WWIII Return of the Ruskie

[Athens]

Yeah, I'm with you on this government, but the UK were flying literally all -- that's right all our anti-tank handheld missiles to Ukraine when Europe were dithering, to the extent we needed to fly around Germany to deliver them. I'm sure this was down to better strategic thinkers than Boris, I must say, but he assuredly had to OK it.

I suppose there are two reasons behind this 1) I believe the anti-tank missiles are made in Belfast of all places and 2) It'll be a while before there are any enemy tanks on British soil whereas our muckers on the continent probably aren't so confident...

 

[Alan Hardaker]

If you read that info.it's a pity your previous post ignored it. Faced with a choice of believing you or an experienced journalist reporting on the spot, thanks but I'm sticking with her. Your last sentence.is pretty rich coming from someone who continually repeats himself.

The only point I made that seemed to narrrk posters was about Uncle Joe. After that I was only defending that point. If others disagree, so what. The whole fecking thing is a tragedy for the innocent Ukrainians.

I suppose there is mistrust within these Slavic countries. The Holodomor starvation of Ukrainian people by Stalin would not be forgotten. Invasions, ethnic cleaning, wars, the history of Europe is one of conflict. Had Germany left Russia alone they could've emerged from WW11 in triumph. Yugoslavia was split by conflict and the hatred in that area has not really abated.

We went to war in aid of Poland but at the end of the war Poland was not free. And will Russia gain anything from this , nobody really wins, people just die.

 

[Alan Hardaker]

The pointless remark is literally the culmination of your previous posts!?

Boris has I suppose similarly done what he's able to do, provided weapons, sanctions where possible (albeit a little slow to do so), met with other leaders and talked about it, clapped loudly. taken in refugees, though again super slowly and a bit rubbish.

Again you say pointless but fail to clarify. So it's actually pointless saying something is pointless without actually pointing out what is actually pointless...or something like that.

 

[Atlas]

Again you say pointless but fail to clarify. So it's actually pointless saying something is pointless without actually pointing out what is actually pointless...or something like that.

Read the thread back and look at where the pointless comment started.

 

[doctor_mac]

I suppose there are two reasons behind this 1) I believe the anti-tank missiles are made in Belfast of all places and 2) It'll be a while before there are any enemy tanks on British soil whereas our muckers on the continent probably aren't so confident...

Yeah, don't think Putin's tanks will be rolling across Blighty any time soon.

 

[Alan Hardaker]

Propaganda always plays a part. During WW11 all manner of lies were told, people had no way to verify any of the news they were told. Lord HawHaw would broadcast from Germany with a blatant pack of lies.

Now people do have multiple news sources but Russia is trying to hold back the dam of information by blocking all the news outlets. Obviously with so many ways to gather info some of the truth will filter through but the Russia people will be so brainwashed it's hard to know how they actually feel about the conflict.

Russia is putting up smokescreens with all this "withdrawing to the Dombas region and backing off from Kiev". Has to be treated with extreme caution and skepticism. Zelensky is doing that as are the West. Strategist's think Russian forces are getting their second wind so to speak and in the next week or two we could see a renewed bombardment and even more War crimes. If as I suspect Russia is tooling up it could test the resolve of the West to stay on the sidelines.

The threat of a much wider conflict hasn't passed yet.

 

[rurikbird]

Horrible, horrible pictures and testimonies out of Bucha, Kyiv region today. I won’t share them. I’m genuinely shaken.

 

[Holle]

Some Mussolini or Ceaucesu fate would be what that pig Putin deserves.

 

[rurikbird]

Some Mussolini or Ceaucesu fate would be what that pig Putin deserves.

By multiple accounts Putin has been watching the footage of Gaddafi’s gruesome death over and over - he clearly projects this outcome on himself.

 

[Holle]

By multiple accounts Putin has been watching the footage of Gaddafi’s gruesome death over and over - he clearly projects this outcome on himself.

One can only hope.

 

[The Nomad]

Horrible, horrible pictures and testimonies out of Bucha, Kyiv region today. I won’t share them. I’m genuinely shaken.

Yep. It's lower than a snakes belly. The poor sods surrendered. It's war crime after war crime.

 

[Athens]

There's a weird subsection of the Irish left who have been falling for Russian propaganda, basically saying that Ukraine is full of Nazis etc. I wonder what they're going to say about this.

 

[The Nomad]

There's a weird subsection of the Irish left who have been falling for Russian propaganda, basically saying that Ukraine is full of Nazis etc. I wonder what they're going to say about this.

Probably that it's a false flag. That's what Russia will say.

 

[redsar]

Anatoliy Fedoruk, mayor of Bucha, after Russian troops left: “Look how peaceful Bucha looks like after Russia's invasion. Thank God, we're all alive and well. We'll rebuild everything!“



March 30: Russian troops leave Bucha
March 31: Mayor of Bucha announces town liberated, makes no mention of atrocities.
https://ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html
April 1/2: Azov battalion enter Bucha
https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war#scenes-of-desperation-and-death-as-the-russians-retreat-from-suburbs-outside-kyiv
April 3: Ukrainian Defence Minister publishes video of 'Russian' atrocities
https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war#ukraine-accuses-russian-forces-of-executing-civilians-in-the-town-of-bucha

And, there's this video where 'dead people' seem to be moving
[vnsfw][/vnsfw]

Make your own judgement

 

[The Nomad]

Anatoliy Fedoruk, mayor of Bucha, after Russian troops left: “Look how peaceful Bucha looks like after Russia's invasion. Thank God, we're all alive and well. We'll rebuild everything!“



March 30: Russian troops leave Bucha
March 31: Mayor of Bucha announces town liberated, makes no mention of atrocities.
https://ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html
April 1/2: Azov battalion enter Bucha
https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war#scenes-of-desperation-and-death-as-the-russians-retreat-from-suburbs-outside-kyiv
April 3: Ukrainian Defence Minister publishes video of 'Russian' atrocities
https://nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war#ukraine-accuses-russian-forces-of-executing-civilians-in-the-town-of-bucha

And, there's this video where 'dead people' seem to be moving
[vnsfw][/vnsfw]

Make your own judgement

Your link in your NSFW doesn't seem to work. However.. I'm guessing you are referring to this..



Which you will notice is much higher resolution and disproves the 'moving bodies' misinformation.

 

[redsar]

Maybe it was an optical illusion but the timeline doesn't add up

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Your link in your NSFW doesn't seem to work. However.. I'm guessing you are referring to this..



Which you will notice is much higher resolution and disproves the 'moving bodies' misinformation.

Question - you are implying azov butchered their own people ... to do what exactly? Make the world angrier at putin?

Lastly, the mayor came out after a siege and said "we won" ... do you think he could have known immediately the scope of what has happened? It is more likely he came out of hiding, or fighting, and said "we have done a b c" and then started learning of the scope of what his area went through.

Edit ... ok last point ... can you give me an example where an army massacred their own people like you're implying azov did here? I am struggling to work with the logic...
Russians fight cleanly, leave, azov comes in and within a day butcher hundreds of their own and bury them in mass grave and then start releasing the news?

 

[rurikbird]

Not to mention that the Azov militia are kind of busy defending Mariupol… I mean, you guys must know that the word Azov refers to the Azov sea, on which the port city of Mariupol is built, right? They are a local Mariupol militia. Only a brainwashed imbecile will believe that they have power to magically escape total encirclement to appear anywhere in the country to conveniently perpetrate atrocities against their own people in the areas occupied by the Russians.

 

[The Nomad]

Maybe it was an optical illusion but the timeline doesn't add up

I'm not going to sit here and debunk all your points.

However.. on the twitter link I posted.

The same street, the same bodies.. the same positions.. were filmed on April 1st on a different camera.

And as Rurik said, Azov are from the east of Ukraine and are engaged in Mariupol.

I'm not saying Ukraine aren't guilty of propaganda. They are.. and they are winning that war. But the massacre of Bucha to me appears to be 100% real.

 

[Woland]

Redsar is a well established dickbrain trumptard. Don't waste your time.

 

[The Nomad]

I've read an interesting point regarding the blaming of Azov.

A few experts are expecting the fallout of Mariupol to be much much worse than Bucha.

Therefore, it makes sense for the Russian machine to get in there early with the 'look what they did! They did it in Bucha too!' Excuses.

 

[Woland]

It's amazing how these anti vax pro trump dickwands have moved on to full on support for Putin. They think we're brainwashed. It's sad.

 

[Woland]

Not to mention that the Azov militia are kind of busy defending Mariupol… I mean, you guys must know that the word Azov refers to the Azov sea, on which the port city of Mariupol is built, right? They are a local Mariupol militia. Only a brainwashed imbecile will believe that they have power to magically escape total encirclement to appear anywhere in the country to conveniently perpetrate atrocities against their own people in the areas occupied by the Russians.

I dunno what your links with andriy are like at the minute but he seems to be living his best life. I sent him 666 dollars last week because it seemed to make sense.

 

[mark1975]

Jeez Alan, is Biden your grandad or something? Look, the U.S. have acted pretty well, but how much of that we may attribute to the shuffling man nappy, I'm not entirely sure, whenever he appears to say something really daft every time he's called upon to speak.

Quite. Strategically this is exactly what NATO would have pre-planned, should this invasion happen and given it's been threatened for years, you'd have to assume that the planning was already there. There's no way that NATO would plan to engage in conflict (though I don't doubt they are prepared for it). So how much of that is down to Biden and Johnson, or down to the strategic advice coming from Nato and the armed forces?

The general line from everyone coming down on Russia is to hit them in the pocket, it's not like Biden has led the way on this, he was initially banging on about men on the ground blah blah, until he realised that he was dealing with a guy who's his ten years his junior and just as mental.

 

[Athens]

Question - you are implying azov butchered their own people ... to do what exactly? Make the world angrier at putin?

Lastly, the mayor came out after a siege and said "we won" ... do you think he could have known immediately the scope of what has happened? It is more likely he came out of hiding, or fighting, and said "we have done a b c" and then started learning of the scope of what his area went through.

Edit ... ok last point ... can you give me an example where an army massacred their own people like you're implying azov did here? I am struggling to work with the logic...
Russians fight cleanly, leave, azov comes in and within a day butcher hundreds of their own and bury them in mass grave and then start releasing the news?

Also, as has been seen in other places, the Russian army have form for this type of thing...

 

[Athens]

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Didn't realize Zelensky was running against Orban too - what can't he do?

 

[Athens]

Didn't realize Zelensky was running against Orban too - what can't he do?

Preparing for all those acting rolls over the years is really paying off.

 

[The Nomad]

Preparing for all those acting rolls over the years is really paying off.

Well, he is the bread maker in the family.

 

[rurikbird]

I dunno what your links with andriy are like at the minute but he seems to be living his best life. I sent him 666 dollars last week because it seemed to make sense.

You’re clearly a Satanist who is funding the neo-Nazis in Ukraine 😉

I keep in touch with Andriy on Facebook. Dynamo Kyiv’s current owner-president Surkis shamefully ran away with his adult sons and millions in cash across the border to Hungary, so I told Andriy after the war is over, he will have a new big job on his hands 🙂