Is that why you left Larne? You were hounded out because you're a cat person?
WWIII Return of the Ruskie
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Yeah… no pussy in Larne… just dogs.
I don’t think so. China is thinking much more long-term; they don’t need to make abrupt moves that risk losing everything in a global game of Go they are largely winning. They will take advantage of Russia’s foolishness and gobble up their natural resources.
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So Russia has decided to recognise Eastern Ukraine as a seperate state.
Playbook 101 - now the tanks will roll in to protect their sovereignty against Ukrainian forces.
Its not an invasion. Honest guv.
Ukraine fights back, and Kyiv will be targeted.
So either a land grab and Ukraine let's it happen, or full blown war next.
Playbook 101 - now the tanks will roll in to protect their sovereignty against Ukrainian forces.
Its not an invasion. Honest guv.
Ukraine fights back, and Kyiv will be targeted.
So either a land grab and Ukraine let's it happen, or full blown war next.
We've seen this play before. He wants the old band back together.
Oh, I know he wants that, but that is not doable, so he plots and ploys with what he can get away with.
But NATO/The west will be throwing Ukraine under the bus.
No way they wage war with Russia over Ukraine.
This is much more important than the incoherent ahistorical ramblings of Putin today. Russia will not be able to endure serious economic sanctions without China's support, so they are desperately trying to create an impression of an "unbreakable alliance" between Xi and Pu, which would enormously strengthen their hand in negotiations. Unfortunately for Putin, China has no reason to burn bridges with the West at this point, certainly not to help Russia resolve its territorial ambitions and historical grievances, and they have been making it pretty clear. In a long term view, they would much rather pick off bits of Russian territory or traditional spheres of influence once Russia is weakened from sanctions or embroiled in a civil war or a political crisis. No need to fight to the death against a lion when you can feast on a huge rotting bear carcass nearby.
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All depends on whether Putin wants to recognise the whole of the Donbas region or not.
The mad fucker probably thinks it does and wants a full Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts as recognised by the Ukrainian government.
Yes, most of the analysis I'm reading generally shares this perspective. Putin has miscalculated in raising the stakes, united the world against him and now made a self-defeating move, which removes the ambiguity that persisted since the 2014 invasion of Donbas and made Russia and himself personally responsible for everything that happens there. This was a real-life Bond villain speech and those usually don't end well.
There is still danger of a further escalation in the Eastern part of Ukraine, since they intentionally didn't make clear whether the new "republics" are recognized within the current borders or the Ukrainian administrative borders, which are twice as large and where a lot of Ukrainian army is currently located. A lot will depend on the size of the sanction package announced tomorrow and the reaction of China.
It depends what kind of retaliation Putin takes to the sanctions being put on Russia. There's no real financial offensive that's viable, so it'll be some form of dirty tactics. I can only see this being a tit-for-tat escalation.
The problem with the US is they will go in all guns blazing with sanctions and make negotiation all the more impossible, which is why I'm really sorry that the UK have taken the lead over sanctions, because whatever we hit them with, you can be sure the US will want to trump that.
Putin isn't going to back down, if he's showing an unhealthy nostalgia and bitterness over the breakdown of the USSR, he's not going to allow anything to be resolved without years of underhanded and probably anonymous responses to key figures. If he can't hit back financially, he'll do what Russia have always done.
A lot depends on China and Germany now, weighing up where their loyalties lie moving forward. Germany have a lot to lose if they side with Russia, given the historical connotations and the relationships they have built with the west over the last 70 years.
Putin isn't going to back down, if he's showing an unhealthy nostalgia and bitterness over the breakdown of the USSR, he's not going to allow anything to be resolved without years of underhanded and probably anonymous responses to key figures. If he can't hit back financially, he'll do what Russia have always done.
A lot depends on China and Germany now, weighing up where their loyalties lie moving forward. Germany have a lot to lose if they side with Russia, given the historical connotations and the relationships they have built with the west over the last 70 years.
It's the backwards N's that grate me. Why? Just why?
China's reaction was surprising alright.
Reckon it is a bit dependent on the audience- they want to keep it cool with the west, and not push Putin too far away.
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