World Cup Qualifiers - Tuesday October 15th
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Good summary (except perhaps for the fact that Cole gives a side plenty of attacking edge too) and one which IMO adds up to the fact that Cole is still the no.1 choice. Dead ball kicks are not (or shouldn't be) the main reason for selecting one fullback over another. In my book they should only come into the equation if the players concerned are equal in other respects, and these two aren't - Cole is the better defender by some distance.
Quite, he's been excellent and gives more balance to the side and a better delivery. I've never really got the Cole love at International level, like a few of his team mates, he's been overrated.
I agree. Never got the cole love in. He shouldn't even go to the works cup. Take Baines and shaw. When was the last time cole Got an assist or goal. Times have changed
Sorry but that is just insane. Both are the senior players are great FBs and Shaw is not even on the same page.
Defending : Cole 9 Baines 7
Passing : Cole 8 Baines 7
Attacking : Cole 7 Baines 9
Crossing : Cole 7 Baines 9
Matches in which we expect to defend more : Cole. Matches in which we exoect to do the majority of the attacking : Baines.
We are not going to win this World Cup but could have great chance in next Euros.
I would use Brazil to bed in youngsters. Gerrard is the only old school I would take.
I think Baines is a better passer than Cole, too. His left foot is pretty much laser-guided. This is basically an argument about attack versus defence. Some will tell you that a defender's first priority is to defend, and to an extent, I would agree. However, I don't agree with Judge's assertion that attacking ability only comes into play if they are equal at defending. Cole is better in that respect, but Baines is also very good.
However, Baines's attacking contribution cannot be underestimated. He can create several goal-scoring opportunities a game with that left foot. He puts it right in the danger area every time, with enough pace to take the goalkeeper out of the equation. It's a massive weapon, and cannot be ignored simply because Cole his slightly more solid at the back. I think on balance, Baines brings more to the team.
And what nobody has mentioned thus far is FORM. Baines is on fire at the moment, and combined with the above, simply has to play as far as I'm concerned.
However, Baines's attacking contribution cannot be underestimated. He can create several goal-scoring opportunities a game with that left foot. He puts it right in the danger area every time, with enough pace to take the goalkeeper out of the equation. It's a massive weapon, and cannot be ignored simply because Cole his slightly more solid at the back. I think on balance, Baines brings more to the team.
And what nobody has mentioned thus far is FORM. Baines is on fire at the moment, and combined with the above, simply has to play as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not going to argue the toss over defenders that score more being majorly important. It's good to get goals from all over, but the most important thing is he brings more to the table, gives us good balance and is a real set piece option. Most importantly though, he's consistent and doesn't go missing.
Utd must be gutted they bought hair bear and not Baines.
Just looked into their respective defensive stats for the season so far:
Cole has completed 10 of 13 tackles this season, with a 76.9 % success rate.
Baines has completed 18 of 21 tackles this season, with an 85.7% success rate.
Cole has been dribbled past 6 times.
Baines has been dribbled past 3 times.
Incidentally, both have pass completion rates of 89%.
I can't find stats for heading, but on past form (and size), you'd have to assume that Cole edges that one. Even so, I think without question the weight of evidence suggests that Baines should be starting ahead of Cole at the moment.
Cole has completed 10 of 13 tackles this season, with a 76.9 % success rate.
Baines has completed 18 of 21 tackles this season, with an 85.7% success rate.
Cole has been dribbled past 6 times.
Baines has been dribbled past 3 times.
Incidentally, both have pass completion rates of 89%.
I can't find stats for heading, but on past form (and size), you'd have to assume that Cole edges that one. Even so, I think without question the weight of evidence suggests that Baines should be starting ahead of Cole at the moment.
Those stats are interesting indeed. Fair point.
Yeah, because a load of Liverpool supporters are always going to go for the kopite - who plays for Everton.
Don't be ridiculous.
You mean, your opinion is.
Not that that's surprising, given he plays for a cunt of a club and is in fact, a cunt. As opposed to a boring old straight forward, no nonsense player who looks less flashy but is productive and direct, but what do we all know, we're just scousers supporting one of our own, who plays for Everton.
The irony of a Norway-hating Swede calling us out for being a bit too patriotic about our birthplace.
Last I checked Norway was a country?
Oh yeah the Rickie Lambert posts here has nothing to do with him being Scouse?
Well his dad is apparently a lifelong supporter, he was in Hillsborough during that tragic event.
Point is, comparing Cole and Baines here is like comparing Gerrard and Lampard in a Chavski forum to a lesser degree.
Even though Baines is an Everton player, he doesn't come off as an Everton fanatic imo.
While Mark, who always have to take everything to the extreme, might disagree, I still think it's a valid point.
Despite me being a "cunt" and liking "cunts".
True that.
There must be some element of bias.
Even if he weren't a scouser, Baines is infinitely more likeable than Cole as a person.
Bloody Hell is that place still going !? Still on the corner of Matthew St and I forget the little lane next to it ?
Cole has probably been the most consistent performer for England over the last five years and is generally one of the few to emerge with any kind of credit from some of our more embarrassing sagas in recent times. I can't understand anyone saying they don't "get it" when it comes to Cole - he's been amongst the top fullbacks in the world for a long time and consistently proven his worth at every level of the game.
Still, he does appear to be on a bit of a downward curve with age and injuries perhaps taking their toll. Baines is a fantastic player in his own right and as has been said, form should be taken into consideration. I don't think he'd let anyone down.
All that being said, they could play Hodgson himself at LB for all I care these days.
Still, he does appear to be on a bit of a downward curve with age and injuries perhaps taking their toll. Baines is a fantastic player in his own right and as has been said, form should be taken into consideration. I don't think he'd let anyone down.
All that being said, they could play Hodgson himself at LB for all I care these days.
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