Wespect for Woy?
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Excellently put.
Would be a funny banner.
As soon as he started with the fans dont like me interviews I lost all respect for him. He was shite, but does he deserve a bad and hostile reception? No, we're better than that. He doesnt deserve anything. When he arrives at the dugout before the game its just for the best that noone says anything at all. Complete silence and just cheering for Kenny instead.
Contrary to the media descriptions I think he's a horrible man with a shite smug attitude. He was hated over here for his behaviour.
Contrary to the media descriptions I think he's a horrible man with a shite smug attitude. He was hated over here for his behaviour.
It was his self centred nature which meant he didnt fit in the first place.... that quote illustrates it nicely... he thought that he had earned his shot at Liverpool BEFORE he actually got in post, he failed to realise he needed to earn it while he was actually in the post. It wasnt about him, if he had spotted that then maybe we might have cut him a bit more slack.
Fuckin terrible post.
Wouldn't disagree with that as far as it goes, but I'd add that the media chorus of "The fans never gave him a chance" was (and remains, because one or two of them are still peddling it) utter bullsh!t. Most of us, whatever our initial views on the appointment, were prepared to wait and see what he'd make of it once the appointment was actually made. Relegation zone status, losing to teams like Northampton feckin Town and increasingly bizarre statements and behaviour were what cooked Hodgson's goose, and deservedly so.
I don't think that's true to be honest, but roy didn't exactly do himself any favours.
I stand by it. The "Dalglish" chants did not start straight away, but waited till after things were very obviously beginning to turn to sh!te.
I don't know about that Neil.
Someone started a "Woy Out" thread before he was even confirmed as manager and he (the poster) was roundly condemned. While most people weren't over enamoured with the appointment they fely he deserved a chance to prove them wrong.
Hodgson was incapable of taking that chance though it was extraordinary circumstances that he was expected to try
Someone started a "Woy Out" thread before he was even confirmed as manager and he (the poster) was roundly condemned. While most people weren't over enamoured with the appointment they fely he deserved a chance to prove them wrong.
Hodgson was incapable of taking that chance though it was extraordinary circumstances that he was expected to try
I was talking about on the boards rather than at the matches.
Hodgson's big mistake was taking the job. The squad was in a bad place at the time, mainly due to the damage done by Benitez in his last season. We had lost Benayoun and Mascherano - the latter had been mainly holding things together at the end of the previous season. In addition, the fixture list wasn't kind to Roy with some tough matches at the start of the season when he needed time to sort things out.
Hodgson is a good manager. I am not expecting him to encounter any hostility on Sunday. It's not the Liverpool way. The fans at Anfield don't tend to boo ex-players or managers the way they do at most other grounds. Indeed, they often applaud them. 🙂
Hodgson is a good manager. I am not expecting him to encounter any hostility on Sunday. It's not the Liverpool way. The fans at Anfield don't tend to boo ex-players or managers the way they do at most other grounds. Indeed, they often applaud them. 🙂
I was talking about both.
from my remembering of the appointment, it was at best 50/50 from the very start and only got worse of time. from I own point of view I never wanted him so didn't feel obligated to support him as he was obviously not the guy for the job and only few weeks into the job he confirmed my worst fears.
almost nothing to do with what was coming out of his mouth, who gives a fuck about that, really? it is what he was doing on the pitch. in all my time of supporting liverpool, going all the way back to roy (evans) I've never wanted a manager sacked, until hodgeson.
almost nothing to do with what was coming out of his mouth, who gives a fuck about that, really? it is what he was doing on the pitch. in all my time of supporting liverpool, going all the way back to roy (evans) I've never wanted a manager sacked, until hodgeson.
Agree with your first sentence but for what I suspect are reasons rather different from yours. Hodgson shouldn't have gone for the job because it was always going to be too big for him, even if the situation had been more favourable. I don't agree with your implication that he was mainly undone by circumstances. They certainly didn't help, but neither did his inability to cope at top level, which he'd already shown at Blackburn when they had won a title. He is a good manager, but at clubs like Fulham and West Brom.
All that said, I agree with your second para.and hope it's borne out in practice tomorrow.
Wouldn't disagree, but the point I'm making is that that's not the same as "never gave him a chance", which is what the media try to claim.
kenny was the perfect choice at the time, he was already at the club, knew the place inside out and would have had no problem with a short term contract and stepping aside when the new owners were secured. giving roy a contract longer than a year when the club was in the process of changing hands was fucking idiocy. why should the new owners be obligated to keep him?
If Roy Hodgson walks out at Anfield to salute the crowd, we'll all find out then what the reaction will be.
Personally I wouldn't react at all.
We've all moved on, he to do his new job, us to support.
Personally I wouldn't react at all.
We've all moved on, he to do his new job, us to support.
okay, 'some' fans gave him a chance. it's a results game and respect needs to be earnt not given.
I can put my hand on my heart and say if roy had shown a style of play that looks that a few years down the line would pay dividens then I would have had more patience but when our saw our defensive shape and how the attacking players were transformed into carthorses I wanted him out before he could do more damage. cuntchesky bought with two of our kids going the other way really does sums him up as a manager, short term vision.
West Brom manager Roy Hodgson returns to Liverpool with point to prove
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Fri 20 Apr 2012 22.29 BST
History is ripe for revision in football and has been tinkered with in Roy Hodgson's analysis of where it went wrong for him at Liverpool. "It is difficult to compete with icons," he has said in several appraisals of his 191 days in charge. But it was not the spectre of Kenny Dalglish that ended the Anfield reign of a man being touted as an alternative to Harry Redknapp for the England manager's job.
Hodgson returns to Liverpool on Sunday for the first time since his dismissal and, in fairness to a man who took his leave with dignity last January, the argument that he was undermined once Dalglish applied to succeed Rafael Benítez is not entirely without foundation. The availability of a club legend able to unite a club tearing itself apart when Hodgson arrived from Fulham in July 2010, however, over-simplifies the speed of his Anfield descent.
If there was astonishment at the then managing director Christian Purslow's decision to replace Benítez with a manager possessing a steady yet unspectacular CV, it was balanced by the support Hodgson's candidacy received from some Liverpool players and sections of the media. Every ounce of hostility that summer was reserved for Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The calls for Dalglish did not commence until Blackpool beat Liverpool at Anfield in Hodgson's 14th game in charge.
Hodgson was not helped by a transfer budget that pales in comparison with what Dalglish received from Fenway Sports Group and increased only when Javier Mascherano got his wish to join Barcelona as the deadline approached. In came Raul Meireles, mainly played out of position until Dalglish took over, Joe Cole, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, Brad Jones and Milan Jovanovic, the latter a Benítez signing. Only Jones remains available for a reunion on Sunday. Damien Comolli, recently sacked as Liverpool's director of football, was at least accomplished at shifting deadwood.
The veteran's resistance to criticism was wafer-thin, a surprise after two stints at Internazionale. He rounded on Liverpool fans and asked where the "famous Anfield support" had gone after a home defeat by Wolverhampton Wanderers. His downbeat public pronouncements may have reflected turmoil at Liverpool but did nothing to assuage the aspirations of a demanding support. Likewise the friendship with Sir Alex Ferguson, whom Hodgson refused to take to task after he had labelled Fernando Torres a cheat and whom he listed as one of the all-time managerial greats. There was no mention of Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley.
But it was not Ferguson, Dalglish, divisive owners, Poulsen, a media agenda or small-time comments that did for Hodgson. No, it was the worst football witnessed at Anfield in half a century, a Carling Cup third-round exit at home to Northampton Town and a return of seven wins in 20 league games that left the club four points above the relegation zone when his reign was brought to an end. The style was encapsulated one afternoon when Daniel Agger tried to play his way out of defence. "Just fucking launch it!" came the rebuke from the technical area.
The West Bromwich Albion manager admitted on Friday that the Dalglish factor was not the sole cause of his demise. "Whenever you go to a club and there is an icon in the background who is a candidate for the job it's not easy," he said. "But I didn't have any fears. People gave me the chance and unfortunately what caused my downfall was a lack of results more than anything else."
Dalglish, then club ambassador and face in the directors' box as Hodgson toiled, said: "It was a difficult time for Liverpool football club, the same as what the league run has been recently. We were not winning games and, if you're doing that, it will always be a more difficult time at any club. I have the utmost respect for Roy as a person, a football coach and a manager. He always conducted himself in a dignified manner, we always got on very, very well and that won't change. With Roy coming back here, I'm sure the people will respect the fact he served Liverpool and I'm sure they will give him a warm reception. If you're not winning games, it will always be a difficult thing for everybody so that will be no different to what we have just endured."
Hodgson can justifiably doubt that assessment – Dalglish's status affords him more patience than even a Carling Cup win or FA Cup final appearance brings – and the forecast of the welcome that awaits. "There is no reason to give me a good reception because they didn't like me when I was there," he said.
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Fri 20 Apr 2012 22.29 BST
History is ripe for revision in football and has been tinkered with in Roy Hodgson's analysis of where it went wrong for him at Liverpool. "It is difficult to compete with icons," he has said in several appraisals of his 191 days in charge. But it was not the spectre of Kenny Dalglish that ended the Anfield reign of a man being touted as an alternative to Harry Redknapp for the England manager's job.
Hodgson returns to Liverpool on Sunday for the first time since his dismissal and, in fairness to a man who took his leave with dignity last January, the argument that he was undermined once Dalglish applied to succeed Rafael Benítez is not entirely without foundation. The availability of a club legend able to unite a club tearing itself apart when Hodgson arrived from Fulham in July 2010, however, over-simplifies the speed of his Anfield descent.
If there was astonishment at the then managing director Christian Purslow's decision to replace Benítez with a manager possessing a steady yet unspectacular CV, it was balanced by the support Hodgson's candidacy received from some Liverpool players and sections of the media. Every ounce of hostility that summer was reserved for Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The calls for Dalglish did not commence until Blackpool beat Liverpool at Anfield in Hodgson's 14th game in charge.
Hodgson was not helped by a transfer budget that pales in comparison with what Dalglish received from Fenway Sports Group and increased only when Javier Mascherano got his wish to join Barcelona as the deadline approached. In came Raul Meireles, mainly played out of position until Dalglish took over, Joe Cole, Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky, Brad Jones and Milan Jovanovic, the latter a Benítez signing. Only Jones remains available for a reunion on Sunday. Damien Comolli, recently sacked as Liverpool's director of football, was at least accomplished at shifting deadwood.
The veteran's resistance to criticism was wafer-thin, a surprise after two stints at Internazionale. He rounded on Liverpool fans and asked where the "famous Anfield support" had gone after a home defeat by Wolverhampton Wanderers. His downbeat public pronouncements may have reflected turmoil at Liverpool but did nothing to assuage the aspirations of a demanding support. Likewise the friendship with Sir Alex Ferguson, whom Hodgson refused to take to task after he had labelled Fernando Torres a cheat and whom he listed as one of the all-time managerial greats. There was no mention of Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley.
But it was not Ferguson, Dalglish, divisive owners, Poulsen, a media agenda or small-time comments that did for Hodgson. No, it was the worst football witnessed at Anfield in half a century, a Carling Cup third-round exit at home to Northampton Town and a return of seven wins in 20 league games that left the club four points above the relegation zone when his reign was brought to an end. The style was encapsulated one afternoon when Daniel Agger tried to play his way out of defence. "Just fucking launch it!" came the rebuke from the technical area.
The West Bromwich Albion manager admitted on Friday that the Dalglish factor was not the sole cause of his demise. "Whenever you go to a club and there is an icon in the background who is a candidate for the job it's not easy," he said. "But I didn't have any fears. People gave me the chance and unfortunately what caused my downfall was a lack of results more than anything else."
Dalglish, then club ambassador and face in the directors' box as Hodgson toiled, said: "It was a difficult time for Liverpool football club, the same as what the league run has been recently. We were not winning games and, if you're doing that, it will always be a more difficult time at any club. I have the utmost respect for Roy as a person, a football coach and a manager. He always conducted himself in a dignified manner, we always got on very, very well and that won't change. With Roy coming back here, I'm sure the people will respect the fact he served Liverpool and I'm sure they will give him a warm reception. If you're not winning games, it will always be a difficult thing for everybody so that will be no different to what we have just endured."
Hodgson can justifiably doubt that assessment – Dalglish's status affords him more patience than even a Carling Cup win or FA Cup final appearance brings – and the forecast of the welcome that awaits. "There is no reason to give me a good reception because they didn't like me when I was there," he said.
It's a bit of a mystery to me. Also, if it is not on Sky, why is the kick-off 4.00? In my opinion that is a bit less convenient for spectators than the traditional 3.00.
I agree Jules, I was very upset that Rafa was sacked and was sure that Roy was a backward step but because he was the manager of my club I therefore wanted him to do well. There were a number of Rafa worshippers who possibly were more critical as a default and indeed those who wanted Kenny in also but id suggest that even amongst them the majority would have been fine if Roy was actually GOOD.
Its disengenuous for Roy to say "we didnt like him", we didnt like getting beat by fucking Wolves at home is what we didnt fucking like and as for then being told that it was to be expected in some way....
He was a very very poor match for the post personality wise and skills wise it is that simple, he failed to understand what the club is and what was expected. Even after some of his pathetic post match pronouncements after catastrophically bad performances all i really wanted was for the team to go out a give the next opponent a kicking. He was out of his depth and thats it.... I dont think he is bad person or anything in particular, I dont hate the man in any way,he is too bland to hate, but by the same token he did absolutely NOTHING to earn any respect nor continuing interest from me.
In the same way as he should not have had the job in the first place he should not receive any reception of any description.
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