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Haha. It's a nuanced thread but I know where rurik is going with it.
It's a transfer omnishambles which only we are seemingly capable of.
Lets talk contingency.
We arent getting Keita, we arent getting VVD.
We still need a CF, DM, CM and CB as a minimum.
I dont want us to panic buy and they have to improve us.
Where do we go from here?
Step 1 needs to be a flat out NO on Coutinho leaving.
Then what?
CB options:
DM options:
That would surely be our first port of call.
We arent getting Keita, we arent getting VVD.
We still need a CF, DM, CM and CB as a minimum.
I dont want us to panic buy and they have to improve us.
Where do we go from here?
Step 1 needs to be a flat out NO on Coutinho leaving.
Then what?
CB options:
DM options:
That would surely be our first port of call.
Timo Werner, 21 (RB Leipzig)
Kasper Dolberg, 19 (Ajax)
Kylian Mbappe, 18 (Monaco)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, 27 (Dortmund)
Attacking midfielders/wingers:
Julian Brandt, 20 (Bayer)
Max Meyer, 21 (Schalke)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, 23 (Arsenal)
Christian Pulisic, 18 (Dortmund)
Lucas Moura, 24 (PSG)
Gelson Martins, 22 (Sporting)
Angel Correa, 22 (Atletico Madrid)
Central midfielders:
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic, 22 (Lazio)
Centre-backs:
Kalidou Koulibaly, 25 (Napoli)
Ben Gibson, 24 (Middlesborough)
Mahamadou Dembélé, 18 (PSG)
Stefan de Vrij, 25 (Lazio)
Emanuel Mammana, 21 (Lyon)
The dregs from the who we are into thread.
Id love to sign
Goretzka
Meyer
Koulibaly
Milinkovic-savic
Aubamayang
We could probably get that lot for the near 200m we were 'Ready' to pay for the other two scopers
Kasper Dolberg, 19 (Ajax)
Kylian Mbappe, 18 (Monaco)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, 27 (Dortmund)
Attacking midfielders/wingers:
Julian Brandt, 20 (Bayer)
Max Meyer, 21 (Schalke)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, 23 (Arsenal)
Christian Pulisic, 18 (Dortmund)
Lucas Moura, 24 (PSG)
Gelson Martins, 22 (Sporting)
Angel Correa, 22 (Atletico Madrid)
Central midfielders:
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic, 22 (Lazio)
Centre-backs:
Kalidou Koulibaly, 25 (Napoli)
Ben Gibson, 24 (Middlesborough)
Mahamadou Dembélé, 18 (PSG)
Stefan de Vrij, 25 (Lazio)
Emanuel Mammana, 21 (Lyon)
The dregs from the who we are into thread.
Id love to sign
Goretzka
Meyer
Koulibaly
Milinkovic-savic
Aubamayang
We could probably get that lot for the near 200m we were 'Ready' to pay for the other two scopers
What's happening with the ox? Last I heard he was negotiating with Chelsea.
Remember when Klopp said most of our business was done at the end of the season? Bahahahahaha
Remember when Klopp said most of our business was done at the end of the season? Bahahahahaha
I think thats the worst part.
Because either the board lied point blank to Klopp or he lied point blank to us.
May:We have all but finalised our business.
August:Ermmmm fuck....
He was probably telling the truth. Salah was well on the way, VVD was keen, and we'd obviously heard encouraging noises from Keita's camp.
It's all a bit fucked up now and we can only hope they have a plan B.
I'm just waiting for someone here to say, "you know what, it's a good thing that we didn't get Keita or VVD we don't need them, our squad is actually quite good" and then proceeds to list players and laughable expectations.
I'd be happy if we were a bit like Spurs and said fuck this, we ain't buying as long as the market is looking like it is.
I'd be happy if we were a bit like Spurs and said fuck this, we ain't buying as long as the market is looking like it is.
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When's Can leaving, Modo?
It will be Hansern or Frogfish.
I'll check with my German friends, it'll be done soon.
Yeah Hansern is my bet.
Ok, Modo.
You're stealing my lines
You think we'll get them at today's prices? No chance. Football players these days are almost as expensive as a bevvy in London.
I'd far rather my more positive view of our club than the negative head banging, the world is falling, I've seen from you over the past few days !
However I've said all along we need reinforcements and upgrades, that said of course we were top at Xmas last season with this squad and playing superb attacking football .... but of course everyone just puts that aside as we all know it's new transfers that make or breaks team !
Yep I just saw that Monaco bought Tielemans from Anderlecht for like £23 million.
If we were the ones calling I have a feeling it would have been doubled.
What trophy did we get for that? The top at Christmas challenge?
Continue to take that one eyed stance ignoring all other factors. It suits your current mood.
Im not in a mood. Im zen as fuck.
Its 27 years since we won a title.
But the running......and the Christmas......
No one puts it aside. People know, from league position and having been here before, that with a thin squad and a preference for high intensity football, it's completely unsustainable. Especially now we're in the CL. You seem to put up a defense against anything that's remotely critical of the club, it's the same group of posters time and time again, moaning about how cynical and critical people are - fans who have genuine concerns about the state we're in. Is our defense sorted? Do we have that dynamic, industrious midfielder we're desperately crying out for? Do we have anyone who is fit long enough and a completely reliable source of goals? No to all three.
Alot changes in football, in a short space of time. We went from challenging a couple of seasons ago, to the absolute dregs within months, that's how quickly things can change when you repeatedly show a complete lack of professionalism and ambition. The player links are neither here nor there, it's starting to become as laughable as when Everton put themselves in the running for players they clearly only had a slim chance of getting.
Every summer, we're strongly connected to a couple of top players who seem to be our prime targets, and every time it falls through. It's why players leave us, because they realise that being at a club like ours when nearing their peak, means they'll be carrying the team, because we don't add enough quality around them to suggest we'll be anything other than nearly men, pinning our hopes on every bloody star aligning for us to get a slim shot at a title challenge.
That's where we're at, so please quit with the "negative head banging" jibes, we're a fucking joke with transfers and people have every right to be concerned.
How sad, I thought this was going to be an RPG thread where we could all pretend to be campers, camping. I had this character worked out, Chase Rubble, (an amalgam of my two favourite Paw Patrol characters). I was going to be a supply teacher by day and a venture scout at weekends. Jeeze, the fun we could have had discussing percentages and.... stuff.
Yes a few people here, some of the most vocal, are obviously putting it aside and you can't speak for them so please don't make sweeping generalities of that nature.
So far the squad has been strengthened by 7 players including those who virtually didn't play for us last season due to injury : Salah, Robertson, Solanke, Ings, Grujic, Ejaria and Gomez for the loss of Lucas. I've no doubt we'll make 2-3 more signings to the squad. So in terms of having good to decent players to help us cover early LC and FAC matches we are in good shape. Ditto having backups to cover injuries (barring CB and arguably CM). Of course they are not all top class players and some are youngsters but then, barring City and maybe Chelsea, the same can be said about any squad in the PL. What is indisputable is that we are in a better position than last season in both numbers and quality (slightly).
Obviously that's not true however this lends itself to the parry I've made in the final quote of yours I've answered below.
How convenient of you to leave out mentioning that two of three areas we need to improve upon are those I've stated time and again we need strengthening. As to the striker issue this is as much an availability and tactical question that has the board split so it's obviously not as clear cut as you seem to think it is.
Wasn't signing Klopp a sign of ambition ? Or Mane or Salah ? The market today isn't the market of even last season. It's clearly far more difficult to get deals done with the money washing around the PL, BL and Serie A due to massively increased sponsorship. But ignore that fact if it's your wont. I have my criticisms of FSG too but clearly not at your level. Though scouting and negotiating are major issues not to be confused with ambition.
Absolutely agree.
Who isn't concerned ? If you'd read all of Oncy's posts over the past few days (to single him out as one of a few) you'd know exactly what I mean - the sky isn't falling and we haven't regressed from last season so the excessive negativity from some posters is frankly ridiculous. And many of them were exactly the same last season too, forecasting we'd finish 6th or 7th due to their perceived lack of quality in the team. So I will continue to counter that cup half empty (or totally empty in some cases) stance with a cup half full stance. Skip past my posts if that position upsets you.
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Only the next few weeks will tell if we have quality back up targets for Keita and VVD but if we hear the same old line from the club about other teams not wanting to give up good players and there was nothing we could do then surely whoever negotiates the aquisitions must be asked serious questions.
Three players have come in with Salah the standout player it seems whereas the other two will only be backup initially and even the signing of Salah is in a position where we were already fairly strong. We've also lost some squad players in Lucas ,Stewart and Wisdom as sales. Chirivella and Randall have gone out on loan so as we speak the squad looks weaker to me and not stronger. That's before the likely sales or Loans of Sakho,Karius or Ward,Gomez,Moreno,Flanagan,Kent and Ojo.
This is a squad that barely coped with domestic competitions last season and we are expected to manage Champions League as well this season. With our style of play and the intensity Klopp likes to play with fatigue and injuries will surely follow so by Christmas we might be back where we were last season relying on kids in Cup competitions and the inevitable humbling by lower league teams again.
We made the mistake of not recruiting last January and it arguably nearly cost us Champions League qualification (That's assuming we will qualify) so lets not compound that mistake by not getting either players in to improve the first team or players who can bolster the squad.
It would be remarkably arrogant if we thought we could get all our first choice transfer done this summer without having an idea who we'd go for if the deals didn't happen. Even Chelsea and Man utd haven't got the players they started out wanting (Lukaku and Morata) and they have more money to spend than we do and will almost certainly pay higher wages. Notice how quickly Chelsea signed Morata after losing out on Lukaku, I doubt we'll be so quick to react in our dealings.
I really don't want to hear how Klopp is perfectly happy with the squad because if he was we wouldn't have gone after Keita and VVD.
Three players have come in with Salah the standout player it seems whereas the other two will only be backup initially and even the signing of Salah is in a position where we were already fairly strong. We've also lost some squad players in Lucas ,Stewart and Wisdom as sales. Chirivella and Randall have gone out on loan so as we speak the squad looks weaker to me and not stronger. That's before the likely sales or Loans of Sakho,Karius or Ward,Gomez,Moreno,Flanagan,Kent and Ojo.
This is a squad that barely coped with domestic competitions last season and we are expected to manage Champions League as well this season. With our style of play and the intensity Klopp likes to play with fatigue and injuries will surely follow so by Christmas we might be back where we were last season relying on kids in Cup competitions and the inevitable humbling by lower league teams again.
We made the mistake of not recruiting last January and it arguably nearly cost us Champions League qualification (That's assuming we will qualify) so lets not compound that mistake by not getting either players in to improve the first team or players who can bolster the squad.
It would be remarkably arrogant if we thought we could get all our first choice transfer done this summer without having an idea who we'd go for if the deals didn't happen. Even Chelsea and Man utd haven't got the players they started out wanting (Lukaku and Morata) and they have more money to spend than we do and will almost certainly pay higher wages. Notice how quickly Chelsea signed Morata after losing out on Lukaku, I doubt we'll be so quick to react in our dealings.
I really don't want to hear how Klopp is perfectly happy with the squad because if he was we wouldn't have gone after Keita and VVD.
I just want to pick up this point
Salah is the only one out of those players who you could even remotely argue should improve us, the rest are largely unproved. 3 are kids, 1 was the full back from a relegated side and ings hasn't kicked a ball in anger in 2 years .
That's not a positive when there's no guarantee Salah will even start most games, or if he does we lose another player who was in the top scorers at Christmas camp.
And you say, that our squad depth isn't as good as city or Chelsea...well...that's the teams were meant to be competing with and this season we actually have the money to try and compete with them....but we've shot ourselves in the foot comfortably over van dijk,and willfully negligent by persisting with keita
Now teams know we have 150m to spunk and are relatively desperate. Hello 40m on average as fuck players .
This is why people are being negative, because the club is either purposefully fucking up, or it's gross incompetence
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