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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967327#msg967327 date=1256079212]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
*Takes mirror off Rage*
It'll only upset you.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
*Takes mirror off Rage*
It'll only upset you.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967327#msg967327 date=1256079212]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
Rage you're taking it too far.
Fair enough you don't like him but steady on.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
Rage you're taking it too far.
Fair enough you don't like him but steady on.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967327#msg967327 date=1256079212]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
Is that the worst analogy in the history of the Internets?
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.
[/quote]
he's dead to me.
go on, try to defend tonight. he's been awful this season and there is nothing to suggest he'll get any better.
its like someone who's brain dead but with the life support system still on.
[/quote]
Is that the worst analogy in the history of the Internets?
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=36552.msg967326#msg967326 date=1256079185]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote][/quote][/quote]
That is either uncalled for or the worst attempt to quote ever
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote][/quote][/quote]
That is either uncalled for or the worst attempt to quote ever
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=36552.msg967326#msg967326 date=1256079185]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote]
That's pretty uncalled for.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote]
That's pretty uncalled for.
[quote author=refugee link=topic=36552.msg967335#msg967335 date=1256079424]
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=36552.msg967326#msg967326 date=1256079185]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote][/quote][/quote]
That is either uncalled for or the worst attempt to quote ever
[/quote]
;D
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=36552.msg967326#msg967326 date=1256079185]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967319#msg967319 date=1256078871]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36552.msg967314#msg967314 date=1256078790]
'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt
happy birthday cunt
[/quote][/quote][/quote]
That is either uncalled for or the worst attempt to quote ever
[/quote]
;D
Hey userred1? You're an original one aren't you. Gobshite.
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
If we lose on Saturday night....
It will be the best fucking time in the history of world football to belt out "YOU"LL NEVER WALK ALONE" at the end of a game. Our team needs a lift. Our fans are well known to provide it whenever that has been the case. We are not leeds united. We are Liverpool FC......the fans simply will not let bad things happen to us!
come on you red men!!!!!!! let us fucking beast the mancs!!!!!
Edit....how i wish the game was at anfield.
It will be the best fucking time in the history of world football to belt out "YOU"LL NEVER WALK ALONE" at the end of a game. Our team needs a lift. Our fans are well known to provide it whenever that has been the case. We are not leeds united. We are Liverpool FC......the fans simply will not let bad things happen to us!
come on you red men!!!!!!! let us fucking beast the mancs!!!!!
Edit....how i wish the game was at anfield.
it is at anfield.. m8..
Not to worry! We will batter the mancs and kick start our season. Viva Liverpool!
S
Squiggles
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Given how close we came last season, I think Rafa deserves the support of the fans for another season after this.
I've been critical of the decision to give him such a long contract, however for now, and the foreseeable future, I believe our club is better with him at the helm.
If he left us, he'd win big things with big teams, because he's proven himself to be a class manager. Watching that happen would make me sick.
I've been critical of the decision to give him such a long contract, however for now, and the foreseeable future, I believe our club is better with him at the helm.
If he left us, he'd win big things with big teams, because he's proven himself to be a class manager. Watching that happen would make me sick.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967389#msg967389 date=1256086549]
Ha, just had a thought.
'Magine Owen scores the winner for the Mancs at the weekend. W.O.W.
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shudder.
no maybe hes been a clever boy.
In the last minute hes going to pick up the ball run the full length of the pitch, slam the ball into his own net, roundhouse kick Gary Neville in the throat, give fergie the finger and then throw himself into the Kop. Hoorah!
Ha, just had a thought.
'Magine Owen scores the winner for the Mancs at the weekend. W.O.W.
[/quote]
shudder.
no maybe hes been a clever boy.
In the last minute hes going to pick up the ball run the full length of the pitch, slam the ball into his own net, roundhouse kick Gary Neville in the throat, give fergie the finger and then throw himself into the Kop. Hoorah!
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
[/quote]
This is a mini crisis going on, but please stop the rot. No amount of calling for Rafa head will save us.
I blame rafa for these defeats in the players choose to believe in. Hasnt Lucas, Babel, Voronin showed enough of how useless and plays without any sense of FUCKING dignity, urgency? Damn them, you get the fucking salary, you do your fucking job. If not, just sell them, just like how rafa did to biscan, diao, diouf, in my opinion, babel, voronin and lucas are not that much difference from the horrible Senegal twins.
But i am not in the camp believing that we will be better without rafa, for those who call for him to be sacked, have you forgotten who gave us hope until the last match of BPL in May? When was the last time, We, can keep fighting and not drop out of race in January or February?
Have you forgotten who gave us our fifth UCL cup?
Have you forgotten who brought us the Best striker in the world?
We will get better, hopefully, starting from this sunday onwards. I really cannot stand losing to the scums. Viola, fine. Sunderland, fine. Lyon, fine. But please, not a loss to the scums.
Rafa, time to wake up, knock some bloody sense to the players. Bring back the confident, defiant Liverpool, beginning this Sunday.
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
[/quote]
This is a mini crisis going on, but please stop the rot. No amount of calling for Rafa head will save us.
I blame rafa for these defeats in the players choose to believe in. Hasnt Lucas, Babel, Voronin showed enough of how useless and plays without any sense of FUCKING dignity, urgency? Damn them, you get the fucking salary, you do your fucking job. If not, just sell them, just like how rafa did to biscan, diao, diouf, in my opinion, babel, voronin and lucas are not that much difference from the horrible Senegal twins.
But i am not in the camp believing that we will be better without rafa, for those who call for him to be sacked, have you forgotten who gave us hope until the last match of BPL in May? When was the last time, We, can keep fighting and not drop out of race in January or February?
Have you forgotten who gave us our fifth UCL cup?
Have you forgotten who brought us the Best striker in the world?
We will get better, hopefully, starting from this sunday onwards. I really cannot stand losing to the scums. Viola, fine. Sunderland, fine. Lyon, fine. But please, not a loss to the scums.
Rafa, time to wake up, knock some bloody sense to the players. Bring back the confident, defiant Liverpool, beginning this Sunday.
[quote author=aqua.Lai.ni link=topic=36552.msg967405#msg967405 date=1256089568]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
[/quote]
This is a mini crisis going on, but please stop the rot. No amount of calling for Rafa head will save us.
I blame rafa for these defeats in the players choose to believe in. Hasnt Lucas, Babel, Voronin showed enough of how useless and plays without any sense of FUCKING dignity, urgency? Damn them, you get the fucking salary, you do your fucking job. If not, just sell them, just like how rafa did to biscan, diao, diouf, in my opinion, babel, voronin and lucas are not that much difference from the horrible Senegal twins.
But i am not in the camp believing that we will be better without rafa, for those who call for him to be sacked, have you forgotten who gave us hope until the last match of BPL in May? When was the last time, We, can keep fighting and not drop out of race in January or February?
Have you forgotten who gave us our fifth UCL cup?
Have you forgotten who brought us the Best striker in the world?
We will get better, hopefully, starting from this sunday onwards. I really cannot stand losing to the scums. Viola, fine. Sunderland, fine. Lyon, fine. But please, not a loss to the scums.
Rafa, time to wake up, knock some bloody sense to the players. Bring back the confident, defiant Liverpool, beginning this Sunday.
[/quote]
Part of me wants a change, but i suppose all your points are right.
Lets not have short memories and get behind Rafa, even if we loose on sunday he deserves more than that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
[/quote]
This is a mini crisis going on, but please stop the rot. No amount of calling for Rafa head will save us.
I blame rafa for these defeats in the players choose to believe in. Hasnt Lucas, Babel, Voronin showed enough of how useless and plays without any sense of FUCKING dignity, urgency? Damn them, you get the fucking salary, you do your fucking job. If not, just sell them, just like how rafa did to biscan, diao, diouf, in my opinion, babel, voronin and lucas are not that much difference from the horrible Senegal twins.
But i am not in the camp believing that we will be better without rafa, for those who call for him to be sacked, have you forgotten who gave us hope until the last match of BPL in May? When was the last time, We, can keep fighting and not drop out of race in January or February?
Have you forgotten who gave us our fifth UCL cup?
Have you forgotten who brought us the Best striker in the world?
We will get better, hopefully, starting from this sunday onwards. I really cannot stand losing to the scums. Viola, fine. Sunderland, fine. Lyon, fine. But please, not a loss to the scums.
Rafa, time to wake up, knock some bloody sense to the players. Bring back the confident, defiant Liverpool, beginning this Sunday.
[/quote]
Part of me wants a change, but i suppose all your points are right.
Lets not have short memories and get behind Rafa, even if we loose on sunday he deserves more than that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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yes 2 of his best players are out, but the problem he has if he spent his money better he wouldnt have a problem of playing proper replacements. voronin and n'gog are hardly going to make teams shit themselves... and playing lucas in the middle isnt going to make anyone scared either. Only has himself to blame for those players
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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yes 2 of his best players are out, but the problem he has if he spent his money better he wouldnt have a problem of playing proper replacements. voronin and n'gog are hardly going to make teams shit themselves... and playing lucas in the middle isnt going to make anyone scared either. Only has himself to blame for those players
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36552.msg967463#msg967463 date=1256107110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
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You do have a point there. He clearly is by no means a 'shit manager' as some muppets on here believe. No shit manager would have won the CL or FA cup or whatever. He's the one manager in the world I'd like to have when being in the knock-out stages of the CL.
But he do has his shortcomings. And these are mainly in his transfer dealings. This table/lampshade story at Valencia clearly implies that it has been the same there. Some of his decisions regarding transfer dealings still make me cringe. At Valencia they wouldn't give him that degree of control which he wanted to also be in control of all transfer dealings. We already have realised why. But we did give him this degree of control. Now we have to deal with it.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
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You do have a point there. He clearly is by no means a 'shit manager' as some muppets on here believe. No shit manager would have won the CL or FA cup or whatever. He's the one manager in the world I'd like to have when being in the knock-out stages of the CL.
But he do has his shortcomings. And these are mainly in his transfer dealings. This table/lampshade story at Valencia clearly implies that it has been the same there. Some of his decisions regarding transfer dealings still make me cringe. At Valencia they wouldn't give him that degree of control which he wanted to also be in control of all transfer dealings. We already have realised why. But we did give him this degree of control. Now we have to deal with it.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36552.msg967463#msg967463 date=1256107110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
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I think so, yeah. I'm not sure I altogethor agree with your assertion that "the players he's sold seem to be better than the one's he's replaced them with" either. I suppose you could break it down to position by position, player by player, but i can't be arsed and I'm sure you couldn't either. After briefly thinking about it I'd say, he has (for the most part) got one significantly better player in some positions (Torres over Cisse, Kuyt over Pennant, Johnson over Finnan / Arbeloa, Alonso over Murphy, Reina over Dudek) then he's replaced some older players with similarly good ones (Mascherano replacing Hamman, Riera replacing Kewell, Skrtel/Agger to take over from Sami, etc etc). Obviously some positions he hasn't improved upon, but by and large he's done ok. The problem with all of this, and probably where you're coming from is that yes he's added quality, but not quality in depth. After Torres, we've got fuck all, whereas maybe a few years ago we had Cisse, Crouch, Bellamy, Morientes, etc.
As for signing "injured players" well, every manager does. Some get lucky with them, some don't. Ferguson signed Van Nistelrooy when he was fucked, Hargreaves, gambled on Owen, has persevered with the perenially injured Brown, Neville, Scholes, etc. Wenger's bought players with a dodgy injury reputation too; Rosicky, Silvestre, Diaby, etc It happens to most clubs and all Managers, it just gets highlighted with us more because we don't have good enough depth to cover, and because we scrutinise it to a greater degree obviously.
Oh, and have you read David Conn's articles in the Guardian on the Leeds United ownership issue. You really should, very interesting and right up your street.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36552.msg967351#msg967351 date=1256080420]
To me, these threads don't exemplify the pressure Rafa's under, they just highlight the amount of plastic, fly-by-night fans that are out there. There's a reason why a lot of the Forum's better posters are either offline tonight, or not bothering to post. What's the fucking point in getting caught up in this maelstrom? It's just thread after thread of kneejerk, zero objectivity, and short-sighted support.
Rafa's not become a bad manager overnight. He's not all of a sudden 'shit'. He's won La Liga twice, taken a balls team to two Champions League Finals, and finished last season with 86 points and 2 defeats despite having to play the majority of the season without his best striker. He's clearly capable of constructing a side that can go out and win, so to get all uppity after losing some games on the bounce in October doesn't really promote your nous, it just highlights you as a kneejerking fool with no real bigger picture perspective.
He lost his 2 best players to injuries sustained on International duty. 3 if you include Mascherano's fatigue. Does anyone really think we'd have lost those games had Gerrard and Torres been in the side? How's it Rafa's fault if Gerrard sustains an injury against Sweden? Similarly, when a ball canoons in off a beach ball, it'd be natural to suspect that you're not really getting the rub of the green eh? Not a jot of it, "he's lost the dressing room!" Far be it from me to question the shrinks that masquerade on this forum as posters, who am I to question their expert insight when despite Gerrard, Carragher and Torres queuing up to laud Bentiez's skills as a manager, the fucking experts on here know that that's all bullshit, and really "no one in the squad actually likes Rafa!"
As per usual; the louder you shout, the more capitals you put in your thread, the uglier the picture you present - the further from the truth you actually get. Do carry on.
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Is he ?
The Valencia team he succeeded with was largely there before him, so was the team he won the CL with here.
Our problem is that over the past few years the players he's sold seem to be better than the ones he's replaced them with and that's why we have a piss poor squad right now. Add to the fact that he seems to have a penchant for signing injury prone players (Aurelio, Degen, Agger, Aquilani) and it's no surprise that we're struggling.
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I think so, yeah. I'm not sure I altogethor agree with your assertion that "the players he's sold seem to be better than the one's he's replaced them with" either. I suppose you could break it down to position by position, player by player, but i can't be arsed and I'm sure you couldn't either. After briefly thinking about it I'd say, he has (for the most part) got one significantly better player in some positions (Torres over Cisse, Kuyt over Pennant, Johnson over Finnan / Arbeloa, Alonso over Murphy, Reina over Dudek) then he's replaced some older players with similarly good ones (Mascherano replacing Hamman, Riera replacing Kewell, Skrtel/Agger to take over from Sami, etc etc). Obviously some positions he hasn't improved upon, but by and large he's done ok. The problem with all of this, and probably where you're coming from is that yes he's added quality, but not quality in depth. After Torres, we've got fuck all, whereas maybe a few years ago we had Cisse, Crouch, Bellamy, Morientes, etc.
As for signing "injured players" well, every manager does. Some get lucky with them, some don't. Ferguson signed Van Nistelrooy when he was fucked, Hargreaves, gambled on Owen, has persevered with the perenially injured Brown, Neville, Scholes, etc. Wenger's bought players with a dodgy injury reputation too; Rosicky, Silvestre, Diaby, etc It happens to most clubs and all Managers, it just gets highlighted with us more because we don't have good enough depth to cover, and because we scrutinise it to a greater degree obviously.
Oh, and have you read David Conn's articles in the Guardian on the Leeds United ownership issue. You really should, very interesting and right up your street.
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If we lose on Saturday night....
Edit....how i wish the game was at anfield.
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=36552.msg967376#msg967376 date=1256084642]
it is at anfield.. m8..
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It's also on Sunday...
If we lose on Saturday night....
Edit....how i wish the game was at anfield.
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=36552.msg967376#msg967376 date=1256084642]
it is at anfield.. m8..
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It's also on Sunday...
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