We lose at the weekend..

[LadyRed]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967029#msg967029 date=1256073273]

I guess you'd agree that Rafa made some pretty good decisions then last season running Man utd so close in the league.
[/quote]

Yeah Buddha. Five years and he has a Plan A, but as soon as there's a glitch with Plan A, he's all over the place with his bizarre decisions with playing players out of position and curious substitutions. I've said for a long time I don't trust Rafa's decision making.

 

[mark1975]

He won't be gone, Farky made a great point about this earlier in one of the other threads. And Ross covered it straight away.

We can't afford it and I'd love to see how we're gonna sell this shite to another manager.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36552.msg967064#msg967064 date=1256073631]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967046#msg967046 date=1256073417]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36552.msg967026#msg967026 date=1256073254]
How can you say that? Aqualani has never even played for us.
Talk about making hare-brained assumptions.[/quote]
because he's widely regarded as a very good player (as was Alonso). Even if he's not as good as hoped he's only one player in a squad of 25.
I said the squad is likely little changed with the improvement at right back to add to the unknown quantity that is Aquilani.
[/quote]
So we replaced our playmaker with an unknown quantity and failed to clear out some of the dead wood but you think that's ok?


[/quote]

Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes? The main problem I have with the deal is the injury he was carrying.

As for clearing deadwood, is there any guarantee Rafa would have had the money from sales to spend?

I'm not saying Rafa is blameless this season, i just think now (in the middle of a mini-crisis) is not the time to be thinking clearly about his merits. He hasn't suddenly become a bad manager overnight and last seasons league performance has won him some patience from me. We do have Torres and Gerrard out at the moment too.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=jono@home link=topic=36552.msg967082#msg967082 date=1256073734]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967065#msg967065 date=1256073641]
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=36552.msg967058#msg967058 date=1256073563]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967046#msg967046 date=1256073417]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36552.msg967026#msg967026 date=1256073254]
How can you say that? Aqualani has never even played for us.

Talk about making hare-brained assumptions.
[/quote]

because he's widely regarded as a very good player (as was Alonso). Even if he's not as good as hoped he's only one player in a squad of 25.

I said the squad is likely little changed with the improvement at right back to add to the unknown quantity that is Aquilani.


[/quote]

Babel was widely regarded as a very good player..
As was Lucas..
As was Morientes..


[/quote]

As was Torres
As was Masher
As was Benayoun
As was Agger

etc
[/quote]


True... but the point i am trying to make.. is their is no guarantee he will make the grade..

I'm crossing my fingers he does though, I really am.


Dossena is another recent example...
[/quote]

Of course there's no guarantee, but the available evidence suggests he's a decent enough player to improve our current side. Unfortunately it also suggests he may have trouble staying fit.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967101#msg967101 date=1256073948]
Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes?
[/quote]

Alonso: "Rafa. I want to leave."

Rafa: "Why?"

Alonso: "Because you're a cock."

Rafa: "No. You can't go."

Alonso ponders that it's World Cup year.

Alonso: "Ok".

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967090#msg967090 date=1256073820]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967029#msg967029 date=1256073273]

I guess you'd agree that Rafa made some pretty good decisions then last season running Man utd so close in the league.
[/quote]

Yeah Buddha. Five years and he has a Plan A, but as soon as there's a glitch with Plan A, he's all over the place with his bizarre decisions with playing players out of position and curious substitutions. I've said for a long time I don't trust Rafa's decision making.
[/quote]

I don;t think thats fair Neets. Last season he had to cope with Gerrard and Torres hardly making the pitch together (our archetypal plan A). He still oversaw a genuine challenge.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967113#msg967113 date=1256074094]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967101#msg967101 date=1256073948]
Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes?
[/quote]

Alonso: "Rafa. I want to leave."

Rafa: "Why?"

Alonso: "Because you're a cock."

Rafa: "No. You can't go."

Alonso ponders that it's World Cup year.

Alonso: "Ok".


[/quote]

it's not that straightforward though is it Sheik?

 

[Buddha]

Where the fuck is Rafa4pm when you need him?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967122#msg967122 date=1256074186]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967113#msg967113 date=1256074094]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967101#msg967101 date=1256073948]
Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes?
[/quote]

Alonso: "Rafa. I want to leave."

Rafa: "Why?"

Alonso: "Because you're a cock."

Rafa: "No. You can't go."

Alonso ponders that it's World Cup year.

Alonso: "Ok".


[/quote]

it's not that straightforward though is it Sheik?
[/quote]

Sadly, I think it could have been. What would Alonso have done? Sat out a world cup year?

 

[LadyRed]

You forgot the start of that story Sheik, plus you're forgetting that fact that poor little Rafa was blameless in the Alonso situation, because notoriously difficult Alonso who has been such a trouble maker for the past five years at our club was the one on instigated his move and forced it through. There was nothing poor Rafa could do about it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967122#msg967122 date=1256074186]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967113#msg967113 date=1256074094]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967101#msg967101 date=1256073948]
Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes?
[/quote]

Alonso: "Rafa. I want to leave."

Rafa: "Why?"

Alonso: "Because you're a cock."

Rafa: "No. You can't go."

Alonso ponders that it's World Cup year.

Alonso: "Ok".


[/quote]

it's not that straightforward though is it Sheik?
[/quote]

Why not? He was under contract, it is World Cup year so he had to put in good performance and he doesn't come across as the type who would have sulked and played shite to make a point.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967113#msg967113 date=1256074094]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967101#msg967101 date=1256073948]
Gene, who else could we have replaced Alonso with for 20m odd but a player with huge promise and similar attributes?
[/quote]

Alonso: "I want to leave."

G&H: "OK"


[/quote]

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967132#msg967132 date=1256074278]
You forgot the start of that story Sheik, plus you're forgetting that fact that poor little Rafa was blameless in the Alonso situation, because notoriously difficult Alonso who has been such a trouble maker for the past five years at our club was the one on instigated his move and forced it through. There was nothing poor Rafa could do about it.


[/quote]

Bollocks Neets, i'm not saying any of that, simply that theres more to managing unhappy footballers than telling them what to do.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967126#msg967126 date=1256074211]
Where the fuck is Rafa4pm when you need him?
[/quote]

I think he's been broken.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967144#msg967144 date=1256074432]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967132#msg967132 date=1256074278]
You forgot the start of that story Sheik, plus you're forgetting that fact that poor little Rafa was blameless in the Alonso situation, because notoriously difficult Alonso who has been such a trouble maker for the past five years at our club was the one on instigated his move and forced it through. There was nothing poor Rafa could do about it.


[/quote]

Bollocks Neets, i'm not saying any of that, simply that theres more to managing unhappy footballers than telling them what to do.
[/quote]

"Fucking shut up, stop whining and get on with your job."

Works wonders.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967118#msg967118 date=1256074152]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967090#msg967090 date=1256073820]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967029#msg967029 date=1256073273]

I guess you'd agree that Rafa made some pretty good decisions then last season running Man utd so close in the league.
[/quote]

Yeah Buddha. Five years and he has a Plan A, but as soon as there's a glitch with Plan A, he's all over the place with his bizarre decisions with playing players out of position and curious substitutions. I've said for a long time I don't trust Rafa's decision making.
[/quote]

I don;t think thats fair Neets. Last season he had to cope with Gerrard and Torres hardly making the pitch together (our archetypal plan A). He still oversaw a genuine challenge.
[/quote]

I think it's very fair to say he only has a one dimensional plan. Only difference is last season he had another player that could hold 4231 together even without Gerrard and Torres. Now he doesn't. Again, Rafa's fault.

And I'm sorry, it wasn't a 'genuine challenge', it was a last minute desperate ditch which was always gonna fall short.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967152#msg967152 date=1256074492]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967144#msg967144 date=1256074432]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967132#msg967132 date=1256074278]
You forgot the start of that story Sheik, plus you're forgetting that fact that poor little Rafa was blameless in the Alonso situation, because notoriously difficult Alonso who has been such a trouble maker for the past five years at our club was the one on instigated his move and forced it through. There was nothing poor Rafa could do about it.


[/quote]

Bollocks Neets, i'm not saying any of that, simply that theres more to managing unhappy footballers than telling them what to do.
[/quote]

"Fucking shut up, stop whining and get on with your job."

Works wonders.
[/quote]

ha. I'm off to bed. Let's resume this debate after sundays game (crosses fingers).

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967158#msg967158 date=1256074559]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967118#msg967118 date=1256074152]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967090#msg967090 date=1256073820]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967029#msg967029 date=1256073273]

I guess you'd agree that Rafa made some pretty good decisions then last season running Man utd so close in the league.
[/quote]

Yeah Buddha. Five years and he has a Plan A, but as soon as there's a glitch with Plan A, he's all over the place with his bizarre decisions with playing players out of position and curious substitutions. I've said for a long time I don't trust Rafa's decision making.
[/quote]

I don;t think thats fair Neets. Last season he had to cope with Gerrard and Torres hardly making the pitch together (our archetypal plan A). He still oversaw a genuine challenge.
[/quote]

I think it's very fair to say he only has a one dimensional plan. Only difference is last season he had another player that could hold 4231 together even without Gerrard and Torres. Now he doesn't. Again, Rafa's fault.

And I'm sorry, it wasn't a 'genuine challenge', it was a last minute desperate ditch which was always gonna fall short.
[/quote]

We accumulated 86 points for Gods sake, that's a challenge in my book. I'm off to bed (up at 4). We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36552.msg967147#msg967147 date=1256074456]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967126#msg967126 date=1256074211]
Where the fuck is Rafa4pm when you need him?
[/quote]

I think he's been broken.
[/quote]

I'm just waiting for the hysteria to die down a bit.

 

[rage]

we lose at the weekend and any chance of a title challenge is over.

he won't get sacked for money reasons and he hasn't got the honour or integrity to quit.

that fat inept lucas loving tosspot would probably over complicate tying his shoelaces.

there were two waves of boos from across the stadium tonight. i haven't seen anything like this in a long long time.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967275#msg967275 date=1256077692]
we lose at the weekend and any chance of a title challenge is over.

he won't get sacked for money reasons and he hasn't got the honour or integrity to quit.

that fat inept lucas loving tosspot would probably over complicate tying his shoelaces.

there were two waves of boos from across the stadium tonight. i haven't seen anything like this in a long long time.

[/quote]

And I bet you fucking love it. Cunt.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36552.msg966843#msg966843 date=1256071426]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36552.msg966840#msg966840 date=1256071388]
Maybe he'll quit if he senses the fans want him out.
[/quote]

You don't believe that.

And have you realised how fucking clueless the majority of our support is ?
[/quote]

In a nutshell.

He won't be gone after Sunday regardless of the result.

 

[rage]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36552.msg967278#msg967278 date=1256077763]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967275#msg967275 date=1256077692]
we lose at the weekend and any chance of a title challenge is over.

he won't get sacked for money reasons and he hasn't got the honour or integrity to quit.

that fat inept lucas loving tosspot would probably over complicate tying his shoelaces.

there were two waves of boos from across the stadium tonight. i haven't seen anything like this in a long long time.

[/quote]

And I bet you fucking love it. Cunt.
[/quote]

tonight cost me over £100 to watch us lose again so i don't see why you think i fuckin love it. how about you, still believe rafa can give it you good?

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36552.msg967152#msg967152 date=1256074492]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36552.msg967144#msg967144 date=1256074432]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36552.msg967132#msg967132 date=1256074278]
You forgot the start of that story Sheik, plus you're forgetting that fact that poor little Rafa was blameless in the Alonso situation, because notoriously difficult Alonso who has been such a trouble maker for the past five years at our club was the one on instigated his move and forced it through. There was nothing poor Rafa could do about it.


[/quote]

Bollocks Neets, i'm not saying any of that, simply that theres more to managing unhappy footballers than telling them what to do.
[/quote]

"Fucking shut up, stop whining and get on with your job."

Works wonders.
[/quote]


it's not as easy as you make out, he was begging to go which creates a bad atmosphere and also had a transfer request

 

[vikas]

We'll beat United, just because we have to.

 

[Irish_Red]

[quote author=jono@home link=topic=36552.msg966855#msg966855 date=1256071547]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=36552.msg966837#msg966837 date=1256071354]
£16 million big ones to make that call Jono.
It ain't happening anytime soon mate.
[/quote]

its a lot of money... but if you dont qualify for the champions league, you will be set to lose that anyway...

if it doesn't turn around soon this season could financially cripple us!

Its just not Rafa your sacking its his whole back room team as well, there is no way we can afford to sack Rafa now.




[/quote]

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967292#msg967292 date=1256078148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36552.msg967278#msg967278 date=1256077763]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967275#msg967275 date=1256077692]
we lose at the weekend and any chance of a title challenge is over.

he won't get sacked for money reasons and he hasn't got the honour or integrity to quit.

that fat inept lucas loving tosspot would probably over complicate tying his shoelaces.

there were two waves of boos from across the stadium tonight. i haven't seen anything like this in a long long time.

[/quote]

And I bet you fucking love it. Cunt.
[/quote]

tonight cost me over £100 to watch us lose again so i don't see why you think i fuckin love it. how about you, still believe rafa can give it you good?
[/quote]

And there it is, no mention of sucking his cock though so the homophobic comments are getting a bit less graphic. Nice one, Macca will be pleased.

 

[userred1]

before a ball has even been kicked OMG

 

[rage]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36552.msg967301#msg967301 date=1256078421]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967292#msg967292 date=1256078148]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36552.msg967278#msg967278 date=1256077763]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36552.msg967275#msg967275 date=1256077692]
we lose at the weekend and any chance of a title challenge is over.

he won't get sacked for money reasons and he hasn't got the honour or integrity to quit.

that fat inept lucas loving tosspot would probably over complicate tying his shoelaces.

there were two waves of boos from across the stadium tonight. i haven't seen anything like this in a long long time.

[/quote]

And I bet you fucking love it. Cunt.
[/quote]

tonight cost me over £100 to watch us lose again so i don't see why you think i fuckin love it. how about you, still believe rafa can give it you good?
[/quote]

And there it is, no mention of sucking his cock though so the homophobic comments are getting a bit less graphic. Nice one, Macca will be pleased.
[/quote]

i'm not homophobic. where have i ever said anything that is homophobic you stupid cunt?

just 'cos your manager is a total waste of space doesn't mean u have to try and turn this into something about me.

 

[Spionkop69]

'your manager'?
Says it all you 2 bob cunt.