Vice Captain
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I think the fact that he has overcome any confidence issues is a positive and is a credit to him as a footballer and a man...Certainly nothing to hold against him.
OK, so he overcame the confidence issues he never had to start with according to Gkmacca.
Let's make him the main man. Put that armband on him and the pressure that comes with it.
I'd love to see if he can handle it.
I'm really surprised why you're so against him getting it. The reasons are absurd. Considering he was one of our most important players last season and his suspension cost us the league (not the benching of a cb), it's ridiculous how you'd fancy Skrtel to get it ahead of him
Hyypia was an awful captain for that exact reason.
No, not especially for a player at that stage at a big club. But even on your terms: you don't know the difference between had and has? OK.
I think its clear he has some confidence issues when he arrived that have been well alluded to on here. Probably down to leaving his home environment, price tag increased expectations etc...his performances were not up to standard and he obviously played with an element of fear. He lost his place in the team and nearly got shipped out. However that was nearly two years ago..... Since then he has matured in to one of the best midfielders in the league and has become one of England's first picks (look at the shock that he is injured for proof of how well he is established). He is a leader on the pitch and the lows he has experienced have probably provided him with more resilience and personal belief than most. Lacking confidence is really not an issue.
Didn't Modo used to hate Skrtel?
His suspension cost us the title? Is that a fact? That's pure speculation, just like me saying the same regarding Agger. You're talking like we've never lost a game with Henderson on the pitch?
There are many factors to why we lost the league. Enough about that.
So why do you want Henderson as your captain? Because he's English? Works hard? Had a good season?
Why not Sturridge then?
You really a wretched little tit, unable to make the most basic argument without shooting yourself in the foot with a harpoon gun. Then you spend endless posts, dragging your bloodied foot up and down the thread, trying to hide the fact that a cat could make a more coherent and compelling case. If you were honest you'd just say you don't like a player and leave it that, but, no, you have to pretend that there's logic behind the hate.
No Modo preferred Agger to Skrtel.
There's only one player I've hated well maybe two or three. Thank God they're all gone now.
We were on a fantastic winning streak, Henderson gets suspended, we drop points, leaving lucas to come in. We lost energy and some inventiveness. That's more evident than agger missing a majority of the season being the reason we didn't win it.
A majority of people would actually agree Henderson is important to our play style, and without him we struggle.
I want Henderson to be captain because he acts like it. He tells players were to go, he's always first there to celebrate. He's got an infectious personality and seems to strive to improve. He rarely has a poor performance and isn't wasteful.
It's not an English thing. I couldn't give a fuck on nationality. Captains are captains. And Henderson has the traits in spades.
Exactly. Now that would be an interesting choice.
Ok, I stand corrected.
But anyway, would your criteria for a vice captain be that they have been a captain before for a team other than the U21s, that they have never had any confidence issues ever, and that they have never supported any team other than Liverpool?
That doesn't leave much. Even Daniel Agger (if he was still here) would fail the Modo test.
Sturridge would be an awful choice.
He's not a leader.
People need to understand that some times ability, doesn't equate to leadership.
We made that mistake taking the armband of sami
Sturridge grew up supporting Arsenal anyway. He wouldn't do at all.
Gotta hand it to Modo. The forum was kinda' half-sleepy today, so he strides up, takes one for the team and wakes it up with a two-footed challenge. I think I should start a new thread to poll if people want Modo to switch his avatar to this one (ditch Huey, Modo - Luiz is where the big hair and mischievous imp look is at):
Gerrard was not a good captain, he's improved but he's still not a good captain.
The captain is meant to be the managers voice and will on the pitch. Gerrard doesn't vocalise during matches.
Rooney is also a hilariously bad choice
I haven't questioned Henderson's importance to the team. I'm questioning his leadership ability. It's not the same thing imo.
The great oddity about Gerrard is that he is a superb club captain but a poor team captain. I doubt there's ever been a Liverpool captain - save maybe for Souness - who's been as impressive as a leader off the pitch, and that's not a role to be sneered at. By all accounts Gerrard is remarkably good at that job. It's just on the pitch that he's never been very effective. He's always been magnificent at being Steven Gerrard, but that's another matter.
Yeah I get that just think Gerrard gets unfairly chastised as a bad captain. You couldn't really get to where he is today without being 'decent' at your job. Surely captains do as much off the pitch as on it?
Agger is a Brondby supporter. It's not a team in the premiership we play at least twice a year. He stayed loyal to us and tattooed YNWA on his fingers. I think he meets the criteria.
Regarding Sturridge, I didn't see any pictures of him in the stands at Wembley supporting Arsenal.
The natural choice would be Lovren. Right age, right attitude and a leader.
That's a good point that often seems to get ignored - the differentiation between the two. People saying Gerrard is a shite captain are right - but that's only where stuff on the pitch is concerned. Off the pitch, newcomers to the club are often effusive over how great he is in helping them settle at the club, in offering them advice, etc. I suppose if the vice captain's role is more of a dressing room role, then that's a good fit for Henderson.
Not sure if anyone's shared this, but this, I like:
- http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/01/jordan-henderson-england-tempo-fear-factor-norway
[article]Jordan Henderson says England must play up tempo to create fear factor
Liverpool midfielder defends Raheem Sterling and sees brighter future as Roy Hodgson’s men prepare to play Norway
Dominic Fifield
The Guardian, Monday 1 September 2014 22.29 BST
Jordan Henderson’s patience snapped after five minutes. He had been listening patiently while his Liverpool club-mate Raheem Sterling, sitting at his side, attempted to straight bat questions over a personal dip in form at the World Cup – from effervescent against Italy in Manaus to peripheral against Uruguay in São Paulo. And just as the teenager seemed to be floundering, in stepped the senior man to assist.
“I didn’t think he had a bad game,” interjected Henderson, drawing the questioner’s gaze and grabbing back the initiative. “I thought he did well: a 19-year-old playing in the World Cup, on the biggest stage. I thought he was our best player in the first game against Italy. And, against Uruguay, when he got the ball he tried to be positive, to take players on and get crosses in. In both games I thought he was outstanding.” There was a spikiness to the response, his attitude almost that of a minder. Though the conversation moved on swiftly thereafter, the exchange had proved revealing.
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