Vargas

[LeTallecWiz]

LIVERPOOL are in negotiations with Fiorentina to try and sign Peruvian midfielder Juan Manuel Vargas.


The Serie A club recently rejected an £8million bid from Bayern Munich for the versatile 27-year-old.
Vargas can play in a number of positions, including left-back and in midfield, but prefers playing on the wing.

In a separate deal, Fiorentina want Liverpool’s 18-year-old Spanish ace Jesus Fernandez Saez on loan — with the view to a permanent deal.

This leads me to two questions ...

1) Why not just go for him last year as we'd have got him for far less than 18 mill?
2) How is Jesus doing for us?

 

[Woland]

Last year we were busy solving the midfield problem with Henderson and Adam.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Last year we were busy solving the midfield problem with Henderson and Adam.

Vargas, if he plays mid, is a winger ... Adam and Henderson clearly aren't ...

 

[Woland]

Oh, well we were solving it with Downing then.

 

[dantes]

He's actually 28, and not very good.

Liverpool could be leading the battle for Fiorentina's Juan Manuel Vargas, according to Calciomercato.
The player is often linked with moves by the Italian press and they say the his agent had all but agreed a deal with Bayern Munich before Liverpool came in at the eleventh hour with a proposal to snatch Vargas away.

Vargas is a 28 year old Peruvian international who plays in the centre of midfield as well as on the wing, he doesn't score a lot of goals but chips in with assists. It's hard to see how he'd be much of an improvement on the Liverpool team, he fails to start all of Fiorentina's games as it is.

Nevertheless, the rumours have been pretty consistant about Liverpool's interest and now Calciomercato give details of an actual proposal. Fioerentina coach Eduardo Macia, who used to work with Rafael Benitez, wants Liverpool to offer Spanish youngster Suso on loan as part of any deal for Vargas.

Suso arrived at Liverpool from Cadiz in 2010 and Macia was part of the reason he ended up at the club in the first place. It wouldn't do Liverpool or the player any harm if he goes out on loan to Italy, especially if they are prepared to give him a decent amount of games.

Bayern Munich had offered €10m plus the loan of one of their youngsters and the same would be expected from Liverpool.

 

[Woland]

Wasn't he dead good that time they dicked us 2-0 over there? Him and Jovetic? Mind you we did have Aurelio in midfield.

 

[dantes]

Wasn't he dead good that time they dicked us 2-0 over there? Him and Jovetic? Mind you we did have Aurelio in midfield.

I'm sure. And this is the reasoning behind the majority of our signings for many years now.

 

[Woland]

Maybe, but I recall Madrid and Arsenal being in for him and you wouldn't normally get that kind of interest if you weren't going to improve a midfield that's as shit as ours.

 

[Fabio]

Think he was boss for 2 seasons, i'm not sure if its carried over to this season

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Woland - hence my comment re: Downing.

Dantes - He was really good for a while ... I guess that the offer for him from Bayern (they're going to be even more loaded next year - Holliet, Shaqiri) was 8 mill should have been a 'warning sign'

 

[dantes]

Well this is from a year ago, before he fucked up this season. Maybe it makes moneyball sense to buy an underperforming turd and attempt to polish it.

The magnificence and inconsistence of Juan Manuel Vargas​

Author of some of the greatest goals, Juan Manuel Vargas has consistently divided opinion. Many have lauded him as one of the greatest talents Peru have ever created whilst others are determined to label him as nothing more than an inconsistent talent who performs depending on his particular mood.​

However, what most agree on is that when the player is indeed ‘in the mood’, he can produce jaw-dropping moments of football that will be spoken about for years – such as that outrageous goal he scored against Boca Juniors during his time with Argentine outfit, Colon. Renowned for his mesmeric handling of the ball, his fine crossing and speed, to truly understand Vargas, you have to understand his past.​

Having lived with his grandmother all his life, Vargas grew up playing football in the streets. Surrounded by apathy and accustomed to living with such little money or support, Vargas devoted his time to football but often came close to quitting altogether. That is until he met Cesar Gonzales, the U-20 Coach renowned for his capability to nurture youth and spot excellent talent. Fiercely believing in Vargas’ talent, the player grew dependent on the support offered by his mentor – a dependency that eventually paved the way for an inconsistent career​

Having experienced so many failures and successes at such a young age, Vargas grew up torn between his ambition to develop his recognised skill and his desire to give it all up – confusion that led to such varied performances throughout his career. His first club quickly realised his temperamental nature and how it affected his game but Vargas continued to develop, refining his skill at Colon where he improved his free-kicks, his ability to maintain possession and his crossing.​

Catania immediately moved for the player and in Sicily, the left-back exploited his physical stature to demonstrate defensive fortitude. But it was his deadly finishing and mobility that attracted Fiorentina and with the Viola we saw the full range of Vargas’s skills.​

Struggling with his positioning, liable to lapses in concentration and easily manipulated, Cesare Prandelli eventually realised the player was too unreliable to be deemed a great defender in a country renowned for its tough defences. However, the Peruvian’s marauding runs forward and penchant to hold on to the ball convinced the then Fiorentina Coach to deploy him further forward, in the role of a classic winger - a role he would excel at greatly.​

Consistently unlocking defences with his impeccable speed, his eye for a pass and precise crossing proved vital in creating goal-scoring opportunities for Fiorentina who relied on his creativity. A season marred by injury, the player still managed four goals and five assists despite only starting 19 matches last season.​

Capable of running the show all by himself as he did against Udinese in May in which he scored a beautiful goal and provided an assist, the match against Juventus earlier in the season demonstrated his ability to contribute to all areas of the pitch. In that game, he carefully marked Milos Krasic to hinder his impact on the game and left Juventus bereft of any creativity.​

However whilst he may be capable of delighting onlookers with his unpredictable skill and change of pace, his weaknesses are a cause for concern for big clubs looking to sign on the winger. Limited in certain aspects as he only possesses one extraordinary foot, the most worrying aspect of Vargas’ game is that the notion of a team appears to elude him having been forced to rely on himself for so long. Without the ball, Vargas offers little at times and his positioning yearns for further guidance – not a positive sign should he end up signing for Juventus. Antonio Conte’s tactics are based on the concept of quick passes, with steady movement of the ball between players whilst Vargas prefers vertical movements, seeking thrills as he dribbles all by himself down the flank before delivering that perfectly co-ordinated cross to the middle.​

An inconsistent genius, Vargas is a gamble but don’t all investments carry some degree of risk?​

 

[OLD_Lewy]

hehe.....theres a club called colon.....hehe......

 

[kingjulian]

I would outright fire the entire bunch of scouting squad, if this is the best they can do...It seems they get paid to watch the games we play.

 

[Hansern]

He's been largely shite this year, on the decline and not what we need.

 

[keniget]

The time to buy him was when we got Dossena. I'm sure we were looking at him then as well.

If we can get him playing for about 8M it'll prove to be a good signing. We don't seem very good at getting the most out of players these days though so it's probably not a good idea.

 

[Roopy]

He hasn't been at his best but that's not entirely his fault.

Fiorentina as a club have been shambolic since the season they beat us in the Champions League.

Vargas was brilliant because he had Gilardino on the end of his crosses ... that combination worked wonders for them ...

Pantaleo Corvino - one of the best scouts in world football - has also been let go ... and a side that he helped build has been dismantled. He brought in the likes of:

Luca Toni, Gilardino, Melo, Kuzmanovic, Vargas, Osvaldo, Mutu .... to add ... Ujfalusi, Zanetti, Frey, Jorgensen ... have all left too without being adequately replaced.

Jovetic has been injured ... & its silly to expect Montolivo & Vargas to carry that side.

 

[Molbystwin]

So 8M on a moody cunt who occasionally turns it on or 20M on Downing.... its a toughy...