Two points that have been on my mind for awhile.
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47427.msg1422377#msg1422377 date=1320530242]
Looking at the up coming league fixtures I fear you'll be defending Kenny a bit more in the next month.
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If Kenny pulls off a miracle and we win the next few games the knee-jerk reactionist will be fawning all over him saying we're gonna win the league and the good times are back.
A little more even-keeled posting rather than the extremes would be welcomed.
Looking at the up coming league fixtures I fear you'll be defending Kenny a bit more in the next month.
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If Kenny pulls off a miracle and we win the next few games the knee-jerk reactionist will be fawning all over him saying we're gonna win the league and the good times are back.
A little more even-keeled posting rather than the extremes would be welcomed.
Will we win our next three league games Red Mullet?
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Will we win our next three league games Red Mullet?
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Why not? We have the ability to create the goals and keep a clean sheet. Just need to put our chances away....
Will we win our next three league games Red Mullet?
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Why not? We have the ability to create the goals and keep a clean sheet. Just need to put our chances away....
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
So does everybody except point 1 as a given at this stage then? I dont see anybody arguing it in this thread
As for Kenny, its too soon to write him off but he is begining to lose his way, he will rightly be judged at the end of the season and sentiment will not be a factor.
When he took over and everything started going well it looked like we had lucked into a great move, now we just seem to go into everygame expecting Suarez to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thats just not good enough. Players should be getting in the team on merit not on the basis of transfer fee paid
If we fail to get 4th this season its probably going to be the Carroll transfer that buries Dalglish as a manager, a club like Liverpool cannot ever hope to compete by spending 35 million on a forward whose sole contribution seems to be distracting opposing defenders
As for Kenny, its too soon to write him off but he is begining to lose his way, he will rightly be judged at the end of the season and sentiment will not be a factor.
When he took over and everything started going well it looked like we had lucked into a great move, now we just seem to go into everygame expecting Suarez to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thats just not good enough. Players should be getting in the team on merit not on the basis of transfer fee paid
If we fail to get 4th this season its probably going to be the Carroll transfer that buries Dalglish as a manager, a club like Liverpool cannot ever hope to compete by spending 35 million on a forward whose sole contribution seems to be distracting opposing defenders
[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=47427.msg1422397#msg1422397 date=1320533636]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
Regarding point no. 1, Damien Comolli told Infosport (French TV) in an interview this Feb that we bought Suarez to play alongside Torres.
Makes one wonder if the Carroll and subsequent Downing transfers were a change forced upon them by cirumstance, to deviate from their original plans (of style of play and targets etc.)
Makes one wonder if the Carroll and subsequent Downing transfers were a change forced upon them by cirumstance, to deviate from their original plans (of style of play and targets etc.)
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422322#msg1422322 date=1320522740]
A new young manager? Like Villas Boas maybe, pulling up all those trees down at the Bridge?
FSG browbeaten by a few Scousers into appointing Kenny? What, like they crumbled when H and G were fighting them tooth and nail over the purchase of the club?
Kenny struggling? What, barely one third of the way into a new season and he's a write-off already?
Listen to yourselves, some of you. FFS.
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Well said JJ
A new young manager? Like Villas Boas maybe, pulling up all those trees down at the Bridge?
FSG browbeaten by a few Scousers into appointing Kenny? What, like they crumbled when H and G were fighting them tooth and nail over the purchase of the club?
Kenny struggling? What, barely one third of the way into a new season and he's a write-off already?
Listen to yourselves, some of you. FFS.
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Well said JJ
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422488#msg1422488 date=1320572787]
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422488#msg1422488 date=1320572787]
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
[/quote]Torres handed in a transfer request on 28th January. Spurs had a 30m bid for carroll rejected on the 15th.
So....
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422488#msg1422488 date=1320572787]
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
[/quote]Torres handed in a transfer request on 28th January. Spurs had a 30m bid for carroll rejected on the 15th.
So....
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[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=47427.msg1422397#msg1422397 date=1320533636]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
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i agree with that quote but that's not the same thing as wanting him out, which i don't either.
[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=47427.msg1422397#msg1422397 date=1320533636]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
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i agree with that quote but that's not the same thing as wanting him out, which i don't either.
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47427.msg1422496#msg1422496 date=1320574271]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422488#msg1422488 date=1320572787]
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
[/quote]Torres handed in a transfer request on 28th January. Spurs had a 30m bid for carroll rejected on the 15th.
So....
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47427.msg1422496#msg1422496 date=1320574271]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422488#msg1422488 date=1320572787]
Certainly as far as Carroll's concerned. I don't imagine for one second that we'd have bought him if Torres hadn't left. Nor do I imagine we'd have spent so much on him if the Torres transfer hadn't taken place so late into the window.
Not so sure about Downing. We'd been crying out for a consistent LM/LW for ages and I'd have thought that might well have been a priority for Kenny.
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Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
Going from memory here but I'm pretty sure Torres told the club he was off on the 18th or 19th of the month. We had 11/12 days to select a target and go after him. Also, we have a network of scouts working all the time for the club so to suggest we *had* to pay £35mil for him due to timing is off the mark JJ.
[/quote]Torres handed in a transfer request on 28th January. Spurs had a 30m bid for carroll rejected on the 15th.
So....
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Hard to fix a misquote on the phone, here is my reply to Oncy
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
How coincidental that Meireles chose to force our hand late on in the transfer window.
Netizens can be quite creative... :-[
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Hard to fix a misquote on the phone, here is my reply to Oncy
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
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He also knew we'd insist on him putting it in writing, because we didn't want to lose him.
Hard to fix a misquote on the phone, here is my reply to Oncy
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
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He also knew we'd insist on him putting it in writing, because we didn't want to lose him.
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47427.msg1422507#msg1422507 date=1320576431]
Hard to fix a misquote on the phone, here is my reply to Oncy
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
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He also knew we'd insist on him putting it in writing, because we didn't want to losehim the PR battle.
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47427.msg1422507#msg1422507 date=1320576431]
Hard to fix a misquote on the phone, here is my reply to Oncy
Yeah, the transfer request came late but that was a last-ditch attempt to ensure the transfer and probably some kind of the contractual agreement meant Torres would lose a few quid by handing it in. He knew he was off much earlier in the month.
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He also knew we'd insist on him putting it in writing, because we didn't want to lose
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Both.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47427.msg1422247#msg1422247 date=1320514245]
i haven't said it on here before cos it's bound to cause a stir, but good for you for making point 2. i've been saying that amongst friends for a while.
as tough as the decision was, and as right as it looked at the time, i still feel that ultimately FSG allowed the fans to make that appointment for them, and that can never be right. they should have stuck with their original intention to appoint a young AVB type manager more suited to working under a DoF.
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During the period of the takeover and post-sacking of Hodgson, I think, we needed a bit more than a football manager and more a unifying force.
Maybe an all new manager would have been premature, we were in trouble in the League and the pressure would have been tremendous for an inexperienced man, don't you think?
That said I have tremendous faith in Dalglish getting it right over time. We do, after all; have owners of just over a year in charge, a new manager with less than a year in charge and a huge turnover of staff in the last few months. I'd expect progress to be choppy.
i haven't said it on here before cos it's bound to cause a stir, but good for you for making point 2. i've been saying that amongst friends for a while.
as tough as the decision was, and as right as it looked at the time, i still feel that ultimately FSG allowed the fans to make that appointment for them, and that can never be right. they should have stuck with their original intention to appoint a young AVB type manager more suited to working under a DoF.
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During the period of the takeover and post-sacking of Hodgson, I think, we needed a bit more than a football manager and more a unifying force.
Maybe an all new manager would have been premature, we were in trouble in the League and the pressure would have been tremendous for an inexperienced man, don't you think?
That said I have tremendous faith in Dalglish getting it right over time. We do, after all; have owners of just over a year in charge, a new manager with less than a year in charge and a huge turnover of staff in the last few months. I'd expect progress to be choppy.
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47427.msg1422247#msg1422247 date=1320514245]
i haven't said it on here before cos it's bound to cause a stir, but good for you for making point 2. i've been saying that amongst friends for a while.
as tough as the decision was, and as right as it looked at the time, i still feel that ultimately FSG allowed the fans to make that appointment for them, and that can never be right. they should have stuck with their original intention to appoint a young AVB type manager more suited to working under a DoF.
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During the period of the takeover and post-sacking of Hodgson, I think, we needed a bit more than a football manager and more a unifying force.
Maybe an all new manager would have been premature, we were in trouble in the League and the pressure would have been tremendous for an inexperienced man, don't you think?
That said I have tremendous faith in Dalglish getting it right over time. We do, after all; have owners of just over a year in charge, a new manager with less than a year in charge and a huge turnover of staff in the last few months. I'd expect progress to be choppy.
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I agree with Jules and this.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47427.msg1422247#msg1422247 date=1320514245]
i haven't said it on here before cos it's bound to cause a stir, but good for you for making point 2. i've been saying that amongst friends for a while.
as tough as the decision was, and as right as it looked at the time, i still feel that ultimately FSG allowed the fans to make that appointment for them, and that can never be right. they should have stuck with their original intention to appoint a young AVB type manager more suited to working under a DoF.
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During the period of the takeover and post-sacking of Hodgson, I think, we needed a bit more than a football manager and more a unifying force.
Maybe an all new manager would have been premature, we were in trouble in the League and the pressure would have been tremendous for an inexperienced man, don't you think?
That said I have tremendous faith in Dalglish getting it right over time. We do, after all; have owners of just over a year in charge, a new manager with less than a year in charge and a huge turnover of staff in the last few months. I'd expect progress to be choppy.
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I agree with Jules and this.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47427.msg1422498#msg1422498 date=1320574994]
We knew Torres was going way before the 28th Oncy.
We were negotiating with Chelsea for two weeks before he went. (according to Torres)
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Is rejecting bids negotiating and saying he's not for sale negotiating?
We knew Torres was going way before the 28th Oncy.
We were negotiating with Chelsea for two weeks before he went. (according to Torres)
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Is rejecting bids negotiating and saying he's not for sale negotiating?
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[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=47427.msg1422397#msg1422397 date=1320533636]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
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I'm afraid you've misinterpreted, old chap. I did say that FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager but I never said, now that he's there, that I want him gone or that I don't support him.
I believe FSG made the wrong decision. Would love to be proved wrong though.
[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=47427.msg1422397#msg1422397 date=1320533636]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47427.msg1422371#msg1422371 date=1320529013]There are certainly some "Kenny Out" contributors to this thread, mate. Take another look at the first few posts in particular.[/quote]
Tell me where I said I want "Kenny Out". I said he's struggling, which he is, and he may have been the wrong appointment.
Not once did I say he should be sacked or that I don't support him. Give it a rest.
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The very first thing you said on the subject was, and I quote, "FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager".
Take your own advice.
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I'm afraid you've misinterpreted, old chap. I did say that FSG shouldn't have installed Kenny as manager but I never said, now that he's there, that I want him gone or that I don't support him.
I believe FSG made the wrong decision. Would love to be proved wrong though.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47427.msg1422498#msg1422498 date=1320574994]
We knew Torres was going way before the 28th Oncy.
We were negotiating with Chelsea for two weeks before he went. (according to Torres)
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Yeh we should believe everything Torres says.
We knew Torres was going way before the 28th Oncy.
We were negotiating with Chelsea for two weeks before he went. (according to Torres)
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Yeh we should believe everything Torres says.
The idea of not getting to see Suarez/Torres still makes me want to cry. Also as much as I love Carroll and think he will come good, I can't help but feel like Ba would have been a wiser purchase and I am sure there are many others that would of been of the similar ilk.
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