They're the same thing in this situation.
Trent, Salah and VVD
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They're the same thing in this situation.
What are the terms? This whole situation is ridiculous.
We're agreed there is a negotiation taking place, right? A negotiation that Salah somewhat transparently continues to suggest is not occuring because he hasn't had a "formal offer."
Let's say they are miles apart, and so there isn't s formal offer... As you say, we've failed to meet the terms. What if the terms are four years, five years? What if they are a pay bump? What if they are a huge signing bonus? You don't need to know what we are talking about to know what we are talking about?
Someone fucked up obviously, as we shouldn't be in this position, though partially it was just bad luck with Klopp leaving. We definitely shouldn't be here with Trent.
If we give Salah whatever he wants, we will have to do the same with one of the others, then we won't be able to buy any big name players for some time due to wages issues, and we will struggle with all subsequent negotiations. You'll get to watch a past it Salah on a bad team, and he will make sure none of it is his fault because he says so.
Getting this wrong will fuck us up for years to come. We are in a very difficult position. Salah is playing dirty knowing that. I'd be more worried hearing he signed for five years than hearing we capitulated to the mob Salah is whipping at this moment.
And it wouldn't matter to you how much?
The club is never going to offer wages so high that it prohibits us signing players for the next few years.
So if I see an announcement that Salah signs, it doesn't really matter to me how much or how long.
Yes, and it's entirely plausible Salah hasn't received an offer yet for that reason, due to his ask.
Could be signs of desperation from Salah. He clearly wants to stay, he has kids in school age who are settled in Liverpool.
The club isn't pushing him out, but the club are also not desperate.
I've changed my mind about Salah when it comes to Saudi, I don't think he wants to go. Yeah the money is good, but Salah is a competitor and he thinks he has several years left in top level football.
Life in Saudi would be almost unbearable for him. As an Arab/Egyptian world class player he'd be hounded at every opportunity and he knows it. He was in Dubai recently for some book fair and it was pandemonium.
The club isn't pushing him out, but the club are also not desperate.
I've changed my mind about Salah when it comes to Saudi, I don't think he wants to go. Yeah the money is good, but Salah is a competitor and he thinks he has several years left in top level football.
Life in Saudi would be almost unbearable for him. As an Arab/Egyptian world class player he'd be hounded at every opportunity and he knows it. He was in Dubai recently for some book fair and it was pandemonium.
Yup.
5 years is too long. 2-3 years as he would be 35 by then.
This summer's transfer window, Premier League purchases of strikers / wingers / goalscoring midfielders:
Solanke £65m
Neto £54m
Felix £45m (yes, I know it was over-priced on the Gallagher side too)
Evanilson £40m
Zirkzee £36.5m
Smith Rowe £34m
Savinho £33.5m
Nketiah £30m
Carvalho £27.5m
Fullkrug £27.5m
Minteh £25m
Liam Delap £20m
The premium on transfer fees for players who score goals is mental. None of those players is anywhere near Salah's level or productivity (or marketability).
Pay the man. It'll save us a fortune. The combined cost of replacing him with a lesser player will be much higher than his wages.
Solanke £65m
Neto £54m
Felix £45m (yes, I know it was over-priced on the Gallagher side too)
Evanilson £40m
Zirkzee £36.5m
Smith Rowe £34m
Savinho £33.5m
Nketiah £30m
Carvalho £27.5m
Fullkrug £27.5m
Minteh £25m
Liam Delap £20m
The premium on transfer fees for players who score goals is mental. None of those players is anywhere near Salah's level or productivity (or marketability).
Pay the man. It'll save us a fortune. The combined cost of replacing him with a lesser player will be much higher than his wages.
It'll get done along with VVD, who knows about Trent.
Either 2 years plus one, or a year plus one on wages will make some people uncomfortable and others will be fine with it. The club are foolish for letting it get to this point, but it's all just game-playing at this point. I agree with Fark in that I've got no sympathy for Salah, or any of them, in all of this. They probably all could be signed up already if were desperate to stay. They will be trying to squeeze the club for all it's got. It's all relative, but I can only break out the tiniest of violins for people getting offered hundreds of thousands a week to kick a ball around.
And in Salah's case, he knows full well he can go to Saudi and be paid a 2 million quid a week until he's 40, so I can't take the 'he's worried about his long-term future shit seriously. Liverpool is his bet at winning trophies and cementing his legacy in Europe. Mo and his family are extremely settled and happy here. He would do well to remember when it's time to compromise.
I would be comfortable with the club paying him what he's on for another 2 years. He's showing he can still be enormously productive even if his rapid pace has declined, plus with a third year either optional or on lower wages. I'd be surprised if the club had assessed the market and found a better value option for such productivity.
Either 2 years plus one, or a year plus one on wages will make some people uncomfortable and others will be fine with it. The club are foolish for letting it get to this point, but it's all just game-playing at this point. I agree with Fark in that I've got no sympathy for Salah, or any of them, in all of this. They probably all could be signed up already if were desperate to stay. They will be trying to squeeze the club for all it's got. It's all relative, but I can only break out the tiniest of violins for people getting offered hundreds of thousands a week to kick a ball around.
And in Salah's case, he knows full well he can go to Saudi and be paid a 2 million quid a week until he's 40, so I can't take the 'he's worried about his long-term future shit seriously. Liverpool is his bet at winning trophies and cementing his legacy in Europe. Mo and his family are extremely settled and happy here. He would do well to remember when it's time to compromise.
I would be comfortable with the club paying him what he's on for another 2 years. He's showing he can still be enormously productive even if his rapid pace has declined, plus with a third year either optional or on lower wages. I'd be surprised if the club had assessed the market and found a better value option for such productivity.
Not that I’m disagreeing - but wouldn’t that just be kicking the can down the road to a point where a replacement costs even more?
It gives us more time to find a suitable replacement, and keeps a rival club from strengthening by signing our most effective attacker. This summer, with no Salah, we'd be over a barrel and could end up paying over the odds for an inferior player * COUGH * Kudus * COUGH. We keep Salah, we keep his quality and output, and we buy ourselves more time to find a suitable (value and quality) replacement - by no means certain we can do that, but it'd be a miracle if we managed to do it this summer.
With the Edwards/Hughes pairing, I'd like to believe we can start finding players who outperform their transfer fee than another Nunez. Finding an attacker is available, good enough and affordable will be about pouncing at the right time if/when that happens. There's also increased CL funding coming in too and maybe the stand paid off(?). Famous last words, but there should be money available if Salah gets a few extra years. I guess the point is I don't see 95% of that list developing into a superstar like Mo. Kudos is the one left in the PL who looks like he could fill the void best. There might also be some release clauses in the market we're working around and looking to exploit. Who knows.
Surely that’s why we employed Hughes & Edwards - to find the players that’ll deliver regardless of what we pay - and after being in situ for a year they should, along with Slot, have a better handle on what’s needed.
And if they've done that job, and looked for a right wing-forward who shits goals and assists, there is one name that ought to be at the top of their list. And he already plays for us.
They can make their job a lot easier by signing him up.
The art is in knowing which players to keep up to retirement and which to move on. And you need to be selective so you don't suddenly find yourself with an ageing squad where all the players drop off together (as with our midfield 2 years ago). So you keep van Dijk and Salah while you scout / develop players to replace them. These are vital positions where you don't want to take chances.
But if there are players where you can see their input declining (Mane, Firmino, probably Robbo now) then you move them on. It looks like that's the decision we've taken on Alisson as well, which is probably more injury based.
But the vibes coming out of the club are that we want to keep Mo, Virgil and Trent. So they need to get it done.
Mo will be hard to replace - there are few, if any, players out there who will match his numbers, particularly from right wing forward.
Virgil is still probably the world's best in his position, even if he's not quite the player of 5 years ago.
Trent is unique - there isn't another RB like him in world football.
So you keep them as long as you can, and as long as they perform, and then you adapt when it's their time to go, because you're not going to get a like for like replacement.
We need an am a striker and a rw whose marginal production and synergy is higher than Salah szobo and Nunez/sicknote
That's the ask. Not can we find a rw who can replace Salah.
That doesn't look impossible at all to me.
That's the ask. Not can we find a rw who can replace Salah.
That doesn't look impossible at all to me.
That's fair, but I still think it's harder than you might imagine.
The players out there who are delivering good numbers are either out of our reach (e.g. Haaland, Isak) or come with huge risks on consistency / delivering at a higher level (e.g. Marmoush, Gyokeres). And they still carry huge price tags.
Back to my basic hypothesis. Mo Salah is playing for (e.g.) Spurs. He's delivering LFC-level numbers. He's available on a Bosman in the summer. Do you sign him and keep the other players we have, or sell them and sign two of the above / some up and coming player who may or may not make it?
Same.
I dont want to lose Trent, but if we only are able to 2/3 then he's the one I'm least arsed about in all honesty.
Virgil and Salah are close to impossible to replace during the next 2 seasons, but we can buy and develop their replacements during that time.
If Trent has his heart set on a move then we promote Bradley as a starter, and sign a new RB.
Virgil and Salah are close to impossible to replace during the next 2 seasons, but we can buy and develop their replacements during that time.
If Trent has his heart set on a move then we promote Bradley as a starter, and sign a new RB.
The only thing i disagree with here is promoting bradley. I dunno, something makes me think he's not going to make it with us
Boooooo! He's going to be brilliant. He needs work, but he's going to be boss.
There's talent there, just not sold on his defensive prowess as much
He's only played a handful of games and he's only a lad. I agree, he needs work, but that's what Slot's there for. He has a great record developing young players. I have faith in Slot and the Tayto Terrier.
Fuck ye!
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Such an exaggaration.,,
How will getting this wrong fuck us up for years to come? We wasted money on Naby and Ox, we are still here.
Some of the over the top reactions on here are well OTT, this is just all negotion tactics and not like we haven’t done the same at work. We all the best deal when we have leverage.
