Transfer Rumours 21/22
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You forget, Davies is on loan and Rhys Williams will probably be out on loan as well.
Also Fabs and Hendo can play in defence too. Yay!
So it's £10.5m but nothing up front, payments start next summer apparently.
Still massages the balance sheet, if not the cashflow.
Has anyone considered that maybe we're selling these players in order to pay for the Konate transfer and not to sign an additional player?
It could be last year’s transfers even, read somewhere on echo 2 days ago, the first amortisation payment on Jota is not due till this year but could be wrong on that.
We just have to be realstic with expectations this year and just hope at least Klopp is happy.
Article from Echo related to amoritisation :
Liverpool's £107m transfer outlay and Philippe Coutinho fee explained
How Liverpool's amortisation figures compare to rivals as recently published accounts reflect quieter transfer period
ByDave PowellBusiness of Football Writer05:00, 18 JUL 2021
When a player arrives at a club on the back of a big money deal it makes an impact on the balance sheet of a football club.
In the case of Philippe Coutinho's move from Liverpool to Barcelona in 2018 for a whopping £142m, that money didn't drop into the Reds' bank account and allow them free reign to head out and buy Alisson Becker and Virgil van Dijk, that money was actually received over time, with Liverpool selling the debt eventually to a third party.
For Barcelona, though, that outlay was shown on their accounts as an amortisation expense on their profit and loss accounts over five years, a figure of £28.4m per year. That was the expense of his £142m fee over his five-year contract.
Liverpool's own transfer policy has often come under scrutiny from fans under the ownership of Fenway Sports Group, the Reds owners' transfer strategy around buying undervalued players and being able to drive a high price for those that they move out of Anfield is something that has been both lauded and derided.
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In the case of the Coutinho move, selling a player for £134m than you paid for him was remarkable business. It also enabled them to do the kind of business that was required in order to address the deficiencies in the squad that were clearly holding Jurgen Klopp's men back from taking the next step to silverware under the German's tenure. And with the additions of Alisson and van Dijk it worked.
Since that flurry of big business it has been relatively quiet for FSG up until they added Diogo Jota from Wolverhampton Wanderers for £45m last summer and also paid £25m to prise Thiago Alcantara away from Bayern Munich. But those two deals didn't form part of Liverpool's most recent accounts, published back in April, that showed the club made a £46m pre-tax loss during a financial period that included three months of the hugely significant impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the club's bottom line.
In among the figures was the club's amortisation costs for the 2019/20 campaign, the cumulative monies spent on transfer fees for players over the remaining life of their initial contracts.
Liverpool's figures stood at £107m, a 4.5 per cent £5m decrease on the £112m that had been in the 2019 accounts. The previous year's accounts had included the significant transfer activity that FSG undertook, the amortisation costs in 2019 rising from £77m in 2018 and £58m in 2017. The jump from 2018 to 2019 in terms of amortisation was 45.5 per cent while from the period two years before it was a rise of 93.1 per cent.
The Reds' dip in terms of their amortisation costs for the financial year ending May 2020 was largely down to a quiet transfer window that saw them sign only Takumi Minamino and Sepp van den Berg for a fee, paying £7.25m and £1.3m respectively. They did also add Harvey Elliott but the fee to be paid was only determined by a tribunal in February, the Reds to pay Fulham up to £4.3m for his services, a cost that will be amortised from the next financial statements for the year ending May 2021.
There were some deals that had run their course and no longer featured in the numbers, such as Divock Origi's £10m 2014 move from Lille no longer being accounted for, but it was the lack of spend that drove down the figure.
When you compare how Liverpool's amortisation costs stack up against their rivals, a good indicator of how much has actually been invested in transfer spend over a period of time, the Reds come in at fifth, the second lowest of the so-called 'big six' in the Premier League, with only Tottenham Hotspur beneath them with figures of £74m per year when it comes to amortisation.
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Manchester City topped the list with £146m, followed by Chelsea with £129m, Manchester United £127m and Arsenal £109m.
Liverpool's amortisation costs for next year will increase. As well as having Elliott, a signing from the previous summer, including in the costs it will also amortise the costs of the permanent signings of Jota (£45m), Thiago (£25m), Kostas Tsimikas (£11.75m), Marcelo Pitaluga (£1.8m) and Ben Davies (£1.6m). In the case of Jota, amortising his transfer cost will be around £9m, with around £6.25m for Thiago and Tsimikas £2.35m.
There will be some fees that no longer feature, however, with Sadio Mane's move from Southampton, the now-departed Gini Wijnaldum's switch from Newcastle United and Loris Karius' switch from FSV Mainz 05 no longer appearing in the amortisation costs.
Manchester City will see a rise in their amortisation costs for next season through the signings of Ruben Dias, Nathan Ake and Ferran Torres, but it will likely be Chelsea who see the steepest rise owing to their summer spending spree in 2020 where they added Kai Havertz, Timo Werner, Ben Chilwell, Hakim Ziyech and Edouard Mendy for a combined £222.5m. Their heavy spend last summer was born from having been unable to sign players the two previous windows due to a transfer ban handed down by FIFA.
Liverpool's £107m transfer outlay and Philippe Coutinho fee explained
How Liverpool's amortisation figures compare to rivals as recently published accounts reflect quieter transfer period
ByDave PowellBusiness of Football Writer05:00, 18 JUL 2021
When a player arrives at a club on the back of a big money deal it makes an impact on the balance sheet of a football club.
In the case of Philippe Coutinho's move from Liverpool to Barcelona in 2018 for a whopping £142m, that money didn't drop into the Reds' bank account and allow them free reign to head out and buy Alisson Becker and Virgil van Dijk, that money was actually received over time, with Liverpool selling the debt eventually to a third party.
For Barcelona, though, that outlay was shown on their accounts as an amortisation expense on their profit and loss accounts over five years, a figure of £28.4m per year. That was the expense of his £142m fee over his five-year contract.
Liverpool's own transfer policy has often come under scrutiny from fans under the ownership of Fenway Sports Group, the Reds owners' transfer strategy around buying undervalued players and being able to drive a high price for those that they move out of Anfield is something that has been both lauded and derided.
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In the case of the Coutinho move, selling a player for £134m than you paid for him was remarkable business. It also enabled them to do the kind of business that was required in order to address the deficiencies in the squad that were clearly holding Jurgen Klopp's men back from taking the next step to silverware under the German's tenure. And with the additions of Alisson and van Dijk it worked.
Since that flurry of big business it has been relatively quiet for FSG up until they added Diogo Jota from Wolverhampton Wanderers for £45m last summer and also paid £25m to prise Thiago Alcantara away from Bayern Munich. But those two deals didn't form part of Liverpool's most recent accounts, published back in April, that showed the club made a £46m pre-tax loss during a financial period that included three months of the hugely significant impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the club's bottom line.
In among the figures was the club's amortisation costs for the 2019/20 campaign, the cumulative monies spent on transfer fees for players over the remaining life of their initial contracts.
Liverpool's figures stood at £107m, a 4.5 per cent £5m decrease on the £112m that had been in the 2019 accounts. The previous year's accounts had included the significant transfer activity that FSG undertook, the amortisation costs in 2019 rising from £77m in 2018 and £58m in 2017. The jump from 2018 to 2019 in terms of amortisation was 45.5 per cent while from the period two years before it was a rise of 93.1 per cent.
The Reds' dip in terms of their amortisation costs for the financial year ending May 2020 was largely down to a quiet transfer window that saw them sign only Takumi Minamino and Sepp van den Berg for a fee, paying £7.25m and £1.3m respectively. They did also add Harvey Elliott but the fee to be paid was only determined by a tribunal in February, the Reds to pay Fulham up to £4.3m for his services, a cost that will be amortised from the next financial statements for the year ending May 2021.
There were some deals that had run their course and no longer featured in the numbers, such as Divock Origi's £10m 2014 move from Lille no longer being accounted for, but it was the lack of spend that drove down the figure.
When you compare how Liverpool's amortisation costs stack up against their rivals, a good indicator of how much has actually been invested in transfer spend over a period of time, the Reds come in at fifth, the second lowest of the so-called 'big six' in the Premier League, with only Tottenham Hotspur beneath them with figures of £74m per year when it comes to amortisation.
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Manchester City topped the list with £146m, followed by Chelsea with £129m, Manchester United £127m and Arsenal £109m.
Liverpool's amortisation costs for next year will increase. As well as having Elliott, a signing from the previous summer, including in the costs it will also amortise the costs of the permanent signings of Jota (£45m), Thiago (£25m), Kostas Tsimikas (£11.75m), Marcelo Pitaluga (£1.8m) and Ben Davies (£1.6m). In the case of Jota, amortising his transfer cost will be around £9m, with around £6.25m for Thiago and Tsimikas £2.35m.
There will be some fees that no longer feature, however, with Sadio Mane's move from Southampton, the now-departed Gini Wijnaldum's switch from Newcastle United and Loris Karius' switch from FSV Mainz 05 no longer appearing in the amortisation costs.
Manchester City will see a rise in their amortisation costs for next season through the signings of Ruben Dias, Nathan Ake and Ferran Torres, but it will likely be Chelsea who see the steepest rise owing to their summer spending spree in 2020 where they added Kai Havertz, Timo Werner, Ben Chilwell, Hakim Ziyech and Edouard Mendy for a combined £222.5m. Their heavy spend last summer was born from having been unable to sign players the two previous windows due to a transfer ban handed down by FIFA.
Neil Jones suggests we won't get £15m. It'll be similar to Grujic where we have to accept less.
He then goes on to suggest we'll look to sign a midfielder + forward. Sanches is not one of them.
I have. I think it's most likely.
I don’t think you can - you don’t need to register youth players - they can play anyway.
Hope it works out for both parties. Awoniyi's a better player in his sleep than the last one I remember us transferring to a Berlin club, namely (spit) Voronin.
EDIT: Just checked and Hertha didn't sign him permanently. Came to their senses in time.
EDIT: Just checked and Hertha didn't sign him permanently. Came to their senses in time.
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You can. You don’t need to based on age, but you can based on nationality to meet your numbers
Killjoy.
No he's not fuck off.
I’m sorry mate - that doesn’t make any sense.
You can register a maximum of 17 non-home grown players - the rest have to be home grown - so you can register 5 if you want.
You don’t heed to register any player under the age of 21, regardless of their nationality, in order for them to play in the Premier League - and you can have an unlimited amount of u21 players.
So why would you register they - there’s no benefit, at all.
You might be confusing the Premier League Rule with the UEFA Rule - which is slightly different and includes “club trained” as condition for u21 players - and you can register non-club trained u21 players to fill up your main quota.
Unless it’s changed again.
Does skint mean not being able to spend 200-300m like Chelsea Utd and City can though...in your opinion?
We spent 100m on Thiago Jota and Konate before we sold anyone of note.
Bowen won't be cheap. He's 24, English and under contract till 2025. West Ham signed him for 18 million, so I'd imagine they'd easily ask 30-35 million for him.
I think so too tbh there are far worst attacking options to have on the bench, just can't see it happening.
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