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I don't think we have heard the last of him to be honest.
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[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1378018#msg1378018 date=1313065995]
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
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I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
[/quote]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
It should also be mentioned what he did was very unselfish, less than 24 hours aftr his son was murdered and died in his hands he was out in front of cameras and in front of idiot youths hell bent on revenge telling people to calm down and go home. He knew there was a big potential for things to get worse in the area and knew he had a position of authority as a result of what had happened and did the right thing.
May he and his family and the family of the two brothers who were killed be given patience and strength during testing and troubling times.
May he and his family and the family of the two brothers who were killed be given patience and strength during testing and troubling times.
Also being reported that the 60 year old man richard bowes hit on the head on Monday during riots in Ealing has died as a result of his injuries.
He was hit on the head while he tried to stamp out a fire, and was in a coma for the past few days. Police have released a pic of a strong suspect they wish to talk to.
He was hit on the head while he tried to stamp out a fire, and was in a coma for the past few days. Police have released a pic of a strong suspect they wish to talk to.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378436#msg1378436 date=1313107644]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1378018#msg1378018 date=1313065995]
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
[/quote]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
If I spoke about "poor people" the way you guys talk about "rich people" SR and Lech would be apoplectic. Why the nasty generalizations about "rich people"? I'm not sure about your country, but the vast majority of "rich people" over here weren't born that way. By the way, how much salary makes someone "rich"? Or is it total assets? Does it even matter? And who are you or anyone else to say what someone should do with their money they earned? Is charitable giving the measure of acceptability for "rich people?" I assume you don't apply the same standard to "poor people".
I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. But seeing the people around me who started with as little as I did and have done well for themselves and their families is inspiring, not embittering. Socioeconomic status isn't static -- at least not here. While I'll never be one of those "rich people" you all seem to despise I don't mind other people becoming so. When that opportunity no longer exists it will be a much sadder day than today.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1378018#msg1378018 date=1313065995]
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
[/quote]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
If I spoke about "poor people" the way you guys talk about "rich people" SR and Lech would be apoplectic. Why the nasty generalizations about "rich people"? I'm not sure about your country, but the vast majority of "rich people" over here weren't born that way. By the way, how much salary makes someone "rich"? Or is it total assets? Does it even matter? And who are you or anyone else to say what someone should do with their money they earned? Is charitable giving the measure of acceptability for "rich people?" I assume you don't apply the same standard to "poor people".
I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. But seeing the people around me who started with as little as I did and have done well for themselves and their families is inspiring, not embittering. Socioeconomic status isn't static -- at least not here. While I'll never be one of those "rich people" you all seem to despise I don't mind other people becoming so. When that opportunity no longer exists it will be a much sadder day than today.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378436#msg1378436 date=1313107644]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1378018#msg1378018 date=1313065995]
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
[/quote]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
If I spoke about "poor people" the way you guys talk about "rich people" SR and Lech would be apoplectic. Why the nasty generalizations about "rich people"? I'm not sure about your country, but the vast majority of "rich people" over here weren't born that way. By the way, how much salary makes someone "rich"? Or is it total assets? Does it even matter? And who are you or anyone else to say what someone should do with their money they earned? Is charitable giving the measure of acceptability for "rich people?" I assume you don't apply the same standard to "poor people".
I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. But seeing the people around me who started with as little as I did and have done well for themselves and their families is inspiring, not embittering. Socioeconomic status isn't static -- at least not here. While I'll never be one of those "rich people" you all seem to despise I don't mind other people becoming so. When that opportunity no longer exists it will be a much sadder day than today.
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I never once said getting rich or being rich was a bad thing and like you I have the upmost respect for people who have gotten to where they are.
I came from nothing and certainly am doing alot better than the average person from my home town. But I would not call myself Rich either.
As you say its hard to put a value on 'rich'.
In this instance though I was referring to the super rich part of society that for a very long time have gotten away with not paying what possibly they should.
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378436#msg1378436 date=1313107644]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1378018#msg1378018 date=1313065995]
I give up.
You honestly think they wouldn't have an accountant anyway?
This is fucking boring now, and you're either being obtuse or somewhere along the line you were lobotomised and the part of your brain responsible for logic was removed. Tories are great! Rich people make the world a better place! Ra ra ra!
[/quote]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
If I spoke about "poor people" the way you guys talk about "rich people" SR and Lech would be apoplectic. Why the nasty generalizations about "rich people"? I'm not sure about your country, but the vast majority of "rich people" over here weren't born that way. By the way, how much salary makes someone "rich"? Or is it total assets? Does it even matter? And who are you or anyone else to say what someone should do with their money they earned? Is charitable giving the measure of acceptability for "rich people?" I assume you don't apply the same standard to "poor people".
I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. But seeing the people around me who started with as little as I did and have done well for themselves and their families is inspiring, not embittering. Socioeconomic status isn't static -- at least not here. While I'll never be one of those "rich people" you all seem to despise I don't mind other people becoming so. When that opportunity no longer exists it will be a much sadder day than today.
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I never once said getting rich or being rich was a bad thing and like you I have the upmost respect for people who have gotten to where they are.
I came from nothing and certainly am doing alot better than the average person from my home town. But I would not call myself Rich either.
As you say its hard to put a value on 'rich'.
In this instance though I was referring to the super rich part of society that for a very long time have gotten away with not paying what possibly they should.
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378436#msg1378436 date=1313107644]
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
The line I have highlighted is why I believe lowering the tax rate could potentially bring in more tax.
People want to spend as little as they can. If the loopholes and tax avoidance schemes were totally free to find and set up and there was no risk then yes, they would still look for them.
They are, however, not free to set up and there is a risk involved.
So, BECAUSE people don't wish to lose a lot of their money, if the tax rate was lower it would be easier to pay it.
Basically if I was given a thousand pounds on the condition that I had to either give 500 to you or 250 to Singlerider, then of course I would give the 250 to Singlerider wouldn't I?
If, however, the system was changed so that I could either give 200 to you or 250 to Singlerider then I would give it to you instead.
I'm suprised anyone is disagreeing with you.
All of your points for the main part at valid.
Plus Rich people are exactly that because they avoid giving away amount of money they can no matter how small.
Every single wealthy person I know wouldn't spend $5 where they don't have to. So to think they wouldn't try and still find loopholes is crazy talk.
I'm not sure what the solution is but lowering the tax bracket on the wealthy is not it thats for sure.
[/quote]
The line I have highlighted is why I believe lowering the tax rate could potentially bring in more tax.
People want to spend as little as they can. If the loopholes and tax avoidance schemes were totally free to find and set up and there was no risk then yes, they would still look for them.
They are, however, not free to set up and there is a risk involved.
So, BECAUSE people don't wish to lose a lot of their money, if the tax rate was lower it would be easier to pay it.
Basically if I was given a thousand pounds on the condition that I had to either give 500 to you or 250 to Singlerider, then of course I would give the 250 to Singlerider wouldn't I?
If, however, the system was changed so that I could either give 200 to you or 250 to Singlerider then I would give it to you instead.
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
Why would Bono pay taxes in the UK?
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
Why would Bono pay taxes in the UK?
I don't see the tax system being that unfair really.
The more you earn the more you pay.
The personal allowance evens things up down at the bottom end, so someone on say £15k only pays tax on £8k, a much smaller proportion of their income than say someone earning £30k who is paying tax on £22k.And at the upper end when you get to £40k the tax increases to £40% and up to half at a later threshold. Don't get blinkered by avoidance and evasion. The more penalising you make your tax system the less you get in because the less incentive there is for people to earn more and the the avoidance and evasion become more important and sophisticated.
regards
The more you earn the more you pay.
The personal allowance evens things up down at the bottom end, so someone on say £15k only pays tax on £8k, a much smaller proportion of their income than say someone earning £30k who is paying tax on £22k.And at the upper end when you get to £40k the tax increases to £40% and up to half at a later threshold. Don't get blinkered by avoidance and evasion. The more penalising you make your tax system the less you get in because the less incentive there is for people to earn more and the the avoidance and evasion become more important and sophisticated.
regards
Sorry about the source, but reports coming out today that banks and building societies are refusing to give riot victims a bit of breathing space to get their shit together
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025083/Tottenham-riots-victims-told-banks-You-pay-mortgage.html
A bit on the harsh side
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025083/Tottenham-riots-victims-told-banks-You-pay-mortgage.html
A bit on the harsh side
Awaits the PM on white charger
regards
regards
Done much riding then, have you, Vlad? 😉
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46360.msg1378751#msg1378751 date=1313159804]
Done much riding then, have you, Vlad? 😉
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None JJ. Never really appealed , although having said that nor does walking 😉
regards
Done much riding then, have you, Vlad? 😉
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None JJ. Never really appealed , although having said that nor does walking 😉
regards
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378461#msg1378461 date=1313123276]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
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He has helped the poor, hasn't he? And do you have proof that he moved his company to Holland specifically to avoid paying his countries tax? There was absolutely no other reason?
Another way to look at it, is that people should stay in the country where they learnt their skills because they owe their countrymen? So all the foreign football players should basically go home?
You know what, don't bother answering.
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
[/quote]
He has helped the poor, hasn't he? And do you have proof that he moved his company to Holland specifically to avoid paying his countries tax? There was absolutely no other reason?
Another way to look at it, is that people should stay in the country where they learnt their skills because they owe their countrymen? So all the foreign football players should basically go home?
You know what, don't bother answering.
Haven't you deserted your country men in their time of need too DB?
How about you start paying taxes in the country you're from?
How about you start paying taxes in the country you're from?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517
soz for those who don't live in England, and may be unable to see this.
soz for those who don't live in England, and may be unable to see this.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378461#msg1378461 date=1313123276]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
[/quote]
He has helped the poor, hasn't he? And do you have proof that he moved his company to Holland specifically to avoid paying his countries tax? There was absolutely no other reason?
Another way to look at it, is that people should stay in the country where they learnt their skills because they owe their countrymen? So all the foreign football players should basically go home?
You know what, don't bother answering.
[/quote]
No, you don't owe your countrymen anything.
But he might be preaching a little less.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378461#msg1378461 date=1313123276]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46360.msg1378449#msg1378449 date=1313116388]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=46360.msg1378447#msg1378447 date=1313113635]
It's one of the reasons I do not like Bono (he moved his company to Holland once we changed our tax laws for musicians so he could avoid paying tax to the very country that help build his business.
[/quote]
What?
You don't think other countries have bought his music?
And you don't think he's paid any taxes in the UK?
A person is allowed to move to whatever country he or she wants, it's called freedom.
[/quote]
F*ck that. Its very easy for him to suddenly up and move on when he suits his greedy agenda.
He bangs on about helping the poor then he shafts his own countrymen in a time when we are up shit creek just so he can keep every cent.
He's a massive hypocrite.
[/quote]
He has helped the poor, hasn't he? And do you have proof that he moved his company to Holland specifically to avoid paying his countries tax? There was absolutely no other reason?
Another way to look at it, is that people should stay in the country where they learnt their skills because they owe their countrymen? So all the foreign football players should basically go home?
You know what, don't bother answering.
[/quote]
No, you don't owe your countrymen anything.
But he might be preaching a little less.
Good. There are civil liberties implications associated with the number of CCTV cameras on our streets, but there's no denying they have their proper uses.
CCTV is one of the best tools we have in tackling crime but the issue is how its used and the potential for local authorities going over the top with it.
Although a lot of people don't like being filmed themselves, if there is a crime hotspot the first thing those same people ask for is CCTV.
Although a lot of people don't like being filmed themselves, if there is a crime hotspot the first thing those same people ask for is CCTV.
Richey, i saw your mate Dan Hannan wrote a blog piece about the opportunism of the riots - easily the best article i've read on the subject.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46360.msg1378993#msg1378993 date=1313230277]
Richey, i saw your mate Dan Hannan wrote a blog piece about the opportunism of the riots - easily the best article i've read on the subject.
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So I see. Not read it yet. Dan's blog is normally worth a read. Don't agree with everything he says but he often has some very valid points and he will always back them up.
Richey, i saw your mate Dan Hannan wrote a blog piece about the opportunism of the riots - easily the best article i've read on the subject.
[/quote]
So I see. Not read it yet. Dan's blog is normally worth a read. Don't agree with everything he says but he often has some very valid points and he will always back them up.
I would have a flat tax. I see taxing high earners more as a disincentive to keeping their money in the economy, and under-taxing them as unfair to everyone else. I don't see why it has to be complicated.
I would also abolish minimum wage and try to create incentives for manufacturing in areas where a lot of people are currently on the dole.
I would also abolish minimum wage and try to create incentives for manufacturing in areas where a lot of people are currently on the dole.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=46360.msg1379198#msg1379198 date=1313243518]
I would have a flat tax. I see taxing high earners more as a disincentive to keeping their money in the economy, and under-taxing them as unfair to everyone else. I don't see why it has to be complicated.
I would also abolish minimum wage and try to create incentives for manufacturing in areas where a lot of people are currently on the dole.
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Incentives for manufacturing in the UK is the way forward. It creates jobs.
I would have a flat tax. I see taxing high earners more as a disincentive to keeping their money in the economy, and under-taxing them as unfair to everyone else. I don't see why it has to be complicated.
I would also abolish minimum wage and try to create incentives for manufacturing in areas where a lot of people are currently on the dole.
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Incentives for manufacturing in the UK is the way forward. It creates jobs.
Earlier in the week Cameron visited Manchester to see the damage and speak to the locals. Today it was Clegg's turn. Neither bothered their arses to come to Liverpool. The Tories (and their lapdog) disdain of this city is laughably transparent.
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