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Dayum, who'da thunk it?
Dayum, who'da thunk it?
Tottenham Riots
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[quote author=vantage link=topic=46360.msg1377781#msg1377781 date=1313047345]
The guy is obviously the politcal equivalent of that mad bastard no-nothing you have doing the footie summarising, Dunphy is it? 2 minutes of him and all of a sudden John Barnes seems lucid.
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There was uproar on Irish radio yesterday over this article, and, as far as I know, it was taken down from the website in the afternoon.
Of course what is said cant be unsaid. Dont think Dunphy would write that to be honest. It was a guy called Kevin Myers.
The guy is obviously the politcal equivalent of that mad bastard no-nothing you have doing the footie summarising, Dunphy is it? 2 minutes of him and all of a sudden John Barnes seems lucid.
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There was uproar on Irish radio yesterday over this article, and, as far as I know, it was taken down from the website in the afternoon.
Of course what is said cant be unsaid. Dont think Dunphy would write that to be honest. It was a guy called Kevin Myers.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=46360.msg1377714#msg1377714 date=1313014573]
I think it's because the scruffs are scared of a bit of rain Vlad.
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Oh I knew it would stop when I saw the weather forecast a few days ago and PC Rain would come and sort it.
No, I meant that Merseyside Police seem to have done a pretty good job in general and contained it fairly well.
regards
I think it's because the scruffs are scared of a bit of rain Vlad.
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Oh I knew it would stop when I saw the weather forecast a few days ago and PC Rain would come and sort it.
No, I meant that Merseyside Police seem to have done a pretty good job in general and contained it fairly well.
regards
Something I noticed where I live. On Tuesday the rumour was that the riots were on their way. Shops closed early, the streets were very quiet, rumours all over Facebook and twitter, people panicking over every siren etc etc.
Nothing happened at all.
Last night people thought the threat had died down so obviously felt a bit more confident. However, what we therefore had instead was gangs of idiots hanging around the town centre or driving around like cunts trying to look intimidating. They had no intention of actually rioting or causing any damage, but because people still felt slightly vulnerable they were taking advantage.
I suspect a few towns will have a slightly nervous edge to them for a little while yet.
Nothing happened at all.
Last night people thought the threat had died down so obviously felt a bit more confident. However, what we therefore had instead was gangs of idiots hanging around the town centre or driving around like cunts trying to look intimidating. They had no intention of actually rioting or causing any damage, but because people still felt slightly vulnerable they were taking advantage.
I suspect a few towns will have a slightly nervous edge to them for a little while yet.
Also, is it something of a concern that this has all happened during the week, at times when police are not normally stretched?
When it comes to Friday and Saturday night, when towns and cities are full anyway with pissed people and police are always busy even in normal circumstances, will people see that as a good opportunity to start again?
When it comes to Friday and Saturday night, when towns and cities are full anyway with pissed people and police are always busy even in normal circumstances, will people see that as a good opportunity to start again?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46360.msg1377828#msg1377828 date=1313051468]
Also, is it something of a concern that this has all happened during the week, at times when police are not normally stretched?
When it comes to Friday and Saturday night, when towns and cities are full anyway with pissed people and police are always busy even in normal circumstances, will people see that as a good opportunity to start again?
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or when a football match is on..........possibly , but I think they will take those things into account. I think when policing the normal pissed sessions there would only be a relative handful round compared to what we have had over the last few days
regards
Also, is it something of a concern that this has all happened during the week, at times when police are not normally stretched?
When it comes to Friday and Saturday night, when towns and cities are full anyway with pissed people and police are always busy even in normal circumstances, will people see that as a good opportunity to start again?
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or when a football match is on..........possibly , but I think they will take those things into account. I think when policing the normal pissed sessions there would only be a relative handful round compared to what we have had over the last few days
regards
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/bbc-apologizes-darcus-howe-london-riots_n_923525.html
London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this. Send it out)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/bbc-apologizes-darcus-howe-london-riots_n_923525.html
London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this. Send it out)
As the debate is spread across a few threads now, but this one is kinda the most recent, here's as good a place as any to put this:
Figures show in 2005, from the 54 billionaires living in the UK, a total of £14.7M was collected in income tax - £9M of which was paid by James Dyson
Figures show in 2005, from the 54 billionaires living in the UK, a total of £14.7M was collected in income tax - £9M of which was paid by James Dyson
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377882#msg1377882 date=1313055844]
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
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Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
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Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46360.msg1377897#msg1377897 date=1313056471]
Darcus Howe is a professional shit-stirrer of the first order. He has been playing this game for years. His own private life does not match up to the high moral tone that he adopts - he abandoned a wife and children in Trinidad.
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The interview was pretty disgraceful though. Not so much from a moral point of view - but from an expected standard of journalism.
This is the BBC, a world renowned broadcaster, and they've got this dappy cow asking "Does that mean you condone what's happening" - what a ridiculous, pathetic and facile question. Since when did the Beeb reduce itself to this lowest-common-denominator style of tabloid thinking?
Shame! Shame on the BBC!
It kinda reminded me of:
BBC Jody McIntyre interview
Darcus Howe is a professional shit-stirrer of the first order. He has been playing this game for years. His own private life does not match up to the high moral tone that he adopts - he abandoned a wife and children in Trinidad.
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The interview was pretty disgraceful though. Not so much from a moral point of view - but from an expected standard of journalism.
This is the BBC, a world renowned broadcaster, and they've got this dappy cow asking "Does that mean you condone what's happening" - what a ridiculous, pathetic and facile question. Since when did the Beeb reduce itself to this lowest-common-denominator style of tabloid thinking?
Shame! Shame on the BBC!
It kinda reminded me of:
BBC Jody McIntyre interview
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377906#msg1377906 date=1313057423]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377882#msg1377882 date=1313055844]
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
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Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
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Did you watch it?
I don't really give a fuck about what they say to him, but I am offended by such poor journalism from the BBC.
"You say you're not shocked by what's happened, does that mean you condone it?" Oh fuck off!
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377882#msg1377882 date=1313055844]
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
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Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
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Did you watch it?
I don't really give a fuck about what they say to him, but I am offended by such poor journalism from the BBC.
"You say you're not shocked by what's happened, does that mean you condone it?" Oh fuck off!
From his utterances it is clear that Darcus Howe does condone the riots. That is his thing.
In my opinion he is doing the black community a disservice because he is portraying the riots as a black phenomenon, whereas it seems pretty clear to me that the misbehaviour was not the fault of any particular racial group.
In my opinion he is doing the black community a disservice because he is portraying the riots as a black phenomenon, whereas it seems pretty clear to me that the misbehaviour was not the fault of any particular racial group.
Oh please. Darcus Howe was equally as appalling as the journo.
Considering I've spent far too much time lately reading all your economic analysis (I don't agree with it all, but as I ain't pasting any graphs -> I cannot argue with you), I'm honestly surprised you think (thought?) that highly of the BBC.
That sentence is stupid (I don't remember hearing it - I watched it when it was put in this thread earlier) but I don't think the 'you were involved in riots' question is really bad. He was involved in a protest that became a riot. Shit happens.
Btw Dan, I do agree with Portly's comment (From his utterances it is clear that Darcus Howe does condone the riots) - whether it's his thing or not, I don't know.
That sentence is stupid (I don't remember hearing it - I watched it when it was put in this thread earlier) but I don't think the 'you were involved in riots' question is really bad. He was involved in a protest that became a riot. Shit happens.
Btw Dan, I do agree with Portly's comment (From his utterances it is clear that Darcus Howe does condone the riots) - whether it's his thing or not, I don't know.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46360.msg1377914#msg1377914 date=1313057946]
Oh please. Darcus Howe was equally as appalling as the journo.
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I don't buy his shit and pay for his opinion, I don't give a fuck about him.
I do pay my license fee and so therefore pay for that service. I expect a better quality of journalism than that.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377915#msg1377915 date=1313058027]
Considering I've spent far too much time lately reading all your economic analysis (I don't agree with it all, but as I ain't pasting any graphs -> I cannot argue with you), I'm honestly surprised you think (thought?) that highly of the BBC.
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Well, yeah, I guess you've got a point - but they are capable of some very high quality broadcasting and I think it's a shame on issues like this where there is the potential to actually engage with the issues and look into it on a more than superficial level, that they would stoop down to this sort of tabloid style journalism
Oh please. Darcus Howe was equally as appalling as the journo.
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I don't buy his shit and pay for his opinion, I don't give a fuck about him.
I do pay my license fee and so therefore pay for that service. I expect a better quality of journalism than that.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377915#msg1377915 date=1313058027]
Considering I've spent far too much time lately reading all your economic analysis (I don't agree with it all, but as I ain't pasting any graphs -> I cannot argue with you), I'm honestly surprised you think (thought?) that highly of the BBC.
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Well, yeah, I guess you've got a point - but they are capable of some very high quality broadcasting and I think it's a shame on issues like this where there is the potential to actually engage with the issues and look into it on a more than superficial level, that they would stoop down to this sort of tabloid style journalism
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377939#msg1377939 date=1313059386]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377915#msg1377915 date=1313058027]
Considering I've spent far too much time lately reading all your economic analysis (I don't agree with it all, but as I ain't pasting any graphs -> I cannot argue with you), I'm honestly surprised you think (thought?) that highly of the BBC.
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Well, yeah, I guess you've got a point - but they are capable of some very high quality broadcasting and I think it's a shame on issues like this where there is the potential to actually engage with the issues and look into it on a more than superficial level, that they would stoop down to this sort of tabloid style journalism[/quote]
Agreed
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377915#msg1377915 date=1313058027]
Considering I've spent far too much time lately reading all your economic analysis (I don't agree with it all, but as I ain't pasting any graphs -> I cannot argue with you), I'm honestly surprised you think (thought?) that highly of the BBC.
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Well, yeah, I guess you've got a point - but they are capable of some very high quality broadcasting and I think it's a shame on issues like this where there is the potential to actually engage with the issues and look into it on a more than superficial level, that they would stoop down to this sort of tabloid style journalism[/quote]
Agreed
The BBC have proved what useless fucks they are in the riots. Until this point it didn't really matter that all they seem to employ are middle class horsey shitbirds who got a 2:1 in some bullshit humanities degree and didn't know what they wanted to do, or that they all have the same voice and mannerisms, but in the first couple of days all you heard was how they didn't or couldn't understand anything that was happening. What a bunch of useless wankers - and yet I was drawn to rolling news. as they peddled out nobhead after nobhead to ask for useless bullshit opinions.
You get better on here. Consider that a backhanded compliment, it's true.
You get better on here. Consider that a backhanded compliment, it's true.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377912#msg1377912 date=1313057777]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377906#msg1377906 date=1313057423]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377882#msg1377882 date=1313055844]
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
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Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
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Did you watch it?
I don't really give a fuck about what they say to him, but I am offended by such poor journalism from the BBC.
"You say you're not shocked by what's happened, does that mean you condone it?" Oh fuck off!
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Shit journo in live news fuck up eh? I was watching Sky the night all those Norweigans got shot and fucking Sky had some poor bird who'd been on the island on the phone and all she wanted to do was go away and cry. But instead she was answering bollocks questions from the late night anchor on Sky who quite clearly was unable to think and talk at the same time.
Shit happens, and if it happens to Mr Darcus Howe, fuck him. He's a shit stirring cunt.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46360.msg1377906#msg1377906 date=1313057423]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377882#msg1377882 date=1313055844]
The Beeb has apologised to Darcus Howe for the interview they did with him.
[/quote]
Was the interview really that bad? I mean seriously?
[/quote]
Did you watch it?
I don't really give a fuck about what they say to him, but I am offended by such poor journalism from the BBC.
"You say you're not shocked by what's happened, does that mean you condone it?" Oh fuck off!
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Shit journo in live news fuck up eh? I was watching Sky the night all those Norweigans got shot and fucking Sky had some poor bird who'd been on the island on the phone and all she wanted to do was go away and cry. But instead she was answering bollocks questions from the late night anchor on Sky who quite clearly was unable to think and talk at the same time.
Shit happens, and if it happens to Mr Darcus Howe, fuck him. He's a shit stirring cunt.
I'm really not arsed about him tbh. I just thought it was representative of the standards seen when covering the riots - they've got someone on who isn't willing to join in the "Oh it's so mindless, there's no explanation for it!!" hand-wringing, so that immediately turns to "Do you condone it? Are you a rioter?"
Is wanting a slightly more nuanced and intelligent look at things really too much to ask?
Interesting story coming out of Eltham:
http://www.channel4.com/news/police-clash-with-vigilantes-in-eltham
The EDL who were 'protecting' the neighbourhood have seemingly kicked off at the old bill
Is wanting a slightly more nuanced and intelligent look at things really too much to ask?
Interesting story coming out of Eltham:
http://www.channel4.com/news/police-clash-with-vigilantes-in-eltham
The EDL who were 'protecting' the neighbourhood have seemingly kicked off at the old bill
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377900#msg1377900 date=1313056916]
As the debate is spread across a few threads now, but this one is kinda the most recent, here's as good a place as any to put this:
Figures show in 2005, from the 54 billionaires living in the UK, a total of £14.7M was collected in income tax - £9M of which was paid by James Dyson
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Is there nothing more recent than that? I mean, there has been a hell of a long time to sort that so if it has not changed then why has nothing been done?
If for some reason it cannot be changed or there are reasons why it is not changed then my point still stands that if the rate were lower then people would be more inclined to pay tax rather than paying other people to help them avoid tax.
As the debate is spread across a few threads now, but this one is kinda the most recent, here's as good a place as any to put this:
Figures show in 2005, from the 54 billionaires living in the UK, a total of £14.7M was collected in income tax - £9M of which was paid by James Dyson
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Is there nothing more recent than that? I mean, there has been a hell of a long time to sort that so if it has not changed then why has nothing been done?
If for some reason it cannot be changed or there are reasons why it is not changed then my point still stands that if the rate were lower then people would be more inclined to pay tax rather than paying other people to help them avoid tax.
Yeah, the reasons why it isn't changed is because politicians care more about pleasing these people than they do the rest of us.
Why you ask?
Where the fuck does their money come from?
Of course things won't change - it's not in the interest of the people with money, and therefore influence. Politicians want to please the people with money and influence. Hardly rocket science
Why you ask?
Where the fuck does their money come from?
Of course things won't change - it's not in the interest of the people with money, and therefore influence. Politicians want to please the people with money and influence. Hardly rocket science
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377976#msg1377976 date=1313062043]
Yeah, the reasons why it isn't changed is because politicians care more about pleasing these people than they do the rest of us.
Why you ask?
Where the fuck does their money come from?
Of course things won't change - it's not in the interest of the people with money, and therefore influence. Politicians want to please the people with money and influence. Hardly rocket science
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And why would that be? because the economy relies so much on the taxes that wealthy people and businesses do pay?
Or maybe because you can't force people to register a business or declare assets in the UK, so many of these loopholes and ways to reduce tax bills are not as easy to close as just saying 'they are banned'?
As I have said, and as you don't seem to have a response to, the best way that I see to combat this problem (and yes, of course it is a problem) is to make it more worthwhile for people to pay tax here by lowering the tax rate.
Yeah, the reasons why it isn't changed is because politicians care more about pleasing these people than they do the rest of us.
Why you ask?
Where the fuck does their money come from?
Of course things won't change - it's not in the interest of the people with money, and therefore influence. Politicians want to please the people with money and influence. Hardly rocket science
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And why would that be? because the economy relies so much on the taxes that wealthy people and businesses do pay?
Or maybe because you can't force people to register a business or declare assets in the UK, so many of these loopholes and ways to reduce tax bills are not as easy to close as just saying 'they are banned'?
As I have said, and as you don't seem to have a response to, the best way that I see to combat this problem (and yes, of course it is a problem) is to make it more worthwhile for people to pay tax here by lowering the tax rate.
*shocked*
Tax cuts for the wealthy - the best way to increase the tax take!
This kinda reminds me of when you see a school shooting in America and someone from the NRA comes on and says "Well if more people had guns, this never woulda happened!"
Tax cuts for the wealthy - the best way to increase the tax take!
This kinda reminds me of when you see a school shooting in America and someone from the NRA comes on and says "Well if more people had guns, this never woulda happened!"
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1377984#msg1377984 date=1313063137]
*shocked*
Tax cuts for the wealthy - the best way to increase the tax take!
This kinda reminds me of when you see a school shooting in America and someone from the NRA comes on and says "Well if more people had guns, this never woulda happened!"
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Well if we are in a situation where people and companies are legally allowed (and even encouraged) to avoid tax, and figures from 6 years ago showing this are still relevant today, then surely that shows that the option of forcing them to pay high rates of tax is not one that is going to happen.
Many people have talked a lot about finding out why something happens this week. Well, is it not worth considering why this happens to then? Why would people and companies go to the extent of paying accountants and tax lawyers huge sums to avoid paying tax? Because they are better off that way than just paying it.
So, if the tax system was simpler and the rate was lower then they would probably just pay it. Yes that is essentially cutting tax on rich people and rich companies (who, incidentally would merely pass on the tax burden to consumers anyway if they were forced to pay more - companies don't pay tax, people do) but we would be getting a smaller % of a lot more rather than a big % of what is left after a chunk of it is stashed away in tax avoidance schemes.
*shocked*
Tax cuts for the wealthy - the best way to increase the tax take!
This kinda reminds me of when you see a school shooting in America and someone from the NRA comes on and says "Well if more people had guns, this never woulda happened!"
[/quote]
Well if we are in a situation where people and companies are legally allowed (and even encouraged) to avoid tax, and figures from 6 years ago showing this are still relevant today, then surely that shows that the option of forcing them to pay high rates of tax is not one that is going to happen.
Many people have talked a lot about finding out why something happens this week. Well, is it not worth considering why this happens to then? Why would people and companies go to the extent of paying accountants and tax lawyers huge sums to avoid paying tax? Because they are better off that way than just paying it.
So, if the tax system was simpler and the rate was lower then they would probably just pay it. Yes that is essentially cutting tax on rich people and rich companies (who, incidentally would merely pass on the tax burden to consumers anyway if they were forced to pay more - companies don't pay tax, people do) but we would be getting a smaller % of a lot more rather than a big % of what is left after a chunk of it is stashed away in tax avoidance schemes.
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