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Imagine a song, that really reached out and touched kids,
And not in a Daily Mail way, innocence corrupted,
But in a way where criticism remained constructive,
And wasn't too politicised and children weren't instructed,
To behave in a way that was unrealistic,
Or made out the way they live was somehow sick and twisted,
But simply pointed out reasons to get it together,
Not shouting "get a job", but just saying,

(Chorus)
Get better, get better, get better, get better,
Get better, get better, get,
Get better, get better, get better, get better,
Get better,
Get better,
Get better, get better, get better,
Get better, get better, get,
Get better, get better, get better,
Get better,

You see the young mother capital is where I live,
Little kids being raised by slightly bigger kids,
Society seems unphased that this is how it is,
While I'm constantly amazed that this is how it is,
They confuse love at first sight with lust at first light,
It must have hurt right when trust first took flight,
You're young, you've no rights, you long for new heights,
But some of those nights leave more than love bites,
Tops cropped, skirts stop at the top of their thighs,
And the boys got that hungry look in their eyes,
They wanna be grown up and have respect you see,
But they're acting uneducated sexually,
I ain't saying' be celibate,
Go out and have your fun,
But there's plenty you can do without impregnation,
And there ain't nothing wrong at all with having children,
Just build yourself a little before you try to build them,
And,

(Chorus)

I see small town syndrome growing in size,
There's not a lot to do, so the kids they decide,
To get drunk every night, a glazed eyes disguise,
Do drugs every night, tired from their lives,
People getting off their faces for a quiet night in,
Kids rolling around the streets rowing and fighting,
But it's all just because life ain't too exciting,
And it's easier than trying to do the right thing,
But there are other choices --- if you want them,
You don't have to tow the line and just float with the flotsam,
You can build your time better when you find a passion,
The Internet and public services give free education,
So it really ain't a case of rich or poor,
It's a case of self-motivation and nothing more,
Like Billy says, whether you have or you have not wealth,
The system might fail you, but don't fail yourself,
Just,

(Chorus)
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46360.msg1376742#msg1376742 date=1312883344]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376736#msg1376736 date=1312883074] most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
[/quote]

We haven't had any troops in Iraq for a couple of years now.

Community Support Officers were brought in by Labour.

It's just a cheap shot to blame the Tories. 🙂
[/quote]To be honest im just calling the government the tories. Its not about the colour of their ties Portly im more bothered about the systematic failings of the system. Im not into point scoring at all. This is our government and they are the ones failing.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46360.msg1376740#msg1376740 date=1312883247]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46360.msg1376727#msg1376727 date=1312882600]
Agree in principle, but in practice I'd sooner see that happen than let the little gobsh!tes run riot.

Once this is sorted we have to take a long, hard look at what we need to do to avoid it happening again.
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Not that easy given that there will always be people around who will want something for nothing and get involved in violence when they think they can get away with it. I certainly don't like the idea that people can destroy parts of the city, which we will have to pay to repair and then have their shit lives improved, again at a cost to us just to encourage them not to do it again.

It's not like it happens often at all either. I would say that introducing new policing powers for riot situations would be a good start, so people know that this kind of thing is not acceptable and the risk they are taking is not worth it. The thing about this that makes me most angry is seeing this little scrotes walk around all cocky, thinking they can do what they like and the police can't touch them.
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If we need new regs, as opposed to tighter enforcement of current ones, so be it. I'm not enough of an expert to know whether there's slack in existing provisions which could be taken up.

But I think the changes we need go far, far deeper. Somehow (and no, I don't have any easy answers about how) we have to re-subscribe to a set of common values which remind us that we're all part of one society and re-stigmatise actions and attitudes which work against that fact. I'd add that this does NOT apply only to the selfish thugs looting our cities, but needs to be taken on board equally by the selfish thugs busy feathering their own nests much higher up the food chain.
 
I'm no Tory but this is what 15 years of bleedin heart lefties gets you.

Can't see a solution to all this. They ain't going to prison, they ain't get going to get jobs, they ain't going to contribute, they ain't going to even do their community service.

They've just upgraded tellys and games consoles, that's all.

Working and paying tax is for cunts thanks to Bliar. And you'll be paying for all this as well now.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46360.msg1376744#msg1376744 date=1312883443]
CSOs were indeed brought in by Labour, but there wasn't the same degree of reliance on them then.
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Really? There were 13,500 in 2007. There's approx 16,000 now. So although it's fair to say thee's more of them now I think the degree of reliance has increased through successive governments both Labour and Tory. We do rely to heavily on them though I agree. I did think the Conservatives were against PCSOs though and they were not going to force Chief Constables to spend a mandatory percentage of their budget on them
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376750#msg1376750 date=1312883740]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46360.msg1376742#msg1376742 date=1312883344]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376736#msg1376736 date=1312883074] most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
[/quote]

We haven't had any troops in Iraq for a couple of years now.

Community Support Officers were brought in by Labour.

It's just a cheap shot to blame the Tories. 🙂
[/quote]To be honest im just calling the government the tories. Its not about the colour of their ties Portly im more bothered about the systematic failings of the system. Im not into point scoring at all. This is our government and they are the ones failing.
[/quote]

I agree with that. Tories, Labour, Liberal - none of them have the right answer - nor do any of us for that matter. I don't blame any of them individually as parties. I blame a succession of bleeding heart PC do-gooders that have allowed this couldnt-give-a-fuck society to emerge. They can all fuck off. Life's hard for most people and you have to work at it. It's as simple as that.
 
There is a lot of talk about falling police numbers, but how much of this has actually happened in reality?

The home office website and the Met Police website don't suggest that it is an enormous reduction. Numbers have gone down but that is across all ranks, not just PCs. Also the number of Special constables (not to be confused with PCSOs - specials have the same power as regular police) has gone up in that time.

I'm not sure but I suspect that the number of police in the met isn't as drastically reduced as is made out.

They look stretched, that is certain, but I would suggest that anything on this scale at any time ever (even if it happened when police numbers were at record levels) would make the police look stretched.
 
Got a mate in Croydon. Texted him to see if was OK. He has a house he's developing about 800 yards from the Reeves fire. Didn't check it last night but will have to go today. He's a little worried about doing that as people are being attacked and apparently you can't even drive around without getting pelted with rocks. His kids are really scared and if it moves any closer to them he's going to move his family further South to his folks.

All for a cause then ? Social justice? Social deprivation ? Compete bollocks. Little bellends. They'll get a fucking hiding tonight hopefully and rightly so. I won't be bleating about police brutality if so. If any youth gets a serious injury or worse then they only have themselves and the shitty parenting they received to blame. They haven't thought twice about torching properties that people have been living above. Where's their concern for their community's welfare ? You know people bleat on about society this, politics and deprivation that but fuck it. Everyone has the ability as an individual to make the right or wrong choices. Only genuine mentally challenged people don't. Make the right choices and generally you reap the rewards of that. Make the wrong choices and so be it - but don't come crying when some scumbag who's made the wrong choices all their life ends up in hospital or worse. And, essentially that's how these kick offs started. As for the police, like all society, there's a bad element but also a large majority of decent people trying to earn a living. I'm on their side fully though at the moment. There's simply no cause or excuse for this shit other than we've allowed the young people to exist for too long without teaching them what discipline and respect truly is. And especially self respect because they have none.
 
This isn't a 'i hate the government riot let's be guy fawkes orsomething riot', this is just violence for the sake of violence and is inexcusable. Who the fuck would destroy their own city?
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376747#msg1376747 date=1312883579]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376736#msg1376736 date=1312883074]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376731#msg1376731 date=1312882844]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]

It's not.

(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[/quote]That should be the job of the police. And i dont think it is right that the Army (or more likely TA as most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
[/quote]

I don't really care whose job it is as long as a few of them get bludgeoned to death that's all that matters.
[/quote]

Like
 
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=46360.msg1376574#msg1376574 date=1312852458]
Apparently shops going up in town?
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Well fortunately it did not come to that and up to now it is fairly minor. It seems the Liverpool police dealt with it a bit more robustly and positively than in London, that said it was a much smaller scale and probably less stretched.
If they turn out again tonight we have to avoid it escalating and I think most of us are agreed then, we need to hear a few more batons crunching on heads, and being free to do so without worry of repercussions.

It also needs the community leaders taking a high profile supporting the police.

This is so important for the future of Liverpool that we keep the lid on it at all costs.

There are still apologists popping up, some Lecturer from Liverpool University on sky saying there must be social anger reasons for it, the deluded twat.
Is it a social issue they they go all the way out to Enfield to loot and set fore to an electrical distribution centre? - Is it fuck.

Thing that should worry people is that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and the extreme right don't need much of an excuse and will use this as an opportunity to drum up support and at the moment Joe Public is likely to be very easily convinced, after seeing mamby-pamby ineffective policing in London.


regards
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376783#msg1376783 date=1312887108]
Got a mate in Croydon. Texted him to see if was OK. He has a house he's developing about 800 yards from the Reeves fire. Didn't check it last night but will have to go today. He's a little worried about doing that as people are being attacked and apparently you can't even drive around without getting pelted with rocks. His kids are really scared and if it moves any closer to them he's going to move his family further South to his folks.

All for a cause then ? Social justice? Social deprivation ? Compete bollocks. Little bellends. They'll get a fucking hiding tonight hopefully and rightly so. I won't be bleating about police brutality if so. If any youth gets a serious injury or worse then they only have themselves and the shitty parenting they received to blame. They haven't thought twice about torching properties that people have been living above. Where's their concern for their community's welfare ? You know people bleat on about society this, politics and deprivation that but fuck it. Everyone has the ability as an individual to make the right or wrong choices. Only genuine mentally challenged people don't. Make the right choices and generally you reap the rewards of that. Make the wrong choices and so be it - but don't come crying when some scumbag who's made the wrong choices all their life ends up in hospital or worse. And, essentially that's how these kick offs started. As for the police, like all society, there's a bad element but also a large majority of decent people trying to earn a living. I'm on their side fully though at the moment. There's simply no cause or excuse for this shit other than we've allowed the young people to exist for too long without teaching them what discipline and respect truly is. And especially self respect because they have none.
[/quote]

Very well said.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376783#msg1376783 date=1312887108]
Got a mate in Croydon. Texted him to see if was OK. He has a house he's developing about 800 yards from the Reeves fire. Didn't check it last night but will have to go today. He's a little worried about doing that as people are being attacked and apparently you can't even drive around without getting pelted with rocks. His kids are really scared and if it moves any closer to them he's going to move his family further South to his folks.

All for a cause then ? Social justice? Social deprivation ? Compete bollocks. Little bellends. They'll get a fucking hiding tonight hopefully and rightly so. I won't be bleating about police brutality if so. If any youth gets a serious injury or worse then they only have themselves and the shitty parenting they received to blame. They haven't thought twice about torching properties that people have been living above. Where's their concern for their community's welfare ? You know people bleat on about society this, politics and deprivation that but fuck it. Everyone has the ability as an individual to make the right or wrong choices. Only genuine mentally challenged people don't. Make the right choices and generally you reap the rewards of that. Make the wrong choices and so be it - but don't come crying when some scumbag who's made the wrong choices all their life ends up in hospital or worse. And, essentially that's how these kick offs started. As for the police, like all society, there's a bad element but also a large majority of decent people trying to earn a living. I'm on their side fully though at the moment. There's simply no cause or excuse for this shit other than we've allowed the young people to exist for too long without teaching them what discipline and respect truly is. And especially self respect because they have none.
[/quote]

*claps wildly*
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=46360.msg1376786#msg1376786 date=1312887434]
This isn't a 'i hate the government riot let's be guy fawkes orsomething riot', this is just violence for the sake of violence and is inexcusable. Who the fuck would destroy their own city?
[/quote]

Heroically stupid people would

If you have a problem with government cuts, go out and cause damage that is going to cost loads more to repair, then logically what is likely to happen next?
 
On holiday, someone fill me in here, is it just scall's & chavs or is there any actual meaning behind it, like protesting at the cunts in charge in London?
 
Mr Vlad, I had heard on the grapevine that the hoodlums were going to target Liverpool one tonight but I assume the police will be wise to any move. Let's hope there is no further trouble up here anyway.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46360.msg1376794#msg1376794 date=1312888174]
On holiday, someone fill me in here, is it just scall's & chavs or is there any actual meaning behind it, like protesting at the cunts in charge in London?
[/quote]

Scalls and chavs mate. Started as a march as some dude was shot by police and killed. The full facts aren't known but this 'cause' is well forgotten now. It's simply about disorder and thieving now.
 
Ah right, if it were about the Government making us eat their shit after their fuck ups I'd have some sympathy for at least the cause, but that's just fucking vandalism on a grand scale.

Bring on the rubber bullets & water cannons, see how far the twats get then. My mate just text me & said a lot of the Liverpool thing has been blown out of proportion & it was simply a mass of scallies & not much more.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376783#msg1376783 date=1312887108]
Got a mate in Croydon. Texted him to see if was OK. He has a house he's developing about 800 yards from the Reeves fire. Didn't check it last night but will have to go today. He's a little worried about doing that as people are being attacked and apparently you can't even drive around without getting pelted with rocks. His kids are really scared and if it moves any closer to them he's going to move his family further South to his folks.

All for a cause then ? Social justice? Social deprivation ? Compete bollocks. Little bellends. They'll get a fucking hiding tonight hopefully and rightly so. I won't be bleating about police brutality if so. If any youth gets a serious injury or worse then they only have themselves and the shitty parenting they received to blame. They haven't thought twice about torching properties that people have been living above. Where's their concern for their community's welfare ? You know people bleat on about society this, politics and deprivation that but fuck it. Everyone has the ability as an individual to make the right or wrong choices. Only genuine mentally challenged people don't. Make the right choices and generally you reap the rewards of that. Make the wrong choices and so be it - but don't come crying when some scumbag who's made the wrong choices all their life ends up in hospital or worse. And, essentially that's how these kick offs started. As for the police, like all society, there's a bad element but also a large majority of decent people trying to earn a living. I'm on their side fully though at the moment. There's simply no cause or excuse for this shit other than we've allowed the young people to exist for too long without teaching them what discipline and respect truly is. And especially self respect because they have none.
[/quote]

Could not agree with you more.

"do unto other as you would do unto yourself"

I've seen people jumping out of there burning homes for there lives, I've heard of 8 policemen in hospital with serious injuries, I've heard of innocent members of the public in hospital with life threatening injuries, I think police firing water cannons at them and whacking them around the heads with batons is letting them off lightly and is the least that can be done.

I got a brand new shiny flat screen TV the other day. I worked my arse off 5 days a week saving part of my wages every month to be able to afford it. I'm not pissed off about this, I'm happy about it, because unlike some low life scum in this country I do not believe everything should be handed to me on a plate just because I live here, it should be earned through hard work. These people are pathetic, and they're lucky that our society is such a reformed one, people in Syria get killed for protesting basic freedoms, imagine what would happen to these scum bags.
 
Thing that should worry people is that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and the extreme right don't need much of an excuse and will use this as an opportunity to drum up support and at the moment Joe Public is likely to be very easily convinced, after seeing mamby-pamby ineffective policing in London.
Click to expand...

Good point.

Cameron's best bet now really is to tell the police to use all means necessary to contain the rioters, whatever it takes. It will upset a few lefties but when the law abiding public is in danger I think that kind of action is what people want to see.

If he doesn't start talking about tough action then someone else will, and I suspect it will be someone on the far right.
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376802#msg1376802 date=1312889222]
These people are pathetic, and they're lucky that our society is such a reformed one, people in Syria get killed for protesting basic freedoms, imagine what would happen to these scum bags.
[/quote]

Exactly. Our country and society is far from perfect but show me one that is. In fact, ours is far better than most.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46360.msg1376803#msg1376803 date=1312889316]
Thing that should worry people is that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and the extreme right don't need much of an excuse and will use this as an opportunity to drum up support and at the moment Joe Public is likely to be very easily convinced, after seeing mamby-pamby ineffective policing in London.
Click to expand...

Good point.

Cameron's best bet now really is to tell the police to use all means necessary to contain the rioters, whatever it takes. It will upset a few lefties but when the law abiding public is in danger I think that kind of action is what people want to see.

If he doesn't start talking about tough action then someone else will, and I suspect it will be someone on the far right.

[/quote]

Good points by both.
 
Shit, a lot can happen in one plane journey huh?

This was just over a page when I left and 15 now. Landed to pics from my bro showing Hackney fucked up. Seems like it's the local gangs there.

Might not be making much sense, awake for 36 hours with no help
 
This sums it up

tumblr_lpnmybPA4T1r1pwklo1_400.jpg


Fucking brainless
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46360.msg1376808#msg1376808 date=1312889765]
This sums it up

tumblr_lpnmybPA4T1r1pwklo1_400.jpg


Fucking brainless
[/quote]

Yep.

Should've nabbed the long grain.

As any fule kno.
 
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