Tottenham Riots
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I agree with Sunny. I feel very sorry for people who want to work and provide for their families but are not able to, but I have no sympathy for many of the 'people' who resort to tactics like this and seem to think that it is their right to do so.
Okay, a lot of them live shitty lives on shitty estates, but there are more opportunities in this country than in many others. I know its more difficult for some people than for other people but its ultimately up to them whether to take those opportunities isn't it? The attitude of some seems to be 'I grew up in a shit area, but someone else down the road was more fortunate than me and had access to more, therefore I am not going to go to school, not going to work and they can pay for me too'.
A few have tried to blame government cuts for this, but that is bullshit. Yes the government has cut council funding but that only kicked in this year. Are we supposed to believe that all of the people who have been rioting were happily involved in local government youth schemes 6 months ago and have now turned to rioting as soon as they have closed? Seems unlikely to me really, and even if it was the case then I don't think that's a great advert for youth centres anyway, that as soon as people leave them they start stealing and burning things down!
Not sure if I mentioned it here or elsewhere but if we are trying to make out that these people are disaffected and deprived etc. then we should be looking at what their local councils have done to improve their areas, as this is not a job for central government. In the case of Haringey for example, where the first riots happened, yes they have announced enormous cuts to youth services, housing and lots of other things that affect the poorest people but they drew the line at reducing the whopping £1 million plus they pay to councillors a year, half a million they spend on food and taxis and god knows what else they waste in other ways. So yes its easy to blame the government for cutting money but there is a layer in the middle that can sometimes be ignored in that process
Okay, a lot of them live shitty lives on shitty estates, but there are more opportunities in this country than in many others. I know its more difficult for some people than for other people but its ultimately up to them whether to take those opportunities isn't it? The attitude of some seems to be 'I grew up in a shit area, but someone else down the road was more fortunate than me and had access to more, therefore I am not going to go to school, not going to work and they can pay for me too'.
A few have tried to blame government cuts for this, but that is bullshit. Yes the government has cut council funding but that only kicked in this year. Are we supposed to believe that all of the people who have been rioting were happily involved in local government youth schemes 6 months ago and have now turned to rioting as soon as they have closed? Seems unlikely to me really, and even if it was the case then I don't think that's a great advert for youth centres anyway, that as soon as people leave them they start stealing and burning things down!
Not sure if I mentioned it here or elsewhere but if we are trying to make out that these people are disaffected and deprived etc. then we should be looking at what their local councils have done to improve their areas, as this is not a job for central government. In the case of Haringey for example, where the first riots happened, yes they have announced enormous cuts to youth services, housing and lots of other things that affect the poorest people but they drew the line at reducing the whopping £1 million plus they pay to councillors a year, half a million they spend on food and taxis and god knows what else they waste in other ways. So yes its easy to blame the government for cutting money but there is a layer in the middle that can sometimes be ignored in that process
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
The TA are on standby. Several people at my work are in it and they were being kitted up and given briefings last night.
Perhaps the police will be arresting any youth with new trainers on?
"You got a receipt for that sir?"
"You got a receipt for that sir?"
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
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We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376703#msg1376703 date=1312881776]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]BUNDLE!!!!!!!!!!11111
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]BUNDLE!!!!!!!!!!11111
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376703#msg1376703 date=1312881776]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376707#msg1376707 date=1312881869]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376703#msg1376703 date=1312881776]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]
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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376703#msg1376703 date=1312881776]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376698#msg1376698 date=1312881655]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376679#msg1376679 date=1312881047]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46360.msg1376672#msg1376672 date=1312880825]
The army is too far, however water cannons should be used. It's fucking embarrassing that our nation has to cancel a international event because of some poor cunts want to steal stuff and cause shit. I'm ashamed that they can be called British.
On a side note, and I doubt there is or that they'd admit to it, I wonder if anyone on the forums is involved on the rioters side of things.
[/quote]I doubt it, but given the amount of laptops robbed off of Currys we might get some new posters.
[/quote]
We'll have to keep a sharp lookout for any text speak. U knw wht I mn m8 ?
[/quote]
HE'S ONE OF THEM!
[/quote]
[/quote]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46360.msg1376693#msg1376693 date=1312881534]
The TA are on standby. Several people at my work are in it and they were being kitted up and given briefings last night.
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Interesting, I'm not sure this is the best approach, maybe I just don't want to see a situation where the Police lose control of our capital city to kids. Then again what can a police force of 30,000 do against a young adult population of well over >100,000. I do think water cannons should be used if the same happens tonight. Just think they'll double up as riot control and preliminary firefighting equipment lol.
The TA are on standby. Several people at my work are in it and they were being kitted up and given briefings last night.
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Interesting, I'm not sure this is the best approach, maybe I just don't want to see a situation where the Police lose control of our capital city to kids. Then again what can a police force of 30,000 do against a young adult population of well over >100,000. I do think water cannons should be used if the same happens tonight. Just think they'll double up as riot control and preliminary firefighting equipment lol.
Just read that apparently some cunts tried to petrol bomb a community centre in the town where I live, but fairly typically given the area in question, it seems they couldn't even get that right as the fucking thing failed to ignite and wasn't even capable of burning any part of the building. The fire brigade didn't even need to get the hoses out.
Not sure what is more pathetic really. People who smash up shops and burn buildings and cars or people who try to but are just too incompetent.
Not sure what is more pathetic really. People who smash up shops and burn buildings and cars or people who try to but are just too incompetent.
Agree in principle, but in practice I'd sooner see that happen than let the little gobsh!tes run riot.
Once this is sorted we have to take a long, hard look at what we need to do to avoid it happening again.
Once this is sorted we have to take a long, hard look at what we need to do to avoid it happening again.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
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It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]
It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46360.msg1376728#msg1376728 date=1312882706]
It seems to be a universal law with riots that they only happen when the weather is nice. When it is raining, they don't bother.
To me, that is why it is a mistake to blame unemployment, policing methods, the justice system etc. etc. etc..
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Blame Global warming!
It seems to be a universal law with riots that they only happen when the weather is nice. When it is raining, they don't bother.
To me, that is why it is a mistake to blame unemployment, policing methods, the justice system etc. etc. etc..
[/quote]
Blame Global warming!
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376731#msg1376731 date=1312882844]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]
It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[/quote]That should be the job of the police. And i dont think it is right that the Army (or more likely TA as most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]
It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[/quote]That should be the job of the police. And i dont think it is right that the Army (or more likely TA as most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
I sympathise with a fair bit of that, but the politics needs to wait until the immediate situation's been brought back under control.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46360.msg1376727#msg1376727 date=1312882600]
Agree in principle, but in practice I'd sooner see that happen than let the little gobsh!tes run riot.
Once this is sorted we have to take a long, hard look at what we need to do to avoid it happening again.
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Not that easy given that there will always be people around who will want something for nothing and get involved in violence when they think they can get away with it. I certainly don't like the idea that people can destroy parts of the city, which we will have to pay to repair and then have their shit lives improved, again at a cost to us just to encourage them not to do it again.
It's not like it happens often at all either. I would say that introducing new policing powers for riot situations would be a good start, so people know that this kind of thing is not acceptable and the risk they are taking is not worth it. The thing about this that makes me most angry is seeing this little scrotes walk around all cocky, thinking they can do what they like and the police can't touch them.
Agree in principle, but in practice I'd sooner see that happen than let the little gobsh!tes run riot.
Once this is sorted we have to take a long, hard look at what we need to do to avoid it happening again.
[/quote]
Not that easy given that there will always be people around who will want something for nothing and get involved in violence when they think they can get away with it. I certainly don't like the idea that people can destroy parts of the city, which we will have to pay to repair and then have their shit lives improved, again at a cost to us just to encourage them not to do it again.
It's not like it happens often at all either. I would say that introducing new policing powers for riot situations would be a good start, so people know that this kind of thing is not acceptable and the risk they are taking is not worth it. The thing about this that makes me most angry is seeing this little scrotes walk around all cocky, thinking they can do what they like and the police can't touch them.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376736#msg1376736 date=1312883074] most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
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We haven't had any troops in Iraq for a couple of years now.
Community Support Officers were brought in by Labour.
It's just a cheap shot to blame the Tories. 🙂
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We haven't had any troops in Iraq for a couple of years now.
Community Support Officers were brought in by Labour.
It's just a cheap shot to blame the Tories. 🙂
CSOs were indeed brought in by Labour, but there wasn't the same degree of reliance on them then.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376736#msg1376736 date=1312883074]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376731#msg1376731 date=1312882844]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]
It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[/quote]That should be the job of the police. And i dont think it is right that the Army (or more likely TA as most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
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I don't really care whose job it is as long as a few of them get bludgeoned to death that's all that matters.
[quote author=refugee link=topic=46360.msg1376731#msg1376731 date=1312882844]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46360.msg1376724#msg1376724 date=1312882473]
I hope the army doesnt need to be deployed.
I grew up in a country (as many on here did) that had the army patrol the streets. Its not something you want to see.
[/quote]
It's not.
(although I would really like to see some scumbags getting their comeuppance, preferably with some element of violence thrown in for good measure)
[/quote]That should be the job of the police. And i dont think it is right that the Army (or more likely TA as most of the minimal standing army we have left are killing foreign people in Afganistan and Iraq) should be able to dig the tories out of the fucking hole they have buried themselves in regarding policing numbers and the over reliance on 'Community support officers'
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I don't really care whose job it is as long as a few of them get bludgeoned to death that's all that matters.
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