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From The Times October 23, 2009

Fernando Torres ready to face Manchester United but Steven Gerrard will miss out

Tony Barrett

Liverpool are unlikely to have Steven Gerrard available for the visit of Manchester United on Sunday but Fernando Torres has recovered sufficiently from a groin strain to be almost certain to take his place in Rafael Benítez’s starting line-up.

Benítez has had mixed news on the injury front with Torres, the Spain forward, and Glen Johnson, the England right back who also has a groin strain, responding well to treatment on their injuries.

However, the chances of Gerrard being fit for action only five days after he trudged off the Anfield turf with a recurrence of his abdominal problem are considered remote.

The Liverpool manager is also likely to have to make do without the services of Albert Riera, who has a hamstring strain, Martin Kelly, who picked up an ankle injury in Tuesday’s defeat by Lyons, and Alberto Aquilani, who is expected to be given more time to prove his fitness having been out of action for seven months.

Aquilani, signed from Roma in the summer for a fee of £20 million, came through a 15-minute run-out for Liverpool’s reserve team on Wednesday night with no ill effects.

The midfield player said afterwards that his return to first-team action will be dependent on the club’s medical and coaching staff being totally satisfied that he is ready to begin his career in the Barclays Premier League. “I am so happy because I haven’t played for a long time,†Aquilani said. “It was only 15 minutes but it was very important for me and for my confidence. Training is OK but to play a game is better.

“It’s important that my fitness is right. I’m here for five years and when I start playing, I don’t want to stop. The fans want to see me play and I want to play but the staff will ensure I don’t play for the first team until they think I’m ready.â€

Having presided over Aquilani’s painstaking quest to regain full fitness, Benítez is loath to risk the Italy international before he is convinced that he is ready to deal with the rigours of Premier League football.

The chances are that the 25-year-old will have to wait until Liverpool meet Arsenal in the fourth round of the Carling Cup at the Emirates Stadium on Wednesday.

“It depends on how he [Aquilani] is physically,†Benítez said. “He has got very good levels of stamina but now he has to improve his sharpness.

“To get match fitness, he needs to play games and what we have to do is analyse carefully which game is the best and how long he will play for.

“Always with a new player we talk about the problems they have settling down because the Premier League is very quick and more physical. So for a new player who has been njured, like Alberto, it will be even more difficult.â€
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=36653.msg969198#msg969198 date=1256255124]
should not have risked gerrard for the Lyon game
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He was passed "fit" by the Club doctors.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969199#msg969199 date=1256255291]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=36653.msg969198#msg969198 date=1256255124]
should not have risked gerrard for the Lyon game
[/quote]

He was passed "fit" by the Club doctors.
[/quote]

Gerrad was carrying an injury into the game and rafa risked him, unfortunatly for us the gamble didn't pay off.
 
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
 
After the way torres scared the shit out of Vidic at old trafford, it would have to be him. Vidic will no doubt have that performance in the back of his mind. Which will give torres a massive edge.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36653.msg969202#msg969202 date=1256255944]
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
[/quote]

No contest we can just about get by without Gerrard, but without someone that looks like a forward up front we are toothless

regards
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36653.msg969202#msg969202 date=1256255944]
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
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Both are as important :-\

But i will pick Torres for this round up. Without him, our team doesnt look any capable of scoring. >🙁
 
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969231#msg969231 date=1256266381]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
[/quote]

Yeah you're right, i'm wrong. So after he was out injured for 3 months and given a 15mins run out in the reserves and now he should start the game on Sunday. Yeah. Just like what Rafael did to Gerrard, played 24 minutes and get injured again. Maybe we should start Gerrard too. What you think piggy?
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36653.msg969213#msg969213 date=1256258461]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36653.msg969202#msg969202 date=1256255944]
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
[/quote]

No contest we can just about get by without Gerrard, but without someone that looks like a forward up front we are toothless

regards
[/quote]

While I agree with you about being toothless up front without Torres, not having Gerrard running through the middle leaves us with a wider gap than Courtney Love.

What's Igor Biscan up to these days?
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36653.msg969213#msg969213 date=1256258461]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36653.msg969202#msg969202 date=1256255944]
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
[/quote]

No contest we can just about get by without Gerrard, but without someone that looks like a forward up front we are toothless

regards
[/quote]

While I agree with you about being toothless up front without Torres, not having Gerrard running through the middle leaves us with a wider gap than Courtney Love.

What's Igor Biscan up to these days?
[/quote]

If Rafael give Babel a chance, he and Torres up front. Kuyt at right wing.

--------------Reina

--Johnson---Carra--Agger--Insua

--Kuyt--------Mascher--Lucas--Benayoun

---------------Babel---Torres

We are fucked in the middle but hey Lucas is all we have because Rafael sign an injury prone midfielder to replace Alonso.
 
I just don't think we can win with that midfield, though (Insua instead of Aurelio aside) the rest of the lineup is more or less how I would pick it.

Many on here laughed at United fielding a duo of Carrick and Fletcher last year. We have a far worse pairing in Mascherano and Lucas. Mascher is absolutely boss at what he does well but he has yet to really function without either Alonso or Gerrard alongside him. Lucas can look decent when not expected to carry the offensive load in midfield and is just asked to help keep the ball ticking over. Together they look catastrophically clueless and the team lacks any bite, regardless of how many attackers we play up front and on the flanks.
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36653.msg969243#msg969243 date=1256269283]
I just don't think we can win with that midfield, though (Insua instead of Aurelio aside) the rest of the lineup is more or less how I would pick it.

Many on here laughed at United fielding a duo of Carrick and Fletcher last year. We have a far worse pairing in Mascherano and Lucas. Mascher is absolutely boss at what he does well but he has yet to really function without either Alonso or Gerrard alongside him. Lucas can look decent when not expected to carry the offensive load in midfield and is just asked to help keep the ball ticking over. Together they look catastrophically clueless and the team lacks any bite, regardless of how many attackers we play up front and on the flanks.
[/quote]

So now? As piggy wants earlier on, Aquilani to start then?
 
I hope Aquilani starts or this game will hurt. Looks doubtful, but I really think we're in a bad spot if Lucas and Mascherano start with Yossi in the hole. I hate that I'm turning into DB, but I can't logically see how this can end well for us without 1 of Gerrard/Aquilani.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969245#msg969245 date=1256269676]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36653.msg969243#msg969243 date=1256269283]
I just don't think we can win with that midfield, though (Insua instead of Aurelio aside) the rest of the lineup is more or less how I would pick it.

Many on here laughed at United fielding a duo of Carrick and Fletcher last year. We have a far worse pairing in Mascherano and Lucas. Mascher is absolutely boss at what he does well but he has yet to really function without either Alonso or Gerrard alongside him. Lucas can look decent when not expected to carry the offensive load in midfield and is just asked to help keep the ball ticking over. Together they look catastrophically clueless and the team lacks any bite, regardless of how many attackers we play up front and on the flanks.
[/quote]

So now? As piggy wants earlier on, Aquilani to start then?
[/quote]

I certainly can't wait to see him in the lineup but I'm worried that an unfit start to his Liverpool career, esp against United might dash everyone's high expectations. I'm genuinely not sure if he should start or not. I just know that it will take a special performance from us (or an inept one from United) for us to win.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969235#msg969235 date=1256267736]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969231#msg969231 date=1256266381]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
[/quote]

Yeah you're right, i'm wrong. So after he was out injured for 3 months and given a 15mins run out in the reserves and now he should start the game on Sunday. Yeah. Just like what Rafael did to Gerrard, played 24 minutes and get injured again. Maybe we should start Gerrard too. What you think piggy?
[/quote]

I think you're a hopless mentalist.

Regardless of what injuries or fitness Torres does or doesn't have, you said he need "mathc fitness" then propose putting him on the bench.

Do you not see your massive contradiction there?

Why the fuck did I just bother?
 
---------------Reina--------------

Johnson--Carra-Agger-Insua

---Mascher---Lucas--Aurelio--

---Kuyt------------Yossi---------

------------Torres----------------

I think we might see something like this.
 
we need yossi to be playing behind torres

reina
johnson carra agger aurelio
masch lucas
kuyt yossi babel
torres

this is the best we lineup we could play
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969241#msg969241 date=1256268735]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36653.msg969237#msg969237 date=1256267927]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36653.msg969213#msg969213 date=1256258461]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36653.msg969202#msg969202 date=1256255944]
If you had to choose, would you rather Gerrard or Torres fit for Sunday?
[/quote]

No contest we can just about get by without Gerrard, but without someone that looks like a forward up front we are toothless

regards
[/quote]

While I agree with you about being toothless up front without Torres, not having Gerrard running through the middle leaves us with a wider gap than Courtney Love.

What's Igor Biscan up to these days?
[/quote]

If Rafael give Babel a chance, he and Torres up front. Kuyt at right wing.

--------------Reina

--Johnson---Carra--Agger--Insua

--Kuyt--------Mascher--Lucas--Benayoun

---------------Babel---Torres

We are fucked in the middle but hey Lucas is all we have because Rafael sign an injury prone midfielder to replace Alonso.
[/quote]

You do realise that both Lucas and Mascherano played when we battered United 4-1 at Old Trafford?

Maybe not.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969235#msg969235 date=1256267736]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969231#msg969231 date=1256266381]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
[/quote]

Yeah you're right, i'm wrong. So after he was out injured for 3 months and given a 15mins run out in the reserves and now he should start the game on Sunday. Yeah. Just like what Rafael did to Gerrard, played 24 minutes and get injured again. Maybe we should start Gerrard too. What you think piggy?
[/quote]

Wow, you really are thick aren't you? You even managed to misread your own fucking post.

Just a reminder, you were talking about Torres, not Aquilani.
 
Glock, wise up man. You are your own worst enemy around here.
Shame about Gerrard but seeing as it was always going to be Lucas & Mascherano in the middle it doesn't make a huge difference to the team. It does probably mean Babel could play on the left.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=36653.msg969300#msg969300 date=1256284303]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969235#msg969235 date=1256267736]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969231#msg969231 date=1256266381]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
[/quote]

Yeah you're right, i'm wrong. So after he was out injured for 3 months and given a 15mins run out in the reserves and now he should start the game on Sunday. Yeah. Just like what Rafael did to Gerrard, played 24 minutes and get injured again. Maybe we should start Gerrard too. What you think piggy?
[/quote]

Wow, you really are thick aren't you? You even managed to misread your own fucking post.

Just a reminder, you were talking about Torres, not Aquilani.
[/quote]

It's gone beyond embarrassing, Glock should be banned for his own good.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=36653.msg969300#msg969300 date=1256284303]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969235#msg969235 date=1256267736]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36653.msg969231#msg969231 date=1256266381]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

So there you go... "He needs match fitness" but we should only let him play in a third of the match.

What a fucking whopper.
[/quote]

Yeah you're right, i'm wrong. So after he was out injured for 3 months and given a 15mins run out in the reserves and now he should start the game on Sunday. Yeah. Just like what Rafael did to Gerrard, played 24 minutes and get injured again. Maybe we should start Gerrard too. What you think piggy?
[/quote]

Wow, you really are thick aren't you? You even managed to misread your own fucking post.

Just a reminder, you were talking about Torres, not Aquilani.
[/quote]

Hahaha.

You'll never get an answer on this, I'm afraid. Would be interesting though.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36653.msg969224#msg969224 date=1256263522]
Had Rafael been good enough on signing Bosman players or in the transfer market would not be saying this. Too relying on these to players. I hope Torres don't start the game and risk him like Rafael did to Gerrard, he needs match fitness and bring him on in the last 30 mins or so.
[/quote]

Putting to one side my lingering suspicion that you're actually a Benny Hill character from the 1970s, can you remind me which Bosman players you recommended to Rafael?
 
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