This Old Lady Can
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I think you're missing the point. Even if we put in a release clause of 10 million (we wouldn't), it would be better than losing him for free.
I'm not missing the point, if you get him on a new deal you secure his services again and get yourself back in a strong position. You don't give him a clause that's begging to be activated, if he signs on again it's because we want him here long-term. It'd have to be an amount that's worth it to us and realistic to him, it's a dangerous road to go down. He'd never agree to a clause that wasn't realistic and the market is volatile, anything can change in a short space of time.
But no matter what happens to the market, the clause will be higher than free.
I think the point that some our making is that we're resigned to losing him. Which means switch the mind to a business one instead of football and just give him a lucrative contract that's worth more than what he should realistically get, with a clause inserted so he can be off in the summer.
He gets more money, we make some money.
If Can moves on which I hope not, we should perhaps consider Werder captain Thomas Delaney. He's been on fire since joining the Bundesliga outfit and is everything you'd want from a box to box midfielder.
Scores from headers, long shots and from deep runs into the penalty area. Never stops running and tackling and fighting. A true leader on the pitch. Good skill both on the ball and without it.
Him, Keita and Wijnaldum would be a force of nature.
Just saying like..
Scores from headers, long shots and from deep runs into the penalty area. Never stops running and tackling and fighting. A true leader on the pitch. Good skill both on the ball and without it.
Him, Keita and Wijnaldum would be a force of nature.
Just saying like..
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I've given up worrying about players leaving. Some will, some won't. LFC will go on.
Yeah but then again Can is boss and others aren't.
Can's been boss for a bit, when it's suited him, he's also been shite alot too. Which more or less sums up about half of our squad.
You think he wanted to not play well? Like he had some sort of agenda?
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No, I think he's upped his game when it's suited him. Whatever the reason, he hasn't always been "boss", has he? He's been hit and miss.
A lot of young players are hit and miss. Especially in a role where you dictate the rythm of the game. I think he allways seem to give what he got....
I think he's hit and miss because that's been his level. Don't think it's anything to do with him switching on or feeling motivated for particular games.
Either way I want him signed so we can sell him. Not arsed if he leaves but want some £ coming in to replace him if possible.
Seeing as people resurrect this thread whenever he has a good game, thought I'd reciprocate.
Ahem...
He's fucking shit. Do one to Juve you slick-bonced kraut bell end.
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He's fucking shit. Do one to Juve you slick-bonced kraut bell end.
Indeed. Good players are consistently good. That's it. there's no fucking mystery, it's what makes them good players.
True, but Can's now only about a year and a half younger than Gerrard was when he won the Champions League. Okay, Gerrard was truly exceptional, but all the same: Viera was bossing games consistently at Can's age, so was Roy Keane. It's about standards and ambition and talent. At a big club, 23/24 is no longer an age for showing potential, it's an age for realising potential. Can needs to forget all about holding the club to ransom with his contract talks and get his head down and prove he's as good as he thinks he is, week after week after week. He'll be 24 in January, it's time for him to step up to another level, with much higher professional standards.
From Melissa Reddy:
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Why Juventus target Can hasn't signed a new Liverpool deal
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Why Juventus target Can hasn't signed a new Liverpool deal
- Jake Cohen explains to Goal how discussions around release clauses are usually mapped out...
EXPLAINING RELEASE CLAUSES
"In football, we generally see two types of release clauses: actual release clauses, and what are called 'good faith' release clauses," he details.
"Actual release clauses will oblige the player’s club to sell the player to a club who meets the terms and conditions specified in the clause. These terms and conditions can vary, but clubs will often try to structure it in way that will prevent a direct competitor from activating the clause.
"For example, a Premier League club may disqualify other English top-flight clubs from activating the clause. Also, Portuguese sides tend to set the triggering amount for clubs in their division at triple or even quadruple the amount set for all others.
"Release clauses can also include terms and conditions which may cause the the triggering amount to fluctuate. For example, if the club is relegated or fails to meet a performance condition, the triggering amount may be reduced. Alternatively, the triggering amount may increase based on performance conditions or simply based on subsequent contract years.
"A 'good faith' release clause is essentially meaningless, as it merely obliges the player’s club to consider the bid and enter into good faith discussions over the potential sale of the player. An example of a 'good faith' release clause was with Luis Suarez.
"When Arsenal offered Liverpool more than £40m (specifically, £1 more) for Suarez in August 2013, this did not place Liverpool under any obligation to sell the Uruguayan to the Gunners."
WHY CAN IS IN A STRONG POSITION
Cohen adds: "Can will likely be able to exert substantial leverage in negotiations with Liverpool. Generally, the time left on a top player's existing contract directly correlates to the amount of leverage the player will be able to exert in negotiations.
"As the player's contract winds down, his leverage will increase, as his value as an asset to the club will depreciate, and there is always a risk that the player will play out his contract.
"Furthermore, if the midfielder does decide to leave on a free transfer, Liverpool will not be entitled to a compensation fee set by the PFCC, as he will have turned 24 by the time his contract expires in June.
"In Can's case, if a suitor would otherwise be willing to pay a substantial transfer fee for his services and then sign him to a long-term contract, it follows that if that same suitor could sign Can on a free transfer, it would be willing to divert some portion of the transfer fee it would have otherwise had to pay to Liverpool into the player's personal compensation package.
"This is a strong position to be negotiating from."
WHAT NEXT FOR LIVERPOOL & CAN?
The Frankfurt-born player has consistently stated "I'm very happy at Liverpool. In the future, I can play here for many years" when the subject of agreeing a new contract has come up.
While it is the job of his agents to secure the foremost possible terms, for him, it is "never about the money. It is about the future, what happens."
The next deal Can signs will be, as Klopp correctly noted, a really important one for his career and the midfielder has wanted assurances over his status at the club as well as to be playing in the Champions League regularly and contesting for honours.
The Reds boss wants to keep hold of his countryman and with both parties ultimately wanting the same conclusion, it would be wise to find compromise over the clause.
Liverpool would be willing to agree a lower release amount that couldn't be triggered by their domestic rivals and would not immediately apply, if Can's wage demands decreased.- Alternatively, they would make him a top earner if the escape figure could be closer to his actual value.
Juventus are hoping neither situation materialises and they profit from it by opening dialogue with Can in January, but it would be a shame for Liverpool to wave goodbye to a player they don't want to lose, who doesn't really want to leave Anfield and still has his best years ahead of him
Still firmly in the not bothered camp.
His best games have come when he wants a big fat contract.
Fuck off
His best games have come when he wants a big fat contract.
Fuck off
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