A ship, my friend. A ship. This is Liverpool.
Thiago.... Ja ????
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A ship, my friend. A ship. This is Liverpool.
Such a shame we have to let go of Gini to bring in thaigo in an ideal world we would have both...Gini workrate is underrated and considering this midfield main task is workrate I worry we will lose that edge in those games...but I suppose what we lose in a bit of workrate we gain a lot in creativity.
Up to a point they do.
They run LFC much like the Red Sox, and there are loads of parallels between the clubs. Everything you said above happened with the Red Sox too. And I always say we're only a couple of years behind the Red Sox.
So I'm a little perturbed by the Red Sox recently trading a generational talent away to avoid paying him.
Yes but Gini is practically never injured playing in the most demanding league in the world. Thiago has played less games because he has been injured more often. Gini has been extremely reliable, and he's clearly a very intelligent player in his own right. We bought him as an AM, and he has played a much more controlled role for us. He's been an excellent acquisition.
We've been talking about the "final piece of the jigsaw" for fucking decades and just when the picture it pretty much perfect, we start asking if some pieces are actually necessary.
I realise that's a shit analogy and we can't just keep the same pieces and expect the picture to stay intact.
I'm just not as ready as some to dismiss any of the current pieces that got us here.
I realise that's a shit analogy and we can't just keep the same pieces and expect the picture to stay intact.
I'm just not as ready as some to dismiss any of the current pieces that got us here.
To be fair its inevitable when you build a team the way we did you simply wont be able to hang onto all of them. We all assumed Mané or Salah would be first to go. Those would be much harder to replace.
Im not one of those who dismisses Gini as a simple water carrier, hes a very important player for us. But Keita has always looked like his replacement in the long term, I guess its time for him to step up and take on that mantle. Thiago will give us different options.
Im not one of those who dismisses Gini as a simple water carrier, hes a very important player for us. But Keita has always looked like his replacement in the long term, I guess its time for him to step up and take on that mantle. Thiago will give us different options.
Its Ok, Gini has had the Newcastle experience, so he gets how badly run clubs work. Also the Barca fans will probably think they are getting a footballing God given his performance against them in last seasons CL semi-final.
Wasnt Mookie Betts transfer basically a salary dump? I dont know a lot of details, but hasn't FSG's strategy been build a great team, trade some of the stars to control salary, and build another championship-winning team in a few years. The structure of US sports allows for that model - no relegation, no qualifying for champions league, salary cap, etc. Again, I don't follow baseball that closely but with four championships in 16 years, I think FSG know a lot more about baseball than football.
I wonder how many of us on here would take that - 16 years of FSG and 4 league titles.
I think Gini is a quite remarkable player - the different roles he plays for Netherlands and Liverpool, and the success he's had in both... but there does not seem to be progress in contract talks so I'd be very happy right now to get Thiago on a longer deal using the Gini money.
Three more titles in the next six years. Count me in.
Red Sox have done fuck all in Europe though.
Perhaps, but how have they fared at AFCON?
We wont get a good price for him, thats pretty much inevitable as he can sign a precontract for free in Jan. £20m tops, and knowing Barca it will be staggered over the next decade
Contraire opinion maybe, and one I struggle with as I love Gini and would rather he says, but isn't this exactly what we should be doing? Just look at Bayern of a few years ago, and Barca of now, the problem with great sides is they get old, players like Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger, and Suarez, Alba, Pique respectively, they are clearly still very much at the top of their games, but they're the wrong side of 30, and they're asking for the biggest contracts of their lives. Their ability justifies the contracts and they've proved their worth in the preceding years with the clubs, so of course they want a last big payday, but it's going to cause a real problem for a club to keep improving and staying at the top, these players will decline from the moment they sign, they take up huge resources to keep, hang around past their worth, and they prevent younger players who could quite possibly become the next versions of them from coming through. Basically the clubs stagnate, and get left with hugely expensive players they cant shift, who once were the best, but now are just old, unless of course they can just spend their way through the issue.
Surely, for a club like us who can't spend their way through the problem, the only sensible option is not to give these players that last contract, otherwise you could quite easily get to a situation where we have 30+ year old Virgil, Gini, Henderson, Fabinho, Salah, Mane and Firmino, and we're looking at having to rebuild the entire team, whilst having the majority of our budget in these players contracts, it simply wouldn't be possible.
Now I know this post isn't really helped by the fact that Thiago would only be a year younger than Gini, but personally I do think he's got a little longer left in him due to their physical requirement of Gini's game, but the point remains anyway. As a club we're always going to be operating to make a lot more out of a limited budget, and thats fine, twatting City all over the park in Europe and beating them to the title by four million points is made all the sweeter by the fact we spent fuck all. The downside with that though is sometimes we're going to have make tough and seemingly bad decisions to keep the finances of this club right, Gini is the first of these I feel, and I 100% don't agree with losing Gini, however I do agree with the approach the clubs taking.
People complain we don't spend money, but that's because you're all transfixed on the transfer fees, we have four of the best players in the world (Ali, Virg, Mane and Salah) and they'll all be pushing £300k on their incentivised contracts, this is why we don't sign anyone, because the budget is all spent on keeping them whilst they're at their best. The contracts don't over extend the club though, and it'll be their turn not to be renewed, or sold early, next, and again it'll seem premature at the time, even reckless, and we'll all moan, but this is what we have to do as a club to be able to keep growing and stay at the top of our game.
Surely, for a club like us who can't spend their way through the problem, the only sensible option is not to give these players that last contract, otherwise you could quite easily get to a situation where we have 30+ year old Virgil, Gini, Henderson, Fabinho, Salah, Mane and Firmino, and we're looking at having to rebuild the entire team, whilst having the majority of our budget in these players contracts, it simply wouldn't be possible.
Now I know this post isn't really helped by the fact that Thiago would only be a year younger than Gini, but personally I do think he's got a little longer left in him due to their physical requirement of Gini's game, but the point remains anyway. As a club we're always going to be operating to make a lot more out of a limited budget, and thats fine, twatting City all over the park in Europe and beating them to the title by four million points is made all the sweeter by the fact we spent fuck all. The downside with that though is sometimes we're going to have make tough and seemingly bad decisions to keep the finances of this club right, Gini is the first of these I feel, and I 100% don't agree with losing Gini, however I do agree with the approach the clubs taking.
People complain we don't spend money, but that's because you're all transfixed on the transfer fees, we have four of the best players in the world (Ali, Virg, Mane and Salah) and they'll all be pushing £300k on their incentivised contracts, this is why we don't sign anyone, because the budget is all spent on keeping them whilst they're at their best. The contracts don't over extend the club though, and it'll be their turn not to be renewed, or sold early, next, and again it'll seem premature at the time, even reckless, and we'll all moan, but this is what we have to do as a club to be able to keep growing and stay at the top of our game.
Agreed.. we mustn't let this team get too old. Why Werner would have been perfect for us. But oh well.
The contracts don't overextend us, they just mean we can't afford to sign any players?
That's basically the definition of overextended.
That's basically the definition of overextended.
Yeah the best teams are ruthless in that way. I remember being gutted as a little kid when paisley got shut of McDermott and Kennedy, but older people in the room explained it. They're turning thirty, doesn't matter how good they look now. If they were a horse you'd shoot them.
It makes sense if we were to let Gini go and find a younger cheaper model to replace him.
Thiago is a different type of player in exactly the same position as Gini.
It's a depressing point in life when you write off players as past it or on their way out and realise they're a decade younger than you...
Just wait till you turn 50 bru
By next summer Hendo, Gini, VvD and Matip will all have passed 30. Firmino, Shaq and Mane will hit 30 before that season ends. Its not that weve been too ruthless, if anything weve been the opposite. We need to bring in 5 or 6 new first team players in the next 18 - 24 months in my opinion which is why this summer was so critical.
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