The Worst Liverpool Manager Ever?
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42011.msg1180734#msg1180734 date=1285196622]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42011.msg1180733#msg1180733 date=1285196436]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180543#msg1180543 date=1285191533]
So, is he? Is the hapless, budgie-faced old twat the worst since Souness?
What a fucking shambles of an appointment he has been.
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Ha ha. After 12 games.
Nice call. And its a bit strange you call so many others not so bright when you make this claim after a handful of games in a cup comp where the big teams often go out against poor teams.
We had a weaker side out so I'm not to bothered.
The league is what matters.
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err, i think you'd better sit down mr dreambeliever, sir....
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Obviously its a bad day at the office but not the end of the world.
Everyone knows we have a weak squad (thanks Rafa) but a strong first 11.
We just need to get them on the pitch in the prem.
Our next 5 games are massive but I think everyone will see a big change. We have to many winners to not bounce back.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42011.msg1180733#msg1180733 date=1285196436]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180543#msg1180543 date=1285191533]
So, is he? Is the hapless, budgie-faced old twat the worst since Souness?
What a fucking shambles of an appointment he has been.
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Ha ha. After 12 games.
Nice call. And its a bit strange you call so many others not so bright when you make this claim after a handful of games in a cup comp where the big teams often go out against poor teams.
We had a weaker side out so I'm not to bothered.
The league is what matters.
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err, i think you'd better sit down mr dreambeliever, sir....
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Obviously its a bad day at the office but not the end of the world.
Everyone knows we have a weak squad (thanks Rafa) but a strong first 11.
We just need to get them on the pitch in the prem.
Our next 5 games are massive but I think everyone will see a big change. We have to many winners to not bounce back.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42011.msg1180735#msg1180735 date=1285196812]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42011.msg1180733#msg1180733 date=1285196436]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180543#msg1180543 date=1285191533]
So, is he? Is the hapless, budgie-faced old twat the worst since Souness?
What a fucking shambles of an appointment he has been.
[/quote]
Ha ha. After 12 games.
Nice call. And its a bit strange you call so many others not so bright when you make this claim after a handful of games in a cup comp where the big teams often go out against poor teams.
We had a weaker side out so I'm not to bothered.
The league is what matters.
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And things are going swimmingly there. You're strange. When we won MANY points, you were miserable, and now we continue to hemorrhage points at an unprecedented rate this season, you've got bags of confidence.
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The goal posts have changed. for the last 2 years everyone wanted first including myself and I knew it wasn't going to happen even when were leading the bloody thing under Rafa. So it was very frustrating.
This season my expectations are 4th or 3rd and I still believe on what I've seen and the fact that all teams bar Chelsea are dropping points that we can get that comfortably.
The players need time to adapt to Roy and to the new signings but its happening.
The passing at OT was the first big sign our style of play is changing even if the result went against us.
Last night was shite, but our fringe players have been dog shite for a number of years now so no surprise there.
Nice to see N'Gog score again though.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42011.msg1180733#msg1180733 date=1285196436]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180543#msg1180543 date=1285191533]
So, is he? Is the hapless, budgie-faced old twat the worst since Souness?
What a fucking shambles of an appointment he has been.
[/quote]
Ha ha. After 12 games.
Nice call. And its a bit strange you call so many others not so bright when you make this claim after a handful of games in a cup comp where the big teams often go out against poor teams.
We had a weaker side out so I'm not to bothered.
The league is what matters.
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And things are going swimmingly there. You're strange. When we won MANY points, you were miserable, and now we continue to hemorrhage points at an unprecedented rate this season, you've got bags of confidence.
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The goal posts have changed. for the last 2 years everyone wanted first including myself and I knew it wasn't going to happen even when were leading the bloody thing under Rafa. So it was very frustrating.
This season my expectations are 4th or 3rd and I still believe on what I've seen and the fact that all teams bar Chelsea are dropping points that we can get that comfortably.
The players need time to adapt to Roy and to the new signings but its happening.
The passing at OT was the first big sign our style of play is changing even if the result went against us.
Last night was shite, but our fringe players have been dog shite for a number of years now so no surprise there.
Nice to see N'Gog score again though.
Ultimately, Lucas + Spearing in the middle of the park isn't going to do it, regardless of the opposition and the responsibility for that lies on Roy. I'm far from against him and am determined to support him as he performs his job but, Carling Cup or not, that combination is lacking, well, everything. I didn't manage to see the game but it sounds like we were shit all over. Some players like Jovanovic + N'Gog + Agger will be getting significant first team action this season and need to play like they deserve it. Some, like Babel, are getting their final chances. And others, like Wilson and Kelly, are promising but very inexperienced.
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180812#msg1180812 date=1285223353]
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
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I think that is a very good point.
Roy has a responsibility to pick players that can function as a unit. So far he has failed to do that in almost all competition we have played in so far.
I hope Roy gets a clue pretty damn fast...it's getting ugly.
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
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I think that is a very good point.
Roy has a responsibility to pick players that can function as a unit. So far he has failed to do that in almost all competition we have played in so far.
I hope Roy gets a clue pretty damn fast...it's getting ugly.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42011.msg1180817#msg1180817 date=1285223925]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180812#msg1180812 date=1285223353]
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
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I think that is a very good point.
Roy has a responsibility to pick players that can function as a unit. So far he has failed to do that in almost all competition we have played in so far.
I hope Roy gets a clue pretty damn fast...it's getting ugly.
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It's the choices in center midfield that are instantly damning much as it was with Rafa. Playing Lucas + Spearing will not work, just as Lucas + Mascherano did not work. And I'm not intending to bash on Lucas either because (as I've stated in the past) I don't necessarily have anything against him but at least one of the two central midifielders must be a dynamic player capable of receiving and distributing the ball, spreading the play to the outside, or pushing on a penetrating run. Xabi did that. Stevie does that. I hope to god Meireles will be able to do that. Shelvey might be able to do it. Lucas doesn't. Mascherano didn't (despite being a magnificent player). And Jay Spearing, despite all the effort in the world, damn well can't either.
With such limited players in midfield, it's going to take a magical day for ANY striker to look half decent up front. No service, no goals. No threat in the middle, wingers get closed down. Simple as. I would have rather seen Shelvey alongside Lucas than Spearing because at least Shelvey has an eye for a pass and can make runs. It may not have worked either but there would at least have been an element of threat.
We used to have "the best midfield in the world" (TM) just a few short years ago and now it's a a glaring weakness. What the fuck is up with that?
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180812#msg1180812 date=1285223353]
While it was far from our first team on the pitch, it is the manager's job to put out a team with some degree of chemistry and give them an effective tactical scheme to work with. It doesn't sound like that happened yesterday and this was one of my major problems with Rafa's reign: the first team, when everyone was healthy, worked reasonably well but, when resting players due to injury or opting to play the squaddies, we look like a second division Armenian team. This was one of my real hopes for Roy's tenure: that he would play some more of the youth/younger players (which he is showing signs of doing) and that they wouldn't look totally shit when he did, due to either their own abilities or the tactics/lineup selected. Moreover, Roy doesn't seem to be making effectives substitutions as yet either. Hope he can learn fast what it takes to run a squad with more than just vague aspirations for Champions League qualification.
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I think that is a very good point.
Roy has a responsibility to pick players that can function as a unit. So far he has failed to do that in almost all competition we have played in so far.
I hope Roy gets a clue pretty damn fast...it's getting ugly.
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It's the choices in center midfield that are instantly damning much as it was with Rafa. Playing Lucas + Spearing will not work, just as Lucas + Mascherano did not work. And I'm not intending to bash on Lucas either because (as I've stated in the past) I don't necessarily have anything against him but at least one of the two central midifielders must be a dynamic player capable of receiving and distributing the ball, spreading the play to the outside, or pushing on a penetrating run. Xabi did that. Stevie does that. I hope to god Meireles will be able to do that. Shelvey might be able to do it. Lucas doesn't. Mascherano didn't (despite being a magnificent player). And Jay Spearing, despite all the effort in the world, damn well can't either.
With such limited players in midfield, it's going to take a magical day for ANY striker to look half decent up front. No service, no goals. No threat in the middle, wingers get closed down. Simple as. I would have rather seen Shelvey alongside Lucas than Spearing because at least Shelvey has an eye for a pass and can make runs. It may not have worked either but there would at least have been an element of threat.
We used to have "the best midfield in the world" (TM) just a few short years ago and now it's a a glaring weakness. What the fuck is up with that?
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
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Change the fucking record.
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
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Change the fucking record.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
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Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
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Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
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Think it was rage or zlatan.
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
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Think it was rage or zlatan.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
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Change the fucking record.
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Yup, Spidey, you're sounding like a non-capitalised-beginning-of-sentences Brendan. Or Glock. Who increasingly sound the same of late.
Edit: See Brendan's post. That was timely.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
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Change the fucking record.
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Yup, Spidey, you're sounding like a non-capitalised-beginning-of-sentences Brendan. Or Glock. Who increasingly sound the same of late.
Edit: See Brendan's post. That was timely.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. [/quote]
I'm not maing excuses for him but it sounds to me (had to listen to the game) that the defense/midfield weren't getting the ball to him fast enough or accurately enough. maybe in that case he should have dropped deeper to pick up the ball, what was really disappoint is after watching the game roy didn't swap the positions of pataches with babel, who (patches) was clearly not comfortable playing in a wide position.
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. [/quote]
I'm not maing excuses for him but it sounds to me (had to listen to the game) that the defense/midfield weren't getting the ball to him fast enough or accurately enough. maybe in that case he should have dropped deeper to pick up the ball, what was really disappoint is after watching the game roy didn't swap the positions of pataches with babel, who (patches) was clearly not comfortable playing in a wide position.
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180832#msg1180832 date=1285225663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
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Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
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Yeah, sorry it wasn't an argument against your post, I was just commenting on you saying about service. I really thought a couple of the senior players last night would have stepped up and took responsibility, which is why I pointed out about N'Gog at least bagging a goal again.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
[/quote]
Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
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Yeah, sorry it wasn't an argument against your post, I was just commenting on you saying about service. I really thought a couple of the senior players last night would have stepped up and took responsibility, which is why I pointed out about N'Gog at least bagging a goal again.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180837#msg1180837 date=1285225777]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180832#msg1180832 date=1285225663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
[/quote]
Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
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Yeah, sorry it wasn't an argument against your post, I was just commenting on you saying about service. I really thought a couple of the senior players last night would have stepped up and took responsibility, which is why I pointed out about N'Gog at least bagging a goal again.
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Certainly a fair point but (and maybe I'm alone in this) I really feel our wingers struggle to create or get in space when our midfield is so pedestrian. Again, I have to state I wasn't able to watch the game so I'm going on everyone's reports that Babel was pretty much singularly useless but it makes it so much easier for the opposition to stop attacking threat coming from the wing or from our strikers when there is no one in the middle they have to concern themselves with.
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42011.msg1180832#msg1180832 date=1285225663]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180824#msg1180824 date=1285225254]
Despite N'Gog's shortcomings though DSE, he still scored (again), Babel has infuriated time and time again. People moan he needs chances and then he turns up for games where it's on a plate for him to step up and he fails to do it time and time again.
I saw some blurt yesterday on here saying that he'd play Agger and The Greek ahead of Skrtel, well there's your outcome.
[/quote]
Think maybe you misunderstood me or I wasn't clear: That's why I listed N'Gog among the players who will see extensive action this season and lamented how our set-up fails to provide chances. I think young David has been quite good for us this season thus far. Couple glaring misses but some nice finishes as well. I would not condemn him for not being able to make something out of nothing. The team needs to be setup in a way to move the ball from back to front and create chances.
Babel is indeed the infuriating one and I almost wish he was a cunt so I could just dislike him and wish him sold off. His love of Liverpool and hilarious Tweets have endeared him to me in a way that very little ofhis play over the past three seasons has.
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Yeah, sorry it wasn't an argument against your post, I was just commenting on you saying about service. I really thought a couple of the senior players last night would have stepped up and took responsibility, which is why I pointed out about N'Gog at least bagging a goal again.
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Certainly a fair point but (and maybe I'm alone in this) I really feel our wingers struggle to create or get in space when our midfield is so pedestrian. Again, I have to state I wasn't able to watch the game so I'm going on everyone's reports that Babel was pretty much singularly useless but it makes it so much easier for the opposition to stop attacking threat coming from the wing or from our strikers when there is no one in the middle they have to concern themselves with.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
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He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
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He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
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fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180840#msg1180840 date=1285226051]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[/quote]
'Patches' has played on the wing LOADS of times. Benitez brought him on on the wing. He played on the wing regularly for the reserves, in his sub appearances this season he's mainly been used on the wing. He still played 442 and left two experienced players up there who should have done better. We had an international centre back pairing that was all over the place, a Scottish International prospect at left back and an equally highly rated youngster at right back. Regards subs, what was there on the bench?
You know what really fucking worries me, he pointed out that we'd left out 13 of our better players last night. 13! So that's all we've got beyond a side that can't beat Northampton.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[/quote]
'Patches' has played on the wing LOADS of times. Benitez brought him on on the wing. He played on the wing regularly for the reserves, in his sub appearances this season he's mainly been used on the wing. He still played 442 and left two experienced players up there who should have done better. We had an international centre back pairing that was all over the place, a Scottish International prospect at left back and an equally highly rated youngster at right back. Regards subs, what was there on the bench?
You know what really fucking worries me, he pointed out that we'd left out 13 of our better players last night. 13! So that's all we've got beyond a side that can't beat Northampton.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180839#msg1180839 date=1285225945]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
I agree with you, Mark..and I certainly dont want him sacked..
But he's making novice like mistakes.
Like HC, I too was concerned with the line-up, but I reasoned that there should have been enough quality anyway to get the job done.
Whilst I had no illusions about Hodgson being a vey good manager, I did feel comfortable since he's an experienced manager who'd just done well with Fulham.
So I thought he'd be good, if not great.
TO be honest,the managers I really wanted wouldnt touch us with a barge pole, and Brendan/Neil's suggestions of a 'young, hungry' manager were just as fraught with risk. I have no qualms in saying that if the young hungry manager had messed up this badly, there'd be no shortage of posts saying how stupid it was to appoint a Young Turk with no experience in the Premier League and that we should have appointed MON or Redknapp or some other idiot.
Having said that, Hodgson can't be defended for yesterday's shambles.
Tactically wrong, again..
WHich is at least his 3rd match doing it; Citeh, Brum and Northampton.
He needs time to know his players, but the question is whether we have that time.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
I agree with you, Mark..and I certainly dont want him sacked..
But he's making novice like mistakes.
Like HC, I too was concerned with the line-up, but I reasoned that there should have been enough quality anyway to get the job done.
Whilst I had no illusions about Hodgson being a vey good manager, I did feel comfortable since he's an experienced manager who'd just done well with Fulham.
So I thought he'd be good, if not great.
TO be honest,the managers I really wanted wouldnt touch us with a barge pole, and Brendan/Neil's suggestions of a 'young, hungry' manager were just as fraught with risk. I have no qualms in saying that if the young hungry manager had messed up this badly, there'd be no shortage of posts saying how stupid it was to appoint a Young Turk with no experience in the Premier League and that we should have appointed MON or Redknapp or some other idiot.
Having said that, Hodgson can't be defended for yesterday's shambles.
Tactically wrong, again..
WHich is at least his 3rd match doing it; Citeh, Brum and Northampton.
He needs time to know his players, but the question is whether we have that time.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180841#msg1180841 date=1285226322]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180840#msg1180840 date=1285226051]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[/quote]
'Patches' has played on the wing LOADS of times. Benitez brought him on on the wing. He played on the wing regularly for the reserves, in his sub appearances this season he's mainly been used on the wing. He still played 442 and left two experienced players up there who should have done better. We had an international centre back pairing that was all over the place, a Scottish International prospect at left back and an equally highly rated youngster at right back. Regards subs, what was there on the bench?
You know what really fucking worries me, he pointed out that we'd left out 13 of our better players last night. 13! So that's all we've got beyond a side that can't beat Northampton.
[/quote]
the thing that is despressing most is the performances rather than the results. the results are hard to take but if we were controlling games and were losing out due to luck (or whatever) you could still remain optimistic, but have we put in a performance once this season were we've controlled the game? one than once this season we've gone 90 minutes and barely mustered a shot at goal. it is truly despressing watching us currently.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180840#msg1180840 date=1285226051]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
fuck it, I can't help it.
there were several things he could have done last night to at least attempt to change our fortunes
* babel to the right wing/play patches through the middle
* go three at the back in an attempt to help wilson who was badly struggling at left back
* bring on the youngsters earlier as even though inexperienced they are wide players used to their position unlike patches
instead NOTHING for 90 minutes. seriously, WTF?!
[/quote]
'Patches' has played on the wing LOADS of times. Benitez brought him on on the wing. He played on the wing regularly for the reserves, in his sub appearances this season he's mainly been used on the wing. He still played 442 and left two experienced players up there who should have done better. We had an international centre back pairing that was all over the place, a Scottish International prospect at left back and an equally highly rated youngster at right back. Regards subs, what was there on the bench?
You know what really fucking worries me, he pointed out that we'd left out 13 of our better players last night. 13! So that's all we've got beyond a side that can't beat Northampton.
[/quote]
the thing that is despressing most is the performances rather than the results. the results are hard to take but if we were controlling games and were losing out due to luck (or whatever) you could still remain optimistic, but have we put in a performance once this season were we've controlled the game? one than once this season we've gone 90 minutes and barely mustered a shot at goal. it is truly despressing watching us currently.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180839#msg1180839 date=1285225945]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
For how long has he just arrived? If he i.e. denies the full backs to double up on the flanks in the weekend as he did last weekend, will that also be excused cause he just arrived?
So far he has delivered nothing but excuses. i an fed up with that.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
For how long has he just arrived? If he i.e. denies the full backs to double up on the flanks in the weekend as he did last weekend, will that also be excused cause he just arrived?
So far he has delivered nothing but excuses. i an fed up with that.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42011.msg1180847#msg1180847 date=1285226948]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180839#msg1180839 date=1285225945]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
For how long has he just arrived? If he i.e. denies the full backs to double up on the flanks in the weekend as he did last weekend, will that also be excused cause he just arrived?
So far he has delivered nothing but excuses. i an fed up with that.
[/quote]
Like your post yesterday that we've gone into every game 'defensively', that's just bullshit. What excuses? Are you making this up? Have you read his post match interview? He blames himself and has apologised!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180839#msg1180839 date=1285225945]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42011.msg1180833#msg1180833 date=1285225720]
Well, he apologised to the fans and also said that he accepts responsibility for changing so many players, but it was their fault we lost.
Fucking resign you doddering liability
[/quote]
He said only one or two performed well and we didn't start playing until we were 2-1 down. What did you want him to say? He didn't expect to win? He thought we played brilliantly? At least he's fucking honest. Benitez made the same mistake in cup competitions enough times, at least Roy has the excuse that he's only just arrived and he's getting to know the squad, the squad that's been left by his predecessor.
[/quote]
For how long has he just arrived? If he i.e. denies the full backs to double up on the flanks in the weekend as he did last weekend, will that also be excused cause he just arrived?
So far he has delivered nothing but excuses. i an fed up with that.
[/quote]
Like your post yesterday that we've gone into every game 'defensively', that's just bullshit. What excuses? Are you making this up? Have you read his post match interview? He blames himself and has apologised!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42011.msg1180831#msg1180831 date=1285225640]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
He's got a point though Mark. Roy's tactics and lack of meaningful subs have been collectively awful.
Unless something changes we'll find ourselves with 10 points after 10 games soon enough.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42011.msg1180828#msg1180828 date=1285225522]
roy needs to have a long look at himself and ask 'after watching an absolute SHAMBOLIC performance why didn't I feel the need to make a change for 90mins?'
roy is tactically CLUELESS
[/quote]
Change the fucking record.
[/quote]
He's got a point though Mark. Roy's tactics and lack of meaningful subs have been collectively awful.
Unless something changes we'll find ourselves with 10 points after 10 games soon enough.
you can forgive poor team sheets but as a manager you have the power to change things from the dugout. you can change formations, tactics and personnel, but ffs when you see things going tits up change SOMETHING. we really are coming across as a team with no 'plan b' (and a dubious 'plan a').
Fair comments from Roy there actually. I hope his comments about learning a lot about the players involved, means that Babel and Lucas are finally on their way out.
When you have a winger/striker who was on the bench in a world cup final, who claims he wants to succeed and just look like he don't care when he's given the chance. It's time to fuck off.
Lucas can't even take the game by the scruff of the neck against a League two side, and is just not good enough.
Both should be gone in january.
When you have a winger/striker who was on the bench in a world cup final, who claims he wants to succeed and just look like he don't care when he's given the chance. It's time to fuck off.
Lucas can't even take the game by the scruff of the neck against a League two side, and is just not good enough.
Both should be gone in january.
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