Hicks certainly doesn't claim LFC is undervalued. On the contrary, he maintains there's a chance of getting the price he's holding out for.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130839#msg1130839 date=1278247951]
Woy Hodgson is a million times better than Benitez?
What fucking metrics are you using to make a dismally stupid statement like that?
[/quote]Yes it's exactly a million. I've worked it out.
*sigh*
Woy Hodgson is a million times better than Benitez?
What fucking metrics are you using to make a dismally stupid statement like that?
[/quote]Yes it's exactly a million. I've worked it out.
*sigh*
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130847#msg1130847 date=1278249117]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130315#msg1130315 date=1278113550]
If they sell 80m of players to pay the banks that will devalue their product by far more than that in the market place.
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Why are you so sure about that? Can you tell me if we sell torres tomorrow for 70M how would it affect the market value of the club? By how much? How do you know that? Or it's just your imagination!
By your logic why dont G&H just buy a lot of star players such as villa for 40M or Ozil for 30M. Then they can make more money by selling the club because the club's valuation would increase a lot more than what they pay for the star players. Is it really that simple?
[/quote]We could get into a long debate regarding the net value of the squad vs the money earned in competitions we will or will not be in.....but I don't care to.
You've made your mind up, me to. The end.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130315#msg1130315 date=1278113550]
If they sell 80m of players to pay the banks that will devalue their product by far more than that in the market place.
[/quote]
Why are you so sure about that? Can you tell me if we sell torres tomorrow for 70M how would it affect the market value of the club? By how much? How do you know that? Or it's just your imagination!
By your logic why dont G&H just buy a lot of star players such as villa for 40M or Ozil for 30M. Then they can make more money by selling the club because the club's valuation would increase a lot more than what they pay for the star players. Is it really that simple?
[/quote]We could get into a long debate regarding the net value of the squad vs the money earned in competitions we will or will not be in.....but I don't care to.
You've made your mind up, me to. The end.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
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I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
[/quote]
I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
This shouldn't be about what manager is better than who anymore. Huffing and puffing isn't going to change it, and like it or not Hodgson will be in charge for August. It's a like it or lump it situation, so i'm going to put with it.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130851#msg1130851 date=1278250079]
Hicks certainly doesn't claim LFC is undervalued. On the contrary, he maintains there's a chance of getting the price he's holding out for.
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If Hicks value the club at 800M and his highest bid is 500M, how can he not feel his asset is "undervalued"?
Hicks certainly doesn't claim LFC is undervalued. On the contrary, he maintains there's a chance of getting the price he's holding out for.
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If Hicks value the club at 800M and his highest bid is 500M, how can he not feel his asset is "undervalued"?
in what way, shape or form was/is roy hodgson better than rafa? any criteria will do.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130853#msg1130853 date=1278250442]
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130847#msg1130847 date=1278249117]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130315#msg1130315 date=1278113550]
If they sell 80m of players to pay the banks that will devalue their product by far more than that in the market place.
[/quote]
Why are you so sure about that? Can you tell me if we sell torres tomorrow for 70M how would it affect the market value of the club? By how much? How do you know that? Or it's just your imagination!
By your logic why dont G&H just buy a lot of star players such as villa for 40M or Ozil for 30M. Then they can make more money by selling the club because the club's valuation would increase a lot more than what they pay for the star players. Is it really that simple?
[/quote]We could get into a long debate regarding the net value of the squad vs the money earned in competitions we will or will not be in.....but I don't care to.
You've made your mind up, me to. The end.
[/quote]
The point is I didnt make up my mind and I hope to learn in what ground did you make up yours!
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130847#msg1130847 date=1278249117]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130315#msg1130315 date=1278113550]
If they sell 80m of players to pay the banks that will devalue their product by far more than that in the market place.
[/quote]
Why are you so sure about that? Can you tell me if we sell torres tomorrow for 70M how would it affect the market value of the club? By how much? How do you know that? Or it's just your imagination!
By your logic why dont G&H just buy a lot of star players such as villa for 40M or Ozil for 30M. Then they can make more money by selling the club because the club's valuation would increase a lot more than what they pay for the star players. Is it really that simple?
[/quote]We could get into a long debate regarding the net value of the squad vs the money earned in competitions we will or will not be in.....but I don't care to.
You've made your mind up, me to. The end.
[/quote]
The point is I didnt make up my mind and I hope to learn in what ground did you make up yours!
I look forward to Woy taking us to two European Cup Finals, 2nd in the league, and two major trophies
Bit of an ask, given he's won NO major trophies in his entire 35 year career, and his last league finish was 12th, but anyway, he's certainly a better manager, probably a million times better
Bit of an ask, given he's won NO major trophies in his entire 35 year career, and his last league finish was 12th, but anyway, he's certainly a better manager, probably a million times better
What has Rafa won us in the last 4 years Brendan?
How many Finals as 'woy' taken a shitty fulham to in that period? How about Rafa?
As Lech said, in the current situation, Roy is a better option than Rafa ... Rafa had lost the squad, even Torres hinted to it.
Stop trying to be like Rebel, it doesn't suit you.
How many Finals as 'woy' taken a shitty fulham to in that period? How about Rafa?
As Lech said, in the current situation, Roy is a better option than Rafa ... Rafa had lost the squad, even Torres hinted to it.
Stop trying to be like Rebel, it doesn't suit you.
Woy Hodgson is a fucking mediocre football manager
This FACT is borne out by his CV
He's won nothing of any import in three and a half decades of trying
Spin that how you want, the FACTS are there to see for everyone
Still, I'm sure I won't have to wait *too* long to see the tide turn against Woy, because this season is going to be a fucking car-crash
And no, I didn't think last season was any less of a car-crash, but I said that was going to happen aswell.
That does not mean that Woy is a good choice
This FACT is borne out by his CV
He's won nothing of any import in three and a half decades of trying
Spin that how you want, the FACTS are there to see for everyone
Still, I'm sure I won't have to wait *too* long to see the tide turn against Woy, because this season is going to be a fucking car-crash
And no, I didn't think last season was any less of a car-crash, but I said that was going to happen aswell.
That does not mean that Woy is a good choice
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130877#msg1130877 date=1278252313]
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
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roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
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roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40759.msg1130879#msg1130879 date=1278252681]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130877#msg1130877 date=1278252313]
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
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roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
[/quote]
but shearers cv doesnt say that does it!!
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130877#msg1130877 date=1278252313]
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
[/quote]
roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
[/quote]
but shearers cv doesnt say that does it!!
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40759.msg1130884#msg1130884 date=1278253223]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40759.msg1130879#msg1130879 date=1278252681]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130877#msg1130877 date=1278252313]
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
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roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
[/quote]
but shearers cv doesnt say that does it!!
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no it doesn't. not that that has any bearing on the point.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40759.msg1130879#msg1130879 date=1278252681]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130877#msg1130877 date=1278252313]
By that token Alan Shearer was clearly a mediocre striker.
[/quote]
roy hasn't had the oppurtunity to turn down top clubs as shearer did.
[/quote]
but shearers cv doesnt say that does it!!
[/quote]
no it doesn't. not that that has any bearing on the point.
ok brendan, you win. i join your club!
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130876#msg1130876 date=1278252223]
Woy Hodgson is a fucking mediocre football manager
This FACT is borne out by his CV
He's won nothing of any import in three and a half decades of trying
Spin that how you want, the FACTS are there to see for everyone
Still, I'm sure I won't have to wait *too* long to see the tide turn against Woy, because this season is going to be a fucking car-crash
And no, I didn't think last season was any less of a car-crash, but I said that was going to happen aswell.
That does not mean that Woy is a good choice
[/quote]
I think we all get that you don't rate Hodgson, Brendan. You're not the only one with reservations, just the only poster bleating on about it until your keyboard melts. Still, at least then you can say you were the one who said it loudest if (or when) it all goes tits up for Hodgson and can quote a few hundred posts to support your argument. The fact that many of us made similar points when he was first mooted, before putting that aside to support the new Liverpool manager in hope will matter little eh?
Hodgson is an uninspiring appointment (to put it mildly), but it's also likely Rafa wouldn't have fared well this season given the way his squad had been playing and his ongoing battle with the boardroom. Hodgson is not a bad manager by any means and might just do better than you'd imagine (being a sage and all).
Woy Hodgson is a fucking mediocre football manager
This FACT is borne out by his CV
He's won nothing of any import in three and a half decades of trying
Spin that how you want, the FACTS are there to see for everyone
Still, I'm sure I won't have to wait *too* long to see the tide turn against Woy, because this season is going to be a fucking car-crash
And no, I didn't think last season was any less of a car-crash, but I said that was going to happen aswell.
That does not mean that Woy is a good choice
[/quote]
I think we all get that you don't rate Hodgson, Brendan. You're not the only one with reservations, just the only poster bleating on about it until your keyboard melts. Still, at least then you can say you were the one who said it loudest if (or when) it all goes tits up for Hodgson and can quote a few hundred posts to support your argument. The fact that many of us made similar points when he was first mooted, before putting that aside to support the new Liverpool manager in hope will matter little eh?
Hodgson is an uninspiring appointment (to put it mildly), but it's also likely Rafa wouldn't have fared well this season given the way his squad had been playing and his ongoing battle with the boardroom. Hodgson is not a bad manager by any means and might just do better than you'd imagine (being a sage and all).
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40759.msg1130779#msg1130779 date=1278240330]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130776#msg1130776 date=1278239860]
I seemed to have a pretty good idea of what was going on two months ago.
[/quote]
That Roy was going to be the next manager of Liverpool? You and half the population of the city (as in Liverpool) Brendan. Nothing to be 'all knowing' smug about.
[/quote]
So,there was there no selection process then?
[/quote]
Dunno. You'd have to ask Brendan and Rebel. They know everything that's going on within the inner sanctum of Liverpool Football Club.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40759.msg1130779#msg1130779 date=1278240330]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130776#msg1130776 date=1278239860]
I seemed to have a pretty good idea of what was going on two months ago.
[/quote]
That Roy was going to be the next manager of Liverpool? You and half the population of the city (as in Liverpool) Brendan. Nothing to be 'all knowing' smug about.
[/quote]
So,there was there no selection process then?
[/quote]
Dunno. You'd have to ask Brendan and Rebel. They know everything that's going on within the inner sanctum of Liverpool Football Club.
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130854#msg1130854 date=1278250777]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
[/quote]
I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
[/quote]
Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
[/quote]
I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
[/quote]
Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
I want Hodgson to succeed, because I want Liverpool to do well, but after reading through countless, repetitive sleep inducing posts from Brendan of late, I think the idea of him succeeding to prove Brendan wrong is starting to outweigh my craving for success for Liverpool.
I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out - let's be fair, it can't be any worse than Benitez' last season.
I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out - let's be fair, it can't be any worse than Benitez' last season.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130910#msg1130910 date=1278256318]
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130854#msg1130854 date=1278250777]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
[/quote]
I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
[/quote]
Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
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Since you seem so certain that you know about the club's situation, would you please tell me if tomorrow we sell gerrad, torres and mascher for 130M, how will that affect the club's valuation. Please dont give me those theories, just tell me how it would affect the market price of the club exactly? Decrease by 50M? 100M? 200M? 300M? 400M?
Just in case if u also know, how's that affect the club's operating income and wages? shirt sponsor money or tv money? Tickets income? Shirt Sales? Pre-season friendly matches income? How's the interest payment if we use 130M to repay part of the debt? Is the operating net income now enough to cover the interest payment? Would RBS recall the loan now as our financial situation has changed? and so much more ..............................
Thanks in advance!
edit: and u think the basic motivation of Man city and Chelsea owners is to make money? wow................
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130854#msg1130854 date=1278250777]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
[/quote]
I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
[/quote]
Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
[/quote]
Since you seem so certain that you know about the club's situation, would you please tell me if tomorrow we sell gerrad, torres and mascher for 130M, how will that affect the club's valuation. Please dont give me those theories, just tell me how it would affect the market price of the club exactly? Decrease by 50M? 100M? 200M? 300M? 400M?
Just in case if u also know, how's that affect the club's operating income and wages? shirt sponsor money or tv money? Tickets income? Shirt Sales? Pre-season friendly matches income? How's the interest payment if we use 130M to repay part of the debt? Is the operating net income now enough to cover the interest payment? Would RBS recall the loan now as our financial situation has changed? and so much more ..............................
Thanks in advance!
edit: and u think the basic motivation of Man city and Chelsea owners is to make money? wow................
Worst quiz ever!
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130910#msg1130910 date=1278256318]
[quote author=justdoit link=topic=40759.msg1130854#msg1130854 date=1278250777]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40759.msg1130848#msg1130848 date=1278249615]
Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
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I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
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Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
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Since you seem so certain that you know about the club's situation, would you please tell me if tomorrow we sell gerrad, torres and mascher for 130M, how will that affect the club's valuation. Please dont give me those theories, just tell me how it would affect the market price of the club exactly? Decrease by 50M? 100M? 200M? 300M? 400M?
Just in case if u also know, how's that affect the club's operating income and wages? shirt sponsor money or tv money? Tickets income? Shirt Sales? Pre-season friendly matches income? How's the interest payment if we use 130M to repay part of the debt? Is the operating net income now enough to cover the interest payment? Would RBS recall the loan now as our financial situation has changed? and so much more ..............................
Thanks in advance!
edit: and u think the basic motivation of Man city and Chelsea owners is to make money? wow................
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That's juvenile.
First para - what "theories"? The higher Prem prize money's a fact. It's also a fact that 4th gets you into the Champions League. It's also a fact that the CL gets you more money than the Europa League. And you can choose to believe that people don't pay higher prices for more valuable items if you want to, just as you can choose to believe that the sea is made of yoghurt, but both are obvious nonsense.
Second para - most of those questions are irrelevant to Oncy's original point and the first 5 don't even make sense, because it's a club's income that affects its market value, not the other way round. As far as RBS is concerned, Broughton was appointed at the banks' behest to hurry the sale along, so it's a pretty safe bet they won't wait for ever for their money.
And you think the basic motivation of Citeh and Chavski's owners ISN'T to make money? In that case I have some nice bridges in London I'd love to sell you.
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Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.
The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.
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I am not here to proclaim that I know how the sales of star players would affect the club's valuation. I am here to learn the rationale behind those who claim they know. Do they really know how finish 4th instead of 7th would affect the valuation? How's the terms of our shirt sponsors? How about TV money?
And why cant any bank lend the money to G&H to buy star players? By your logic they will sell the club with significant more profit and the debt will be paid immediately. Why not?
And u think Man city are buying the players in order to make profits by selling the club? U think the russian has any chance to make profit if he sell chelsea now?
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Yes, we do really know how finishing 4th instead of 7th would affect the club's valuation. First of all 4th gets a higher payout from the Premiership. Second, it gets you into the Champions League as opposed to the Europa Cup, again with a higher initial payout and the possibility of still more extra money depending on how far you progress. Last but ultimately most important, it will affect the way the club is viewed by potential buyers, who will want to pay less for a less successful club. I doubt our shirt sponsorship would be affected but TV money certainly would be, because the TV companies (a) will pay more for CL football and (b) will show the more successful clubs' league and Cup games more often.
No bank will lend new money to H and G when they can't even repay their current debts - the banks may be crooks but they're not fools. And I'm quite sure Citeh's owners and Abramovich will both sell when they think the time is right. The fact that that's not going to happen immediately doesn't change their basic motivation for investing in those clubs in the first place, which is the same as for any other business-inspired purchase of a football club, i.e.to make money.
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Since you seem so certain that you know about the club's situation, would you please tell me if tomorrow we sell gerrad, torres and mascher for 130M, how will that affect the club's valuation. Please dont give me those theories, just tell me how it would affect the market price of the club exactly? Decrease by 50M? 100M? 200M? 300M? 400M?
Just in case if u also know, how's that affect the club's operating income and wages? shirt sponsor money or tv money? Tickets income? Shirt Sales? Pre-season friendly matches income? How's the interest payment if we use 130M to repay part of the debt? Is the operating net income now enough to cover the interest payment? Would RBS recall the loan now as our financial situation has changed? and so much more ..............................
Thanks in advance!
edit: and u think the basic motivation of Man city and Chelsea owners is to make money? wow................
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That's juvenile.
First para - what "theories"? The higher Prem prize money's a fact. It's also a fact that 4th gets you into the Champions League. It's also a fact that the CL gets you more money than the Europa League. And you can choose to believe that people don't pay higher prices for more valuable items if you want to, just as you can choose to believe that the sea is made of yoghurt, but both are obvious nonsense.
Second para - most of those questions are irrelevant to Oncy's original point and the first 5 don't even make sense, because it's a club's income that affects its market value, not the other way round. As far as RBS is concerned, Broughton was appointed at the banks' behest to hurry the sale along, so it's a pretty safe bet they won't wait for ever for their money.
And you think the basic motivation of Citeh and Chavski's owners ISN'T to make money? In that case I have some nice bridges in London I'd love to sell you.
You think Abramovich and The Arabs' primary motivation is/was to *make money*?
How fucking stupid
How fucking stupid
DIC had a specific plan to sell us on when it would pay them to do so. They knew that wouldn't happen in the short term but it was certainly their long-term aim. Why would Abramovich and City's owners be any different?
Yeah, talk me through the simpleton's master-plan
It's common knowledge to, well, *everyone* that he didn't invest 700m into Chelsea in order to make money from it
Please desist
It's common knowledge to, well, *everyone* that he didn't invest 700m into Chelsea in order to make money from it
Please desist
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