The Welcome and good luck Woy thread

[KopKing]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40759.msg1130779#msg1130779 date=1278240330]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130776#msg1130776 date=1278239860]
I seemed to have a pretty good idea of what was going on two months ago.

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That Roy was going to be the next manager of Liverpool? You and half the population of the city (as in Liverpool) Brendan. Nothing to be 'all knowing' smug about.
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So,there was there no selection process then?

 

[Portly]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40759.msg1130767#msg1130767 date=1278238692]
It's hard to tell when a fan group who are actually doing something about their tenure, are treated with such disdain from many posters here.
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None of the hysteria that has been whipped up has had the slightest effect on the ownership situation. It has just created a bad atmosphere.

At the time Moores was coming under pressure from the supporters to sell out to the Americans, I ventured to suggest this would not be a good thing and it would be better to toddle along as an old-fashioned football club, rather than cast the club adrift as a commodity to be bought and sold by anybody who had the money to invest. The majority reaction was that this would deprive the club of the huge transfer funds that would be forthcoming from new owners, and I was stuck in the past.

I would prefer therefore not to be accused of being soft on Hicks and Gillette. I never wanted them in the first place. However, no amount of demonstrations are going to get rid of them. Arrangements to sell the club have been put in place so I don't see the point.

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=40759.msg1130786#msg1130786 date=1278241097]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40759.msg1130767#msg1130767 date=1278238692]
It's hard to tell when a fan group who are actually doing something about their tenure, are treated with such disdain from many posters here.
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None of the hysteria that has been whipped up has had the slightest effect on the ownership situation. It has just created a bad atmosphere.

At the time Moores was coming under pressure from the supporters to sell out to the Americans, I ventured to suggest this would not be a good thing and it would be better to toddle along as an old-fashioned football club, rather than cast the club adrift as a commodity to be bought and sold by anybody who had the money to invest. The majority reaction was that this would deprive the club of the huge transfer funds that would be forthcoming from new owners, and I was stuck in the past.

I would prefer therefore not to be accused of being soft on Hicks and Gillette. I never wanted them in the first place. However, no amount of demonstrations are going to get rid of them. Arrangements to sell the club have been put in place so I don't see the point.
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SoS would say they didn't decide to sell the club until they started their protests. Also no one accused you personally of anything.

 

[Rosco]

It was pretty clear from the short term nature of the financing that the Yanks didn't intend to stick around for long. They saw an undervalued company, bought it, increased revenues quickly and are now trying to sell it.

SOS are merely antogonising the situation and I'd be fairly certain that a lot of people will be put off by them.

 

[Oncy]

Are we now just ignoring the fact Purslow DID find investment time and again only for the owners to reject the offers. His job was to seek out investment which he did. After the event the owners put the club up for sale.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

To be fair to Bren he did get the "Rafa to Juve" spot on.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40759.msg1130797#msg1130797 date=1278242925]
To be fair to Bren he did get the "Rafa to Juve" spot on.
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And Robbie Keane being a great signing.

He's always right.

 

[manwithnoname]

Well, it's a bit like signing players; nobody ever gets everything right, every time

But I get more things right than almost everyone else

 

[Oncy]

You didn't get Roy Hodgson 'right' Markmc came on here weeks before the event and urged everyone to get money on it. That's not you being right, that's you knowing how to read.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

At least Casper will never be allowed to wear a Liverpool shirt ever again.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

And Mascher should be easy to replace, because what he does is simple.

 

[manwithnoname]

Well, I didn't see Mark's thread, which is a shame because he is the only person with any semblance of inside information on the entire site

Still, as long as you're all happy with Woy's appointment.

I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130809#msg1130809 date=1278244014]
Well, I didn't see Mark's thread, which is a shame because he is the only person with any semblance of inside information on the entire site

Still, as long as you're all happy with Woy's appointment.

I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out
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You've repeatedly said nobody on the site has any inside information.

Are you admitting to being wrong on that too ? Quite a day for you.

 

[Portly]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130809#msg1130809 date=1278244014]
I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out
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Irrespective of who is available for selection, I think there is a good chance that this team sheet will make sense. Unlike many of Rafa's which so often had us scratching our heads. ;D

 

[Oncy]

I'm not happy. I didn't want Roy. But he's here now and I'm not going to bitch and moan about it. I'll give the man a chance.

 

[manwithnoname]

Nope, none of the owners or mods have any inside information

I have always said - often and loudly - that mark is reliable, however

You're not doing very well so far

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40759.msg1130485#msg1130485 date=1278161335]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40759.msg1130443#msg1130443 date=1278156048]
The way things stand we haven't lost Kenny, and actually Broughton (although he doesn't come across wonderfully) talks a lot of sense.

I think he wants to do a decent job and enhance his reputation as the reward.

I don't think asset stripping is on the cards yet.
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*stares at Robin*

But... but you said... you told us we were... oh, never mind. Glad you've regained your senses, Robin.

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This is fair. I was really worried about the situation; so much so I was pretty forward n expressing my biggest fears on here. They could still come true, but I don't currently think that's what's happening.

I hadn't seen a full interview with Broughton before; I hadn't seen him at all actually, so I guess I was just in a blind panic about where the club ws going.

I obviously still think the Americans are dangerous idiots, but the fact that they aren't in control of selling the club, and that there is no specific valuation that has to be kept to is greatly reassuring.

Hopefully this won't come back to bite me on the arse.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130818#msg1130818 date=1278244863]
Nope, none of the owners or mods have any inside information

I have always said - often and loudly - that mark is reliable, however

You're not doing very well so far


[/quote]My dads harder than your dad.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40759.msg1130809#msg1130809 date=1278244014]
Well, I didn't see Mark's thread, which is a shame because he is the only person with any semblance of inside information on the entire site

Still, as long as you're all happy with Woy's appointment.

I hope that will still be the case when the first team-sheet of the season comes out
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What does your mate at BarCap think of Broughton? Is he here to do the job he says he is?

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130813#msg1130813 date=1278244223]
I'm not happy. I didn't want Roy. But he's here now and I'm not going to bitch and moan about it. I'll give the man a chance.
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I don't think he's perfect, but I see him as an improvment on Benitez, whose football I absolutely loathe now.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40759.msg1130824#msg1130824 date=1278245217]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130813#msg1130813 date=1278244223]
I'm not happy. I didn't want Roy. But he's here now and I'm not going to bitch and moan about it. I'll give the man a chance.
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I don't think he's perfect, but I see him as an improvment on Benitez, whose football I absolutely loathe now.
[/quote]Mate I would have taken a bucket of rotten fish heads over Rafa. One of the reasons I'm really relaxed and happy is because hi isn't at the club any more. Roy is a million times better in my eyes.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130794#msg1130794 date=1278242460]
Are we now just ignoring the fact Purslow DID find investment time and again only for the owners to reject the offers. His job was to seek out investment which he did. After the event the owners put the club up for sale.
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Clearly we are.

We're also assuming that Broughton came in cos he failed, not that he was appointed by RBS to ensure the owners couldnt continue to block the sale they want. Which is odd, cos SoS admit he's RBS appointment.

As for this site being against SoS, that's bollocks. I dont agree with the way they act like they're speaking on behalf of all the fans, I dont agree with some of their founder member choices as many of them had less than pleasant backgrounds & I felt that prejudiced their stance. I also dont agree with some of their more militant acts, as I believe that portrays themselves badly in the media, which is the opposite of what we want. On top of all that I dont agree that they should have a place on the board, it should be a fans position, voted for by season ticket & fancard holders who attend a certain number of games only.

For all that though, I applaud their willingness to stand up & be counted, I appluad their intentions, & I fully support a number of their acts. The Independence day today, is an exceptionally good idea, getting good publicity around the campaign & highlighting the clubs situation. I think they have made the tenure of the owners shorter than they may have liked & some (not all) of the pressure applied to RBS I believe has had an effect. I also believe their actions in not allowing negative chants during the games & their 'lock ins' to gain more publicity have allowed fans to support the team & yet showed our displeasure to a great many.

So no, I dont personally belong to SoS, but to say I, or anyone else on here, is simply against them is bollocks.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130813#msg1130813 date=1278244223]
I'm not happy. I didn't want Roy. But he's here now and I'm not going to bitch and moan about it. I'll give the man a chance.
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Same here, in all respects.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40759.msg1130828#msg1130828 date=1278245458]
it should be a fans position, voted for by season ticket & fancard holders who attend a certain number of games only.
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I sometimes buy the shirts, have a .tv media subscription and pay for Sky Sports HD so I can watch the team, why don't I get a say?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40759.msg1130830#msg1130830 date=1278245720]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40759.msg1130828#msg1130828 date=1278245458]
it should be a fans position, voted for by season ticket & fancard holders who attend a certain number of games only.
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I sometimes buy the shirts, have a .tv media subscription and pay for Sky Sports HD so I can watch the team, why don't I get a say?
[/quote]Coz you're a foreigner.

 

[manwithnoname]

Woy Hodgson is a million times better than Benitez?

What fucking metrics are you using to make a dismally stupid statement like that?

 

[Le Chacal]

Im pretty sure Hodgson would never play Mascherano and Lucas at the same time.

 

[justdoit]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40759.msg1130315#msg1130315 date=1278113550]
If they sell 80m of players to pay the banks that will devalue their product by far more than that in the market place.
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Why are you so sure about that? Can you tell me if we sell torres tomorrow for 70M how would it affect the market value of the club? By how much? How do you know that? Or it's just your imagination!

By your logic why dont G&H just buy a lot of star players such as villa for 40M or Ozil for 30M. Then they can make more money by selling the club because the club's valuation would increase a lot more than what they pay for the star players. Is it really that simple?

 

[Judge Jules]

Oncy's right. If we sell Torres tomorrow for whatever fee, it'll (a) deprive the squad of its best goalscorer and (b), perhaps even more importantly, send out a message that we've become a selling club, not one which intends to keep its best players and compete for the very top prizes. That's the mirror opposite of the message the club needs to send out if it's going to attract big money buyers.

The reason Statler and Waldorf don't do what you outline in your second para.is that they haven't got a pot to piss in. Owners who DO have the money - those behind Citeh and the big two in La Liga for example - are going down that very road.

 

[justdoit]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40759.msg1130433#msg1130433 date=1278153978]

And Asset stripping is predicated on the notion that the company is undervalued so if you sell the underlying assets you'll realise more money.

Now given the value of the club has varied between 400m and 800m can anyone do the maths for me and show me how selling the players would get that much ?

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Isnt it exactly what G&H claim - We are undervalued! They think the brand "liverpool" worth a lot of money. If as owners they decide that his assets are undervalued, then why wouldnt asset stripping be on their agenda?