Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
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Spot on to a fucking tee as usual Dantes
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[/quote]I don’t know much about South American culture and slang (so here the first problem, why didn't he go ask somebody who does know before writing this piece of shit that follows). I do know (what? he just fucking admitted that he don't know), however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber. (who the fuck cares? he should go tell the FA and then happily accept and agree with the 4 game ban and £20,000 fine)
That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles (Right, so someone who hits another person with his fist is going to pass opinion upon someone who he thinks said a bad word to someone else, fuck me).
What have I learnt? Not much (I noticed that), but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur (so you should just punch him in the face with your bare knuckles instead, because that's ok you're standing up to a bully).
Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused. (nice lie, at best the only people who are bewildered would be anyone who considers that Evra speaks spanish well enough and that his own players have used the same words to him)
Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence? (wow, the first thing he has said that isn't pathetic sounding)
Well, the linguistic experts (what the fuck? try an entire continent of normal civilized people people) tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires. (what the fuck? that is not a defence of Suarez, only someone as stupid as Tony Evans would use a defence like that)
The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy” by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused. (no shit, doesn't he understand that nobody disagrees with this? all he has to do is give Gus Poyet a call, but instead he refers to some random fucker talking about a business transaction in Buenos Aires? fuck me)
In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. (what the fuck? it takes 1 minute, 1 fucking minute to listen to or read an explanation about the term negrito. Tony Evans would have you believe like its fucking on a par with quantum mechanics or something) Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence? (I have no fucking idea what he is talking about here. is this what he thinks Liverpool supporters are saying to be sarcastic? If this is how he explains things with English, I see why he though the definition of a word can seem like quantum mechanics)
There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s ****** stupid. (The Times? It's not ill-advised, it's more like the complete absence of any advice)
Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain. (So how about you learn them, and you also teach Suarez about your culture. Saying, NOOO you're wrong, ban him, ill-advised or racist, is just sad. And it's the complete wrong way to go about eliminating racism. Trying to ignore other poeple's culture, or impose your own culture upon them by force is the very root of racism.)
So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez. (And proud to be so)
It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong” ethic prevails. (The only reason I'm not rolling my eyes into the back of my head is because that gives me a headache)
If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October?(Why the fuck does he think? Is he fucking serious? Fuck me) It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man. (Why would it? This is like thinking that because racism is offensive to black people, that's the reason not to be racist. Again completely the wrong way to go about eliminating racism. In case he didn't know, racists don't give a fuck about black people. He doesn't get that racism isn't defined by causing offense, it is defined by the diseased thinking that takes place in someones mind and that's what needs to be cured. and that isn't what was in the mind of Suarez so to make an example of him is disgusting)
The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.” (Fuck off. This statement would be what we felt before the verdict, and how it should have been dealt with between Suarez and Evra in person. But not after the club gets pissed upon by the FA's witch hunt, seriously fuck off if he expects them to bend over and accept it up the arse. Tony Evans might be a weak pathetic human being like that, but this club is not)
Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now. (Weak, pathetic, human being)
Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness. (ditto)
Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself. (Oh poor Evra, poor little baby Evra. How about he fucking reads the statement, the blame was not thrown back at Evra. Cunt. An accusation was thrown at him for someone else he said. Who the fuck does he think he is trying to make it sound as if the club are blaming Evra for being black or some shit. Fuck off)
Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have. (Oh poor FA, poor little baby FA)
This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead. (Oh shut the fuck up, this man has no idea what racism is nor how to deal with it)
Spot on to a fucking tee as usual Dantes
