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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

I knew Hansen would get into trouble for saying the word. He looked really uncomfortable with the whole thing and turned to Dixon to give him a hand who kinda didn't notice or help.

@Anita - re relatives who use inappropriate language, you mean like 'uncle' Abid?!
 
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48021.msg1450467#msg1450467 date=1324555313]
Robin, I think I've said on here before, I find racial politics fascinating, I always have, I specialised in post colonial lit at Uni and have always continued on reading/learning about race and society (one of the reasons Im so fascinated by Ballotellu at the mo), and like you I love hearing about people's heritage, but can't fathom how people can see it as indicative of status or a calibre of an individual. I do wonder if I'd be as fascinated by it all of I wasnt brown myself, but it's impossible to think in any other terms because you're race, gender, generation is so engrained in your make up I don't know who I'd be if I wasn't me! What a weird thing to think!

Anyway I'd like to think I'd care as much even if I wasn't brown, racism full stop offends me and I make it known, the number of times I've been in all non-white company when someone's said something off and can't understand why I'm offended as I'm not white or whatever. Like I said racism full stop offends me, it doesn't have to be aimed at me.

Btw Are you familiar with Akala? You'd love him, Oncy would too actually, I think
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It's upsetting.


I'll check him out.
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
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I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...


I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=48021.msg1450497#msg1450497 date=1324558709]
[size=12pt]The F.A, Luis Suarez & The New Liverpool[/size]

HalcyonMag:

It was a shot across the bows which no one, not least the Football Association, expected.

Liverpool’s response to Luis Suarez’s eight-game ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra was uncharacteristic from the club, but it was clear that the time for diplomacy had passed. The content of the statement belonged more to city’s militant heritage rather than the club’s long-running penchant for conducting its business, regardless of severity, in a private manner.

This was the first strike from the new Liverpool; the sign of a club which is not afraid to strike out where and when necessary, especially against the football authority with which it already has endured strained relations this season.

The pressure cooker between Wembley and Anfield has been simmering since September when Kenny Dalglish questioned refereeing standards and the ensuing disciplinary procedures. His campaign has began to gather momentum with several of his Premier League counterparts eventually finding their voices on the matter. However little support has been forthcoming for Suarez as the racism row neared its conclusion yesterday evening.

Such is the tribal nature of the game that both parties have been wrongly labelled. Evra has been branded a serial accuser, despite evidence to the contrary (several previous allegations of racism involving him have been made by third parties) while Suarez is now deemed to be a racist; a smear spread across the back page of one national newspaper yesterday morning.

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The chief executive for Football Against Racism in Europe (FARE), the FA’s findings and, judging by Liverpool’s statement, Evra himself acknowledge that Suarez is not a racist, but the verdict, no matter how carefully worded for legal purposes, has allowed the wrong conclusions to be drawn by the football populus.

His previous misgivings at Ajax, where he was suspended by the Dutch FA for biting PSV’s Otman Bakkal, and the infamous handball incident against Ghana during last year’s World Cup had left his card well and truly marked while his provocation of United defender Rafael during their visit to Anfield last season, less than a month into his career in England, did little to help his case. This season he has continued in the same impressive run of form which earned adulation from both fans and journalists alike but his occasional histrionics have only served as further evidence that his 2010 habits will continue to die hard.

With regards to Evra, the FA’s decision not to act on allegations that he told Marriner “you’re only booking me because I’m black” after being cautioned for a challenge on Dirk Kuyt, just two minutes after he and Suarez had faced off, indicates that this claim carried little substance during the Independent Regulatory Commission’s investigation.

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But this is merely the beginning, rather than the end of the matter. Liverpool’s statement was followed by a response from the team and a collective show of support with players sporting t-shirts with the striker’s face and name on them ahead of last night’s goalless draw with Wigan.

All eyes were on Suarez during the stalemate at the DW Stadium and for all his jovial facial expressions, it was his worst performance to date for Liverpool, which was to be expected from a player sentenced on the say-so of an opposing player.

From the offset, this case has always been one man’s word against another. Neither Suarez or Evra’s team mates, nor referee Andre Marriner heard any of the alleged terms but the FA had to be seen as taking a stand against racism following Sepp Blatter’s remarkable statement about the matter last month and the claim against England captain John Terry.

In doing so, they have allowed Suarez to become the game’s most recent victim of ‘trial by media’. And as every football fan knows, mud sticks.
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Good article.
 
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[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
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That might not have been offensive where he came from Wizzy. You should be (even) more tolerant.
 
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I have no idea what the p****b means, but some kids are fucking evil and like to hurt, so they make it thier buisiness to know these things.....
 
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

Kids can be cruel, Wizzy. It's hardly surprising that footballers can be as well, considering how immature many of them are.

One schoolmate of mine was unwise enough to say something similar to me at school once during a game of rugby. He didn't do it again. (He's now a High Court judge by the way. ;D)
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
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my sister used to call me a p*** when i was a kid because i used to be quite dark-skinned. it's remarkable how completely that term has become completely unacceptable in the last 20 years. i remember using it myself occasionally (little wonder!) when i was a teenager, but just 15 years or so on i'd never dream of it, and not because of any kind of pressure to conform, either.
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
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How *do* we find out? I don't know. I haven't pursued it as my father isn't doing. Perhaps I will one day.


I wasn't made fun of as such, but I was on the recieving end of prejudiced remarks a number of times when I lived in the south of England just because I appear to look a bit Jewish to some people.


I'm sorry to hear about that stuff from when you were at school; it can be pretty alarming.
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=48021.msg1450501#msg1450501 date=1324559087]
Don't these people (by these I don't mean because of their skin tone) people read ?

JasonRoberts30 Jason Roberts The Stance on the Suarez issue from LFC has bemused me...are United going to print Evra shirts now????? Some issues are bigger than football

Former United and Republic of Ireland defender Paul McGrath was also compelled to comment, tweeting: "As ex footballer having experienced racist comments throughout my career I was saddened to see Liverpool players wear those tshirts last nite."
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No, they dont read. Pair of thick twats.
 
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[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450528#msg1450528 date=1324561023]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
[/quote]



How *do* we find out? I don't know. I haven't pursued it as my father isn't doing. Perhaps I will one day.


I wasn't made fun of as such, but I was on the recieving end of prejudiced remarks a number of times when I lived in the south of England just because I appear to look a bit Jewish to some people.


I'm sorry to hear about that stuff from when you were at school; it can be pretty alarming.
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No need to apologize mate, it's reality. I saw much worse stuff in Uni (Swastikas etc) and that's a school where 30% were Jewish. I think after a while, you just numb yourself to it, and just become more vigilant and aware.

You have a big nose and big ears too? 😉 I kid I kid.
 
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As a youngster growing up in England, i was constantly abused due to my heritage as well.
 
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[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450528#msg1450528 date=1324561023]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
[/quote]



How *do* we find out? I don't know. I haven't pursued it as my father isn't doing. Perhaps I will one day.


I wasn't made fun of as such, but I was on the recieving end of prejudiced remarks a number of times when I lived in the south of England just because I appear to look a bit Jewish to some people.


I'm sorry to hear about that stuff from when you were at school; it can be pretty alarming.
[/quote]

it's weird how deep those seemingly distant genes can run, isn't it? me and all my siblings and cousins have a jewish great-grandfather, and some of them look absolutely red sea pedestrian-ish. one of them, in particular, looks as jewish as anyone. Google 'Ted Jeory' and you'll see what i mean!
 
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)

I walked into the office once to a guy telling me with a big smile on his face how they had 'smashed the pakis' last night. It's common and accepted to use the phrase pakis here in Australia. They see it the same as saying pommie. this guy explained all this to me after he finally woke up. Its what they call the cricket team. My face literally dropped 1st few time I heard it said right in front of my face.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1450524#msg1450524 date=1324560747]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
[/quote]

That might not have been offensive where he came from Wizzy. You should be (even) more tolerant.
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That is not at all what the cultural difference thing means here. What you are pointing fun at is utter nonsense. The actual circumstances which have been explained in plain English at least 40 times in the last thread are just not getting through. I don't understand what's going on I really don't. Have I become so scarily intelligent and such a genius that I somehow expect too much of my fellow humans?
 
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I don't really understand angelfish Dantes. No matter how clear it is.


EDIT: this joke doesn't work since your edit. Thanks.
 
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As a Scouser in England, everytime I go visit the kids 'dahn South' or up in Sheffield, if we go out and a compare says 'Any Scousers here?' we don't reply, because its always followed by 'Watch your coats' or 'Wheres my hubcaps?'.

It grates after the first 100 times ...

That was in reply to the Aussie 'Pak*' one btw, not the racial one...
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1450538#msg1450538 date=1324561915]
I don't really understand angelfish Dantes. No matter how clear it is
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damn you autocorrect
 
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[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=48021.msg1450529#msg1450529 date=1324561201]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=48021.msg1450501#msg1450501 date=1324559087]
Don't these people (by these I don't mean because of their skin tone) people read ?

JasonRoberts30 Jason Roberts The Stance on the Suarez issue from LFC has bemused me...are United going to print Evra shirts now????? Some issues are bigger than football

Former United and Republic of Ireland defender Paul McGrath was also compelled to comment, tweeting: "As ex footballer having experienced racist comments throughout my career I was saddened to see Liverpool players wear those tshirts last nite."
[/quote]
No, they dont read. Pair of thick twats.
[/quote]

It isn't just them. That sarky cnut Saggers on TalkSh!te was saying similar things last night, as was Collymore (though he stopped because he was getting that much stick for it from LFC fans on Twitter). Basically these people (who mostly aren't really thick) either want to sh!t-stir or just can't be bothered to think the whole thing through. Or both.
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48021.msg1450537#msg1450537 date=1324561781]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48021.msg1450524#msg1450524 date=1324560747]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450521#msg1450521 date=1324560558]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=48021.msg1450518#msg1450518 date=1324560280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1450469#msg1450469 date=1324555384]
What's your Jewish connection Robinho?
[/quote]

I'm not ignoring you. Just getting to it...

I think I might have told you this before, but anyway - it's vague - I'm not pretending there were any practising Jews in my family in my lifetime, but we believe my father's mother's father was part Jewish.
[/quote]

Interesting ... how do you guys find out? Did people make fun of you after you told them? To be honest, I was racially abused a few times in England - I was always called p*** b/c I had very dark skin when I was younger ... When I played footy for my boarding school (Jewish), one kid told me, "Hitler should have finished you lot off." How the hell does a 13-14 year old kid say that kind of stuff?
[/quote]

That might not have been offensive where he came from Wizzy. You should be (even) more tolerant.
[/quote]

That is not at all what the cultural difference thing means here. What you are pointing fun at is utter nonsense. The actual circumstances which have been explained in plain English at least 40 times in the last thread are just not getting through. I don't understand what's going on I really don't. Have I become so scarily intelligent and such a genius that I somehow expect too much of my fellow humans?
[/quote]

I guess the last sentence is possible, but I doubt it. 😉 Other than that, well said.
 
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48021.msg1450533#msg1450533 date=1324561594]
As a youngster growing up in England, i was constantly abused due to my heritage as well.
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Yeah but you are Welsh though!
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=48021.msg1450543#msg1450543 date=1324562435]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48021.msg1450533#msg1450533 date=1324561594]
As a youngster growing up in England, i was constantly abused due to my heritage as well.
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Yeah but you are Welsh though!
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that is pretty bad, tbh. still, least he's not cornish. their illiterate scum.
 
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=48021.msg1450539#msg1450539 date=1324561928]
As a Scouser in England, everytime I go visit the kids 'dahn South' or up in Sheffield, if we go out and a compare says 'Any Scousers here?' we don't reply, because its always followed by 'Watch your coats' or 'Wheres my hubcaps?'.

It grates after the first 100 times ...
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Yes I have had a lot of experience of this. The standard conversation goes:

"Where are you from?"
"Liverpool."
"How come your car has hubcaps then?"
"That's not very funny."
"I thought you guys were famous for your sense of humour."

Reactions to the statement you come from Liverpool often show quite incredible ignorance. In mixed company on a holiday once, when I said I was from Liverpool, all the females automatically looked down to check their handbags were still there. One guy from Leamington Spa said "I am surprised you are prepared to admit you come from Liverpool!" At a corporate hospitality event for a one-day cricket at Lords, one of my fellow-invitees said "Oh, I suppose you live on the Wirral." "No, Liverpool," I insisted. "REALLY???" he responded, his jaw dropping with astonishment. :🙂
 
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The word "race" implies there are differences between races in terms of behavior, intelligence, ability, innate skills, etc due to someones genetics. This is totally false, there are no such differences based on biology, at all. So the term race is not based on anything. Its vacuous.

The only difference based on biology is superficial things like skin colour. That's it. Skin colour does not mean anything other than which wavelength of photons the persons skin absorbs light at. So when you say negrito in another culture, it is understood as just this (obivously not in scientific terms, but it is understood as purely colour with no negative connotations). For them there is no logical pathway to go from negrito to making inferences about "race". If anything Suarez has much better morals on this issue, because he is the only one here that has demonstrated that he can use a reference to colour and not in his mind be tagging on other unscientific bullshit conclusions onto it. He has a seperation between colour, and other inate characteristics.

How you can hold him up as a racist, and then blame his cultural ignorance. It's truly disgusting if I'm honest. I'm disgusted at the FA, at this country's bullshit notion of their own moral superiority. Go to fuck. Or go to biology class. Morons. By talking about race you are placing words into Suarez's mouth. Those words have come from your minds.... not his.

The only connotations on Suarez's mind were to call Evra a pussy or a girl. And only half a dozen posters on here seem to get that. I don't think the rest of our squad even gets it from their statement. Or even Kenny. Or anyone who's come out in support of Suarez. The only people are some posters on here, their spanish speaking friends, Gus Poyet, and that's about it. Which is why I am shocked.
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48021.msg1450547#msg1450547 date=1324562754]
The word "race" implies there are differences between races in terms of behavior, intelligence, ability, innate skills, etc due to someones genetics. This is totally false, there are no such differences based on biology, at all. So the term race is not based on anything. Its vacuous.

The only difference based on biology is superficial things like skin colour. That's it. Skin colour does not mean anything other than which wavelength of photons the persons skin absorbs light at. So when you say negrito in another culture, it is understood as just this (obivously not in scientific terms, but it is understood as purely colour with no negative connotations). For them there is no logical pathway to go from negrito to making inferences about "race". If anything Suarez has much better morals on this issue, because he is the only one here that has demonstrated that he can use a reference to colour and not in his mind be tagging on other unscientific bullshit conclusions onto it. He has a seperation between colour, and other inate characteristics.

How you can hold him up as a racist, and then blame his cultural ignorance. It's truly disgusting if I'm honest. I'm disgusted at the FA, at this country's bullshit notion of their own moral superiority. Go to fuck. Or go to biology class. Morons. By talking about race you are placing words into Suarez's mouth. Those words have come from your minds.... not his.

The only connotations on Suarez's mind were to call Evra a pussy or a girl. And only half a dozen posters on here seem to get that. I don't think the rest of our squad even gets it from their statement. Or even Kenny. Or anyone who's come out in support of Suarez. The only people are some posters on here, their spanish speaking friends, Gus Poyet, and that's about it. Which is why I am shocked.
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Aggressive but correct.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48021.msg1450541#msg1450541 date=1324562005]
It isn't just them. That sarky cnut Saggers on TalkSh!te was saying similar things last night, as was Collymore (though he stopped because he was getting that much stick for it from LFC fans on Twitter). Basically these people (who mostly aren't really thick) either want to sh!t-stir or just can't be bothered to think the whole thing through. Or both.
[/quote]

Or maybe you know it's actually how they feel?
 
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Dantes:

In the statement that emerged from Anfield, it was asserted that the club had gone over the facts of the case and concluded "that Luis Suárez did not commit any racist act". The Uruguayan forward's defence included the claim that in his native country the Spanish terms referring to skin colour are used in a matter-of-fact way during amicable conversations. That may be true, to some extent or other, but it could be said that even though he arrived in Groningen from Montevideo in 2006 without a word of English or Dutch, he has lived in Europe long enough – five years in the multicultural Netherlands, one year in equally diverse Liverpool – to know how to avoid causing unnecessary offence.

Suárez has not been convicted of being a racist. To prove or demolish such a contention would require rather more than the 40 hours of deliberation undertaken, over four days of hearing and sifting evidence, by the panel. He was simply convicted of insulting Evra during the course of an exchange in which, as he admitted, he used the word "negro". The way Evra heard it, the term was used to add weight to the insult. The panel must have had good reasons for agreeing, while declining to accept the view that there is a cultural context in which the use of such a term – particularly as part of an exchange of abuse – may be acceptable
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48021.msg1450544#msg1450544 date=1324562555]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=48021.msg1450543#msg1450543 date=1324562435]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48021.msg1450533#msg1450533 date=1324561594]
As a youngster growing up in England, i was constantly abused due to my heritage as well.
[/quote]

Yeah but you are Welsh though!
[/quote]

that is pretty bad, tbh. still, least he's not cornish. their illiterate scum.
[/quote]

Oh the irony.

They're....
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