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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=keniget link=topic=47188.msg1423789#msg1423789 date=1320833843]
Sweet.

Spidey... my nigga!
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ha ha you get a pass keni, as you're practically black already 😉
 
I hate it when people say"I'm not a racist some of my best friend's are black".
If Suarez uses this line in his defence give him 6 games on the spot.
Hate that excuse
 
[quote author=Leon link=topic=47188.msg1423808#msg1423808 date=1320836293]
I hate it when people say"I'm not a racist some of my best friend's are black".
If Suarez uses this line in his defence give him 6 games on the spot.
Hate that excuse
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www.blackpeopleloveus.com
 
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1423802#msg1423802 date=1320835364]
And what happens if you're African? Does that count too?
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Not really. Boers are technically African. Didnt make them less cunty.
Thing is arabs hate black people too. At least thats what I've heard and witnessed.
Basically we're the lowest of the low.
I've met people who hate us for no apparent reason.

Black people even hate other black people, light skinned vs dark skinned. Yes it's that low.
I brought a Gambian friend over to my house once and my mom was like "who is this black guy."
In my country of origin (actually my parents country) they have derogatory term for dark skinned people. They call them day labourers. You know, they're out in The Lying Rag.

It's more or less a tolerance issue IMO.
Like on what level you tolerate black people.
Only place I've been to where they don't hate us is Thailand. Although they kept offering me different facial cremes with bleach.

But lately I'd say that we're getting competition from the Arabs. I know that Jews held that title for a while and we're also getting steady competition from gypsies but we're still holding on to it for the time being.
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1423944#msg1423944 date=1320859467]
People don't hate you because you're black Modo.
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Haha good one.
 
just like visas, there should be a qouta of white people that are allowed to use the 'n' word with impunity for a year. you have to apply through the proper channels and then at the end of the year you lose the right and so have to apply again.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47188.msg1423947#msg1423947 date=1320860114]
just like visas, there should be a qouta of white people that are allowed to use the 'n' word with impunity for a year. you have to apply through the proper channels and then at the end of the year you lose the right and so have to apply again.
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A n***** licence?
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47188.msg1423943#msg1423943 date=1320859336]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1423802#msg1423802 date=1320835364]
And what happens if you're African? Does that count too?
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Not really. Boers are technically African. Didnt make them less cunty.
Thing is arabs hate black people too. At least thats what I've heard and witnessed.
Basically we're the lowest of the low.
I've met people who hate us for no apparent reason.

Black people even hate other black people, light skinned vs dark skinned. Yes it's that low.
I brought a Gambian friend over to my house once and my mom was like "who is this black guy."
In my country of origin (actually my parents country) they have derogatory term for dark skinned people. They call them day labourers. You know, they're out in the S**.

It's more or less a tolerance issue IMO.
Like on what level you tolerate black people.
Only place I've been to where they don't hate us is Thailand. Although they kept offering me different facial cremes with bleach.

But lately I'd say that we're getting competition from the Arabs. I know that Jews held that title for a while and we're also getting steady competition from gypsies but we're still holding on to it for the time being.
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All of this.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47188.msg1423948#msg1423948 date=1320860178]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47188.msg1423947#msg1423947 date=1320860114]
just like visas, there should be a qouta of white people that are allowed to use the 'n' word with impunity for a year. you have to apply through the proper channels and then at the end of the year you lose the right and so have to apply again.
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A n***** licence?
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ha ha
 
I really don't get the point of racism. Everyone needs to go take some morphine and chill the fuck out or something.
 
Na, smack makes you go a bit too hyped. You want everyone so doped they can't be fucked with the aggro like.
 
It's gone very quiet, the other alleged quotes from Luis never amounted to much, it seems to me like it's falling off the radar...*touches wood and crosses fingers.
Why would it take this long to investigate. The FA would need statements off the two teams on the pitch, the officials and look at any possible video evidence.
Sky have already scrutinised in depth their footage and would have been yelping with delight had they found anything...............they didn't.
The officials never heard anything, if they did it would have come out at the time. Presumably half the players on the pitch would not have heard a thing (guv) and had any of the other half anything to say I am sure we would have heard it by now.


regards
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=47188.msg1424022#msg1424022 date=1320874457]
I really don't get the point of racism. Everyone needs to go take some morphine and chill the fuck out or something.
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I'll pass on the morphine bit, but otherwise I agree very, very strongly. I've thought for a very long time that this would be the most productive approach for the whole anti-racism cause to take.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1424623#msg1424623 date=1321015191] I've thought for a very long time that this would be the most productive approach for the whole anti-racism cause to take.
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I tend to agree. The less people think in terms of race the better. I think well-meaning anti-racist organisations sometimes stir it up by keeping the issue of race on the boil.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=47188.msg1424649#msg1424649 date=1321018104]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1424623#msg1424623 date=1321015191] I've thought for a very long time that this would be the most productive approach for the whole anti-racism cause to take.
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I tend to agree. The less people think in terms of race the better. I think well-meaning anti-racist organisations sometimes stir it up by keeping the issue of race on the boil.
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Hahahahahahahahahaaaa !

Fucking hell.

Wow !
 
I understand where that reasoning is coming from.

It's not laughable at all....

I hope my integrity and race is not attacked for my belief.
 
Themn, no-one's suggesting the current sanctions should be discontinued, but organisations such as the BNP (and the people for whom they speak) thrive on confrontation. What Portly and I are saying is that what I once heard someone call "de-ghettoising" is a more effective response to them in many situations short of actual criminal offence. A number of organisations which represent disabled groups have certainly found this to be the case - militant demonstrations etc.lose them public support, whereas an approach aimed above all at getting the public thinking "Well, why the f'ck DO we still treat [for example] special needs kids as an alien species?" has brought about real change.
 
As far I can see, the anti-racism groups kick off when there's something to kick off about.

What ? Are they supposed to sit on the ground and sing songs ?

I wish there were the orginisations there are now, back when Tommy Twat Head Smith made his "nigger" rant.

Just the other day, on this site, somebody referred to Javier Hernandez as a "Tijuana skip rat"

Like, what in the actual fuck ?

If people didn't say racist fucked up shit, there'd be no need for groups to get all pissy about it.

It'd be wonderful if it weren't so, but, it fucking well is, so fuck it !
 
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47188.msg1424884#msg1424884 date=1321049181]
I say kill everyone but me and Jodie Foster, and life woudl be perfect
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That would be all a bit Huis-Clos wouldn't it?
 
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47188.msg1424884#msg1424884 date=1321049181]
I say kill everyone but me and Jodie Foster, and life woudl be perfect
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You'd end up like that guy on the Island and ask her to draw a moustache and pretend to be your mate, so you can say 'Guess who I'm Shagging' ..........
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1424886#msg1424886 date=1321049718]
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47188.msg1424884#msg1424884 date=1321049181]
I say kill everyone but me and Jodie Foster, and life woudl be perfect
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You'd end up like that guy on the Island and ask her to draw a moustache and pretend to be your mate, so you can say 'Guess who I'm Shagging' ..........
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Hahaha. Funny cos it's true.
 
Why Jodie Foster! Out of all the good broads out there, you would choose Jodie Foster?


I do not approve. You are better off picking someone from the facts thread.
 
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Modo link=topic=47188.msg1423943#msg1423943 date=1320859336]

Only place I've been to where they don't hate us is Thailand. Although they kept offering me different facial cremes with bleach.
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hahahahahaha Modo that cracks me up. In Asia they offer facial creams with bleach to everyone except us whiteys (we're offered sun bleached beaches to darken us up !

Colour is like ethnicity, religion, politics, cast, weight, height, affluence, the car you own, the team you support ...... ad infinitum. Let's face it, the human race is just fucked up big time and it won't be until 200 years from now when racial mixing has us all the same colour that that particular prejudice will have been replaced by another one.
 
FA delayed by language confusion in Evra-Suárez racism case

• FA may have to consider cultural differences
• Liverpool player denies allegation of racial abuse

Daniel Taylor guardian.co.uk, Sunday 13 November 2011 22.45 GMT Article history

Patrice Evra has been informed that he may have difficulty proving he was the victim of racial abuse from Luis Suárez, because of a counter-argument that certain variations of the N-word are not deemed offensive where the Liverpool player grew up, in Uruguay.

The Manchester United defender has accused Suárez of using racist language during a 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October and is waiting to discover whether, almost a month later, the Football Association will charge the Liverpool striker with misconduct. Top-level sources at Old Trafford say the offending word was uttered in Spanish and allegedly was a derivative of "negro", with Evra stating that it was used "at least 10 times".

However, Suárez has categorically denied racially abusing the Senegal?born France player and the FA's investigators are having to consider the different context with which words that would be considered offensive in England are commonly used in Uruguay and other Spanish-speaking countries.

"Negrito", for example, could have shocking connotations for someone without full knowledge of the nuances of the language. But the counter-argument is that this is one of several derivations that are used in many countries, with no derogatory meaning – often in the same way someone could be called "pal" or "

mate". An illustration of this comes in the form of the message Dani Pacheco, the Liverpool player who is currently on loan at Rayo Vallecano, sent to his Spain Under-21 team-mate Thiago Alcântara via Twitter on Friday. It begins: "Negrito, enjoy yourself …"

This was a conversation between two friends. In Uruguay, it is quite common for commentators to use the same word to describe Premier League players. Visitors to the country can be taken aback by this form of language. But other derivatives are also commonly used, often to describe people of all races in affectionate terms, including family members.

Whether Evra was aware of these nuances at the time is not clear, but he and United have subsequently been informed that the case does not merely rest on what Suárez said but also, crucially, the context in which his words were used. The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.

Suárez, backed by Liverpool, has repeatedly protested his innocence. The forward, who scored all four goals as Uruguay beat Chile 4-0 on Friday, has not publicly disclosed the words he used. He said last week that it was not an insult but just a "way of expressing myself. I called him something his team-mates at Manchester call him, and even they were surprised by his reaction."

The complexities of a difficult, highly sensitive case help to explain why the FA has taken so long to decide whether to take action against Suárez. The player's poor grasp of English has also contributed, as all his interviews have been in Spanish, requiring careful translation.

Any case against him would also have to prove that, having played in Europe since 2006, he should be aware of what is acceptable or not. However, this would be a difficult task. If Suárez accepts he used one of the N?words, he would have the scope to argue it is a common and inoffensive term for someone of his background, citing a clash of language and culture between one player from South America and Europe.

Liverpool have let it be known they will ask the FA to take action against Evra if the governing body concludes that Suárez has no case to answer. However, the latest revelations throw up the possibility that both players have given a legitimate account of what happened, rather than it being a case of one man's word against another.

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, has voiced his objections about the length of time the case is taking the FA, but it is still not clear when an announcement will be made. The case is so complex it may be that the FA needs to take advice from South America about the relevant linguistic issues before deciding whether or not to proceed any further.

Maybe he called him a necro?
 
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