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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1421157#msg1421157 date=1320318422]
I'm saying that.For me the stampede towards a court of law to defend your honour or lack of it is pointless and misses the point, towhit creating an atmosphere of respect between people on the pitch and of it.

They cannot prove for certain that Suarez is innocent unless Evra states he is by saying that he has made a malicious accusation, even if it went to court what purpose would that serve? that Evra is forced to retract his statement due to lack of evidence and apologise himself? Why? What if he was on the end of abuse but it just wasnt captured on the cameras.. if you were Evra would you retract under those circumstances?How does any of this confrontation help?

I take your point being accused of racism is not nice and is indeed slander but i feel there is no need whatsoever to take it to the courts when a simple discussion or mediation between the players may well serve better. Being called "negro" will not be the worst thing that has happened to a black player in his life, words have power its true but at the end of the day Evra walked away intact and is still himself, nor would being accused of having said the word be the worst thing that could happen to you....

Far far worse things happen in life.

The clubs should come together and make it right for all involved, honesty will be required from whomever is lying and then an apology IMO it is the only respectful way forward and the right thing to do for everyone in and out the game. Us sitting around baying for blood either way is not helping and never will help.
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Not that I want Luis to take it to court....i should have elaborated. I just meant that those channels are there for me should I wish to take that path. Similarly there should be a path within the FA for Luis to go to clear his name. We all know that if this is swept under the carpet then he is likely to still receive racist chants at certain grounds in the country (not that it will bother him imo). But on the flip side to your "What if he was on the end of abuse but it just wasnt captured on the cameras.. if you were Evra would you retract under those circumstances?" Shouldnt we also look at Suarez's side? For the 'kick racism out of football' campaign to work it has to work both ways. If Evra is telling a lie, falsely accusing or just plain got the language wrong..then why should Suarez drop it? I hope its dealt with in a classy way and if its a genuine crossing of wires then things are resolved where both players can still hold their heads up.....but who are we kidding, its the FA!!

Far worse things do happen in life 8) I'm not baying for blood either....I just feel that if the campaign as a whole is to work then there has to be respect for it from all races involved and people cant be running to the press at the drop of a hat 🙂
 
I am not baying for blood Molby. What I am simply saying is that if it were possible to find Evra made a false allegation ( which I agree can only happen in the unlikely event of him admitting it), then he should be severely punished.

You seem to feel that if Suarez is found guilty he will get a suspension and move on. That is not what will happen. I would go so far as to say that if found guilty his career in England and possibly even Europe could be over.
 
He does have a past history though Molby> not of racims though but of exaggerated claims. Here is an article I posted on another forum. The link is not working now.

In an extremely detailed analysis of events on 26 April in the hour after United's 2-1 defeat to Chelsea, the commission's report begins as a group of United players, substitutes and those who had only played for a part of the game, led by Strudwick, came out onto the pitch to warm down. Evra claimed in his evidence that as the players ran across the pitch, a groundsman with a lawnmower attempted to "cut his legs".

The report claims that the "atmosphere in the United dressing room and among its players was not good" after the defeat and said that several players "were in a rather wound-up state". The report then describes how Strudwick encouraged the United players to use the penalty area despite it being against Premier League rules to do so while the groundsmen were working on the pitch and without asking their permission. The report says: "Gary Neville in particular was behaving in an abusive and provocative manner towards Chelsea ground staff. However, we do not believe there was anything serious at that stage, and certainly nothing dangerous. We find Mr Evra's description exaggerated."

Then a row broke out between Jason Griffin, the head groundsman and Strudwick. The United man claimed Griffin was carrying a pitchfork and was "instantly aggressive and the tone of his voice was hostile and confrontational". After that Evra ran over and barged Griffin. Strudwick and Evra then claimed that Griffin said: "I'll shove the fucking fork up your arse."
 
Evra is a fucking gobshite and a manc. I don't see the issue here. I mean we all support Liverpool for weird quasi religious reasons and if part of that isn't the ability to overlook certain things we do, and yet jump down the throat of lying motherfucking cocksuckers like Evra then I don't really see the point in being a fan.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=47188.msg1419381#msg1419381 date=1319978314]
But in real time he's been a shit for years. He had an affair with Natalie Reeves while he was at West Ham and her husband/boyfriend went to the papers. They compiled a dossier on him that included his foul attitudes - Spurs, for example, were commonly referred to as 'The Y*ds' - and he took out a super-injunction. The sadly ironic thing is the TV people thought the race issue wouldn't be a problem if they used him as a pundit and then he came out with the 'rape' comment.
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In other news, Pardews just been on SSN proclaiming the FA shouldnt become complacent in dealing with racism issues.... :laugh:
 
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47188.msg1421181#msg1421181 date=1320321347]
Evra is a fucking gobshite and a manc. I don't see the issue here. I mean we all support Liverpool for weird quasi religious reasons and if part of that isn't the ability to overlook certain things we do, and yet jump down the throat of lying motherfucking cocksuckers like Evra then I don't really see the point in being a fan.
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lol.

Its not a nice situation and if it were to transpire that Evra has indeed made a groundless acuation the he should be punished with a similar ban but the bans will mean nothing in the end for either player, after 4, 5,6 games they would play again whatever. The key thing is is that the situation resolves into one in which it is made clear to all viewers of the game that racism casual or otherwise even racism deisgned to gain sporting advantage during a game is not acceptable and is seen not to be acceptable.... IMO that can happen without anybody involved in this nastiness being burned at the stake of national opinion, it will take courage and honesty and a bit of integrity but it would ultimately be in everyones interest. Sorry is also a powerful word when used properly, if everyone was perfect there would be no role models... fuck it its only a game and two fellas having an argument...

Anyway enough of my preaching, I just wish people were nicer to each other more often it would make a difference, even to manc gobshites.....
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1421192#msg1421192 date=1320322706]
even to manc gobshites.....
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This my friend.......is umpossible 😉
 
If ever there was an opportunity to shut the fuck up then Luis just missed.... It's alright apparently he just called him something that Evras united team-mates say to him everyday.... An apology and it will be ALL sorted.

What the fuck.
I'm guessing we are gonna get a close look at Carroll up front on his own for a half dozen games or so and all you can eat shit buffet in the press.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sOaHrW08kLR5fV7OwkdwOVg/view.m?id=15&gid=football/2011/nov/08/luis-suarez-liverpool-patrice-evra&cat=sport
 
You're really easily excitable Molby aren't you mate? He admits fuck all there. As for the criticism about 'speaking out' then maybe they could have reported it when Demento couldn't keep his spiteful whiskey lined mouth shut
 
Maybe Sunny maybe ... So what dya think he called him exactly? Seeing as despite being told not too comment he instead admits to having called him something which wound Evra up?


I'm sure it'll be fine.
 
Seems as if our hero is one chorizo short of an asado!

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I have a horrible feeling this is gonna be one of those cases where someone has used the 'N' word & is claiming that cos other black people use it to each other it's okay.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
I hope this thing that even some of his own teams mates call him is 'shit', but yeah, more likely that our bitey little nobhead has went gone done dropped the N bomb.
 
Needs to be sorted out one way or another very soon. fucking ridiculous the way this is dragging on.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47188.msg1423413#msg1423413 date=1320752126]
I have a horrible feeling this is gonna be one of those cases where someone has used the 'N' word & is claiming that cos other black people use it to each other it's okay.

I hope I'm wrong.
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I reckon you may be right.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47188.msg1423435#msg1423435 date=1320756038]
So, he did it then?


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Well we still don't know what was said, but he's admitting to knowing what he said that upset Evra.

I have a sinking feeling
 
Well, pretty much everyone who isn't white here in the the USA is free to use it nowadays. As long as it has an A at the end of it and not an ER. Hispanics, Chinese and so forth get no grief for saying it neither would Suarez if he didn't say it in a condescending way and instead was using it like "my brother".

Also isn't negro a legitimate way to call a black man in spanish cultures?
 
I'm indifferent to suarez (hate the way he goes down like a 2 dollar whore) if this is true than my indifference will to turn to dislike and no I'm not joking.
 
I wonder what does Luis call his teammates every day. I still cant figure out how, if he used the "N" word ten times, nobody else seems to have heard it, and nobody has reported it to the police.
 
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