The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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So the Mirror, an English newspaper, runs an article on racism in football and instead of using a photo of the England captain, who is accused of racism, they choose to use a photo of a foreign player accused of racism.
Anyone else seeing the irony?
Anyone else seeing the irony?
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@Harry_Cross_ The pic was used because Fergie's quotes are mainly about the Evra/Suarez incident. No conspiracy. Simply reporting his words.
Sums it all up really
@Harry_Cross_ The pic was used because Fergie's quotes are mainly about the Evra/Suarez incident. No conspiracy. Simply reporting his words.
Sums it all up really
Suarez plays charades:
'Britain's muslim community'
'Britain's chinese commuinty':
'Howard Webb'
dunno what he was miming for the top one.
'Britain's muslim community'
'Britain's chinese commuinty':
'Howard Webb'
dunno what he was miming for the top one.
Quite obviously referring to Kaka's goal celebration is our Luis.
Surely the last pic is Roy
[quote author=jon545660 link=topic=47188.msg1419425#msg1419425 date=1319984129]
So the Mirror, an English newspaper, runs an article on racism in football and instead of using a photo of the England captain, who is accused of racism, they choose to use a photo of a foreign player accused of racism.
Anyone else seeing the irony?
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Yes, of course
So the Mirror, an English newspaper, runs an article on racism in football and instead of using a photo of the England captain, who is accused of racism, they choose to use a photo of a foreign player accused of racism.
Anyone else seeing the irony?
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Yes, of course
so...how long are the FA going to look for evidence of this?
My guess is they'll take weeks and then bury a "no charges" verdict on a day of other headlines.
If there's no evidence I want some statement at least referring to Evra's history of unfounded race claims.
My guess is they'll take weeks and then bury a "no charges" verdict on a day of other headlines.
If there's no evidence I want some statement at least referring to Evra's history of unfounded race claims.
I honestly think they're desperate to make something stick to deflect from the Terry case.
I reckon he spent a few moments during the match calling Evra "negro" and I think he got lucky because the camera didn't catch him. I have no evidence it's just what I think. As for Evra falsely accusing people, I read that that is not true although he has been involved in some incidents in which others have made the accusations and complaints.
I hope that Suarez is innocent but if he isn't he must be sanctioned, I don't agree that the instant response to an accusation should be a character assassination of the accuser just along the lines of club loyalty, it's important that black players are not subjected to racist abuse... That's more important than a club rivalry.
I just read an article about the Terry case in which they wrote "you can't say these things", to my mind that's not enough, in the modern world never mind saying it you really shouldn't even be thinking it, these are your colleagues team-mates and friends, as well as opponents and it's been too long a time already for people to know better than to be so fucking mentally lazy as to use racist epithets on or off the pitch.
I hope that Suarez is innocent but if he isn't he must be sanctioned, I don't agree that the instant response to an accusation should be a character assassination of the accuser just along the lines of club loyalty, it's important that black players are not subjected to racist abuse... That's more important than a club rivalry.
I just read an article about the Terry case in which they wrote "you can't say these things", to my mind that's not enough, in the modern world never mind saying it you really shouldn't even be thinking it, these are your colleagues team-mates and friends, as well as opponents and it's been too long a time already for people to know better than to be so fucking mentally lazy as to use racist epithets on or off the pitch.
I agree with all of that. What worries me a bit, though, is your implication that the authorities should be sanctioning what people think as well as what they actually do about it. However abhorrent a person's views, the day we start down the "thought police" road we're at the top of a very slippery slope.
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=47188.msg1421089#msg1421089 date=1320309842]
I think Molbystwin is saying that he can't understand how people can even think like that these days. At least I hope that's what he's saying...
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It's what I got from it and it's what I agree with
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=47188.msg1421089#msg1421089 date=1320309842]
I think Molbystwin is saying that he can't understand how people can even think like that these days. At least I hope that's what he's saying...
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It's what I got from it and it's what I agree with
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47188.msg1421065#msg1421065 date=1320301989]
so...how long are the FA going to look for evidence of this?
My guess is they'll take weeks and then bury a "no charges" verdict on a day of other headlines.
If there's no evidence I want some statement at least referring to Evra's history of unfounded race claims.
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Except that Evra doesn't have a 'history' of race claims. Chelsea - he didn't even hear what was said, it was the back room staff that made the claim. In the case of the claimed racial abuse by Steve Finnan, the accusation was made by a deaf United fan who said he lip-read the racial slur. Evra declined to complain. We need to keep the facts lads.
so...how long are the FA going to look for evidence of this?
My guess is they'll take weeks and then bury a "no charges" verdict on a day of other headlines.
If there's no evidence I want some statement at least referring to Evra's history of unfounded race claims.
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Except that Evra doesn't have a 'history' of race claims. Chelsea - he didn't even hear what was said, it was the back room staff that made the claim. In the case of the claimed racial abuse by Steve Finnan, the accusation was made by a deaf United fan who said he lip-read the racial slur. Evra declined to complain. We need to keep the facts lads.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=47188.msg1421076#msg1421076 date=1320308104]
I reckon he spent a few moments during the match calling Evra "negro" and I think he got lucky because the camera didn't catch him. I have no evidence it's just what I think.
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You can't say what you "think" without being able to back the thought up with some kind of rational reason why you should think that. You seem to be suggesting that Suarez should be punished whether he is guilty or not.
I reckon he spent a few moments during the match calling Evra "negro" and I think he got lucky because the camera didn't catch him. I have no evidence it's just what I think.
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You can't say what you "think" without being able to back the thought up with some kind of rational reason why you should think that. You seem to be suggesting that Suarez should be punished whether he is guilty or not.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1421085#msg1421085 date=1320309268]
I agree with all of that. What worries me a bit, though, is your implication that the authorities should be sanctioning what people think as well as what they actually do about it. However abhorrent a person's views, the day we start down the "thought police" road we're at the top of a very slippery slope.
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I agree Jules and take your point but that isn't my implication, or at least wasnt intended to be.
I don't know maybe to a certain degree I've not been very happy with the clubs response, however understandable, nor indeed some posters comments on here. The press being cunts is not the issue, they always have been and always will be... Samuel whateverthefatfucks name is an east end barrow boy it's not a surprise that he will draw attention away from his mate his mucker Terry and point the lights at that little foriegn diver up north in the self pity city... The mirror showing pictures of Suarez.... Jesus just look at the tubthumping jingoistic shite that the red-tops print every international tournament and you can see it dripping of every page.
We've come so far since fans threw bananas at Digger and it's some of the best progress the game has made, the only worthwhile progress the game has made in the last twenty years IMO, the money and the glamour hasn't improved anything much IMO.
I understand that its important for the club to be foursquare behind Suarez but to then extrapolate and demand punishment for Evra is in my opinion too far and to the detriment of the game in general, black players have the right to play without abuse I dont care if they play for United or anyone and they should also have the right to make a complaint if they feel abused. I also didnt like Kenny drawing the diving accusations into it at the same press conference as though the 2 things were connected or on the same level of seriousness...
I can see the obvious problem with that is people can make malicious accusations, a totally valid viewpoint also.... but...
This old school white attitude has got to adapt fully so that these things dont get said because they dont get thought in the first place. I remember fifteen, twenty years ago the conversations about black players discussing how would Black player X fair up at St.James park on a wet winter night game... they were run of the mill conversations on the terraces and in the pubs among fans.. now we can see that in a game where a large proprtion of our players are non-white just how spurious and ignorant we were back then. Look at big Ron, a lifetime in the game, respected manager who brought on a number of black players to the fore at West brom and it was so engrained for him after so many years it was still so natural for him to say "lazy fucking nigger" about Desailly. Now i'm absolutely certain that if you went round to Big rons house and you were black you would be welcomed in and given a cuppa like the rest of the world, the man is almost certainly not a racist but the recieved bullshit was there tucked in his head.
It's important that we move on as a society away from this lazy bullshit mentality and its important that it doesnt happen in our national game, its more important to me than the behaviour of the press or indeed the odd possibly malicious accusation.
One of the reasons I do happen to think Suarez did it is because Evra got so wound up and then pursued the claim and also because having spent the last 8 years of my life in a Spanish speaking world I know that generally this attitude towards the language of race is quite different here still, sadly. Thats why you get Aragones calling Thierry Henry a monkey and the press make nothing of it, students of mine, nice kids well educated etc use the term Chino for anybody asian or indeed Chinito for anybody asian who happens to be small... it is a totally different ligusitic culture.
I hope Suarez is innocent or if guilty that gets away with it and learns his lesson and doesnt do it again.
As for Terry.... I'll leave that to the southerners to worry about.... i'm way too predjudiced to comment about him.
It's 2011 for gods sake.
I agree with all of that. What worries me a bit, though, is your implication that the authorities should be sanctioning what people think as well as what they actually do about it. However abhorrent a person's views, the day we start down the "thought police" road we're at the top of a very slippery slope.
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I agree Jules and take your point but that isn't my implication, or at least wasnt intended to be.
I don't know maybe to a certain degree I've not been very happy with the clubs response, however understandable, nor indeed some posters comments on here. The press being cunts is not the issue, they always have been and always will be... Samuel whateverthefatfucks name is an east end barrow boy it's not a surprise that he will draw attention away from his mate his mucker Terry and point the lights at that little foriegn diver up north in the self pity city... The mirror showing pictures of Suarez.... Jesus just look at the tubthumping jingoistic shite that the red-tops print every international tournament and you can see it dripping of every page.
We've come so far since fans threw bananas at Digger and it's some of the best progress the game has made, the only worthwhile progress the game has made in the last twenty years IMO, the money and the glamour hasn't improved anything much IMO.
I understand that its important for the club to be foursquare behind Suarez but to then extrapolate and demand punishment for Evra is in my opinion too far and to the detriment of the game in general, black players have the right to play without abuse I dont care if they play for United or anyone and they should also have the right to make a complaint if they feel abused. I also didnt like Kenny drawing the diving accusations into it at the same press conference as though the 2 things were connected or on the same level of seriousness...
I can see the obvious problem with that is people can make malicious accusations, a totally valid viewpoint also.... but...
This old school white attitude has got to adapt fully so that these things dont get said because they dont get thought in the first place. I remember fifteen, twenty years ago the conversations about black players discussing how would Black player X fair up at St.James park on a wet winter night game... they were run of the mill conversations on the terraces and in the pubs among fans.. now we can see that in a game where a large proprtion of our players are non-white just how spurious and ignorant we were back then. Look at big Ron, a lifetime in the game, respected manager who brought on a number of black players to the fore at West brom and it was so engrained for him after so many years it was still so natural for him to say "lazy fucking nigger" about Desailly. Now i'm absolutely certain that if you went round to Big rons house and you were black you would be welcomed in and given a cuppa like the rest of the world, the man is almost certainly not a racist but the recieved bullshit was there tucked in his head.
It's important that we move on as a society away from this lazy bullshit mentality and its important that it doesnt happen in our national game, its more important to me than the behaviour of the press or indeed the odd possibly malicious accusation.
One of the reasons I do happen to think Suarez did it is because Evra got so wound up and then pursued the claim and also because having spent the last 8 years of my life in a Spanish speaking world I know that generally this attitude towards the language of race is quite different here still, sadly. Thats why you get Aragones calling Thierry Henry a monkey and the press make nothing of it, students of mine, nice kids well educated etc use the term Chino for anybody asian or indeed Chinito for anybody asian who happens to be small... it is a totally different ligusitic culture.
I hope Suarez is innocent or if guilty that gets away with it and learns his lesson and doesnt do it again.
As for Terry.... I'll leave that to the southerners to worry about.... i'm way too predjudiced to comment about him.
It's 2011 for gods sake.
I doubt if anyone, apart from Suarez and Evra, knows or will ever know what went on that day. What we do know is that Evra has accused Suarez of calling him the "N" word ten times.
The points I would bring up in this regard are:
1. Despite the fact that Sky TV had at least four different camera angles to review, there is apparently no evidence of these remarks from Suarez.
2. No member of the public ( and remember this was supposed to taken place at the the end where the Man Utd fan were) has come forward to report the matter to the police.
3. As far as we know Evra has not been backed up in his allegations by any of his teammates.
4. If he was abused as he said, why did he not report the fact to the referee immediately.
5. Failing this, if he was abused as he said, why did he not report the matter to the ref as soon as the match ended, instead of waiting for twenty minutes, and then doing it in the company of his manager, who had already accused Suarez on live TV of "diving all over the place".
6. Why did he instead, chose to go on French television immediately after the match to report his acusations, and then say that he didnt want to make a big thing of it.
7. We know there is previous with Evra. Even though it wasnt him that made the accusations, he allowed the investigations to proceed so you have to conclude that he was implicit in the accusations.
8. Evra is a cunt. There are numerous examples to prove that.
If it is proven that Suarez is guilty, he should be punished. I dont think anyone could say otherwise. It is a very serious allegation and if proven would have a very serious effect on his career and, indeed, his future life.
For that reason, if the allegations are proven to be false the Evra should be equally punished.
The points I would bring up in this regard are:
1. Despite the fact that Sky TV had at least four different camera angles to review, there is apparently no evidence of these remarks from Suarez.
2. No member of the public ( and remember this was supposed to taken place at the the end where the Man Utd fan were) has come forward to report the matter to the police.
3. As far as we know Evra has not been backed up in his allegations by any of his teammates.
4. If he was abused as he said, why did he not report the fact to the referee immediately.
5. Failing this, if he was abused as he said, why did he not report the matter to the ref as soon as the match ended, instead of waiting for twenty minutes, and then doing it in the company of his manager, who had already accused Suarez on live TV of "diving all over the place".
6. Why did he instead, chose to go on French television immediately after the match to report his acusations, and then say that he didnt want to make a big thing of it.
7. We know there is previous with Evra. Even though it wasnt him that made the accusations, he allowed the investigations to proceed so you have to conclude that he was implicit in the accusations.
8. Evra is a cunt. There are numerous examples to prove that.
If it is proven that Suarez is guilty, he should be punished. I dont think anyone could say otherwise. It is a very serious allegation and if proven would have a very serious effect on his career and, indeed, his future life.
For that reason, if the allegations are proven to be false the Evra should be equally punished.
Yeah Jack... Evra is a cunt but is he a black cunt?
hola negro, k tal?
I don't know, all this he's got previous etc etc... I just don't like it. You are right maybe just maybe it was a malicious accusation made to the adoring French media, I don't know, and from what it seems you are right there is no evidence and so Suarez is therefore considered innocent, comensurately there has to be a punishment for the false accusation.
How about we didnt ask for a punishment on Evra and let them find no evidence so that it is left as an unfounded accusation and brushed under the trditional carpet where it belongs... Evra can go on his merry malicious way having failed to stitch up the scousers and Suarez carries on as an innocent man but more wary of his new surroundings.
There was no need to raise the stakes for either side it deosnt help in this individual case nor does it help in the broader sphere of racism in football.
hola negro, k tal?
I don't know, all this he's got previous etc etc... I just don't like it. You are right maybe just maybe it was a malicious accusation made to the adoring French media, I don't know, and from what it seems you are right there is no evidence and so Suarez is therefore considered innocent, comensurately there has to be a punishment for the false accusation.
How about we didnt ask for a punishment on Evra and let them find no evidence so that it is left as an unfounded accusation and brushed under the trditional carpet where it belongs... Evra can go on his merry malicious way having failed to stitch up the scousers and Suarez carries on as an innocent man but more wary of his new surroundings.
There was no need to raise the stakes for either side it deosnt help in this individual case nor does it help in the broader sphere of racism in football.
The problem as I see is that if there is no evidence to prove that Evra was racially abused, Luis gets off but will always have the stigma of that accusation attached to him. Then as you say Evra can continue on his merry way.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1421130#msg1421130 date=1320314516]
The problem as I see is that if there is no evidence to prove that Evra was racially abused, Luis gets off but will always have the stigma of that accusation attached to him. Then as you say Evra can continue on his merry way.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
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They cannot prove its absence its impossible... thats why asking for a punishment on Evra is ridiculous, he would actually have to come out and admit to making a malicious accusation and that is not going to happen. the worse crime is to racially abuse someone because their is more than the one victim.
As for the serriousness of the allegation its only as serious as we chose to view it, to be judgemental is to miss the point IMO.
EVERYONE can be and sometimes is racist, all of us white and black. The press and ots hyper scrutiny tends to blow everything up unto microscopic detail and in doing so miss the whole picture... this is real life and shit egt said and shit happens, its pretty much run of the mill everyay humans being humans kind of shit... If found guilty Suarez would recieve a ban and be asked to apologise and that should be the end of it.
The problem as I see is that if there is no evidence to prove that Evra was racially abused, Luis gets off but will always have the stigma of that accusation attached to him. Then as you say Evra can continue on his merry way.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
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They cannot prove its absence its impossible... thats why asking for a punishment on Evra is ridiculous, he would actually have to come out and admit to making a malicious accusation and that is not going to happen. the worse crime is to racially abuse someone because their is more than the one victim.
As for the serriousness of the allegation its only as serious as we chose to view it, to be judgemental is to miss the point IMO.
EVERYONE can be and sometimes is racist, all of us white and black. The press and ots hyper scrutiny tends to blow everything up unto microscopic detail and in doing so miss the whole picture... this is real life and shit egt said and shit happens, its pretty much run of the mill everyay humans being humans kind of shit... If found guilty Suarez would recieve a ban and be asked to apologise and that should be the end of it.
If found guilty Suarez will receive a ban and be asked to apologise but that will NOT be the end of it. He will be branded as a racist for the rest of his life and if he is guilty then rightly so.
That is why if the allegation is false then the accuser should be equally punished and branded. I do of course take your point that Evra is unlikely to admit that he made a false allegation. That does not take away from the fact that if guilty he should be punished.
That is why if the allegation is false then the accuser should be equally punished and branded. I do of course take your point that Evra is unlikely to admit that he made a false allegation. That does not take away from the fact that if guilty he should be punished.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1421144#msg1421144 date=1320316625]
If found guilty Suarez will receive a ban and be asked to apologise but that will NOT be the end of it. He will be branded as a racist for the rest of his life and if he is guilty then rightly so.
That is why if the allegation is false then the accuser should be equally punished and branded. I do of course take your point that Evra is unlikely to admit that he made a false allegation. That does not take away from the fact that if guilty he should be punished.
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I agree with Jack. I know Molbystwin feels strongly that Evra shouldnt be punished and its almost as if he has Suarez guilty already. Thats fine if thats his opinion but all i know is....If someone branded me a racist and it stood to diminish my reputation in a professional standing....id have them in court for defamation if it was proven that I was falsely accused. Evra will hardly back track, but if he was found to falsely accused then why on earth shouldnt he be punished?....if its a language barrier then the FA should at least slap him on the wrists for not going through the right channels and declaring it on TV before they could open a formal investigation. Throwing a bone like that to the media minutes after one of the biggest games in club football was one of the most cuntish things any player could of done!!
If found guilty Suarez will receive a ban and be asked to apologise but that will NOT be the end of it. He will be branded as a racist for the rest of his life and if he is guilty then rightly so.
That is why if the allegation is false then the accuser should be equally punished and branded. I do of course take your point that Evra is unlikely to admit that he made a false allegation. That does not take away from the fact that if guilty he should be punished.
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I agree with Jack. I know Molbystwin feels strongly that Evra shouldnt be punished and its almost as if he has Suarez guilty already. Thats fine if thats his opinion but all i know is....If someone branded me a racist and it stood to diminish my reputation in a professional standing....id have them in court for defamation if it was proven that I was falsely accused. Evra will hardly back track, but if he was found to falsely accused then why on earth shouldnt he be punished?....if its a language barrier then the FA should at least slap him on the wrists for not going through the right channels and declaring it on TV before they could open a formal investigation. Throwing a bone like that to the media minutes after one of the biggest games in club football was one of the most cuntish things any player could of done!!
I'm saying that.For me the stampede towards a court of law to defend your honour or lack of it is pointless and misses the point, towhit creating an atmosphere of respect between people on the pitch and of it.
They cannot prove for certain that Suarez is innocent unless Evra states he is by saying that he has made a malicious accusation, even if it went to court what purpose would that serve? that Evra is forced to retract his statement due to lack of evidence and apologise himself? Why? What if he was on the end of abuse but it just wasnt captured on the cameras.. if you were Evra would you retract under those circumstances?How does any of this confrontation help?
I take your point being accused of racism is not nice and is indeed slander but i feel there is no need whatsoever to take it to the courts when a simple discussion or mediation between the players may well serve better. Being called "negro" will not be the worst thing that has happened to a black player in his life, words have power its true but at the end of the day Evra walked away intact and is still himself, nor would being accused of having said the word be the worst thing that could happen to you....
Far far worse things happen in life.
The clubs should come together and make it right for all involved, honesty will be required from whomever is lying and then an apology IMO it is the only respectful way forward and the right thing to do for everyone in and out the game. Us sitting around baying for blood either way is not helping and never will help.
They cannot prove for certain that Suarez is innocent unless Evra states he is by saying that he has made a malicious accusation, even if it went to court what purpose would that serve? that Evra is forced to retract his statement due to lack of evidence and apologise himself? Why? What if he was on the end of abuse but it just wasnt captured on the cameras.. if you were Evra would you retract under those circumstances?How does any of this confrontation help?
I take your point being accused of racism is not nice and is indeed slander but i feel there is no need whatsoever to take it to the courts when a simple discussion or mediation between the players may well serve better. Being called "negro" will not be the worst thing that has happened to a black player in his life, words have power its true but at the end of the day Evra walked away intact and is still himself, nor would being accused of having said the word be the worst thing that could happen to you....
Far far worse things happen in life.
The clubs should come together and make it right for all involved, honesty will be required from whomever is lying and then an apology IMO it is the only respectful way forward and the right thing to do for everyone in and out the game. Us sitting around baying for blood either way is not helping and never will help.
The cynic in me would say the reason the PFA were told to feck off is because the longer this goes on the more mud sticks on Suarez, regardless of lack of evidence and it being his word against Evra's.
Given recent events, what's to stop another manager speaking to the media a couple of hours after playing man utd and question the reasoning behind Rooney recklessly booting one of his player up in the air for whatever reason and getting a yellow/red card? Because that would be questioning Rooney's integrity.
It would be the same here. Say Suarez is cleared but then in the heat of the moment goes in with a reckless challenge on a player who happens to be black. A lot of people are immediately going to say...see, told you he's racist.
Given recent events, what's to stop another manager speaking to the media a couple of hours after playing man utd and question the reasoning behind Rooney recklessly booting one of his player up in the air for whatever reason and getting a yellow/red card? Because that would be questioning Rooney's integrity.
It would be the same here. Say Suarez is cleared but then in the heat of the moment goes in with a reckless challenge on a player who happens to be black. A lot of people are immediately going to say...see, told you he's racist.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47188.msg1421130#msg1421130 date=1320314516]
The problem as I see is that if there is no evidence to prove that Evra was racially abused, Luis gets off but will always have the stigma of that accusation attached to him. Then as you say Evra can continue on his merry way.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
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Is it because I is Black (Ali G) springs to mind ....
The problem as I see is that if there is no evidence to prove that Evra was racially abused, Luis gets off but will always have the stigma of that accusation attached to him. Then as you say Evra can continue on his merry way.
On the other hand if it were proven to be a false allegation then, then because of the seriousness of the allegation and the possible effects on the Suarez, Evra should be punished.
Which is the worst crime?
To racially abuse someone or to falsely accuse someone of racially abusing you.
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Is it because I is Black (Ali G) springs to mind ....
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