The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47188.msg1412826#msg1412826 date=1318775607]
I think the fact he said the ref heard it makes it bollocks TBH, cos surely if the ref heard him use a racist word he'd at least book him.
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If there's any justice Evra's obviously lying allegation should lead to a misconduct charge in its own right.
I think the fact he said the ref heard it makes it bollocks TBH, cos surely if the ref heard him use a racist word he'd at least book him.
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If there's any justice Evra's obviously lying allegation should lead to a misconduct charge in its own right.
This is the third or fourth time he try to have someone suspended on racicm?? If someone call you a big dick Patrice it is because you are generally a cockhead, not because black guys have bigger dicks!!
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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Evra fucked me off from the word go yesterday. I thought players were supposed to be booked these days for asking for a card to be shown?
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Then he kissed his United badge at the Paddock to further provoke a reaction. He's a complete and utter cunt.
By the way, a lot of United lads i know think he's a major liability now. Gone well off the boil in the last two seasons. Regularly caught out of possession.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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Evra fucked me off from the word go yesterday. I thought players were supposed to be booked these days for asking for a card to be shown?
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Then he kissed his United badge at the Paddock to further provoke a reaction. He's a complete and utter cunt.
By the way, a lot of United lads i know think he's a major liability now. Gone well off the boil in the last two seasons. Regularly caught out of possession.
Nah, Evra is a quality player.
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=47188.msg1412848#msg1412848 date=1318780812]
Nah, Evra is a quality player.
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Im just going off what they're saying. I used to think he was brilliant but he's had some shockers in the last few seasons.
He was shite against us at Anfield last season, and United's worst player in the Champions League final to name but two games.
Nah, Evra is a quality player.
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Im just going off what they're saying. I used to think he was brilliant but he's had some shockers in the last few seasons.
He was shite against us at Anfield last season, and United's worst player in the Champions League final to name but two games.
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1412787#msg1412787 date=1318767481]
Methinks Suarez has United scared, not saying Ginsoak would do this to try and put Suarez off his game, but This is exactly the kind of think Ginsoak would try to do, to derail Liverpools momentum 😛
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What momentum.
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We are definatly 'on the up'
When was the last time a United team came to Anfield fielding a defensive formation and 2 holding midfielders?
United was Shit Scared of us yesterday, and they was so fucking lucky to get away with a point.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47188.msg1412787#msg1412787 date=1318767481]
Methinks Suarez has United scared, not saying Ginsoak would do this to try and put Suarez off his game, but This is exactly the kind of think Ginsoak would try to do, to derail Liverpools momentum 😛
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What momentum.
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We are definatly 'on the up'
When was the last time a United team came to Anfield fielding a defensive formation and 2 holding midfielders?
United was Shit Scared of us yesterday, and they was so fucking lucky to get away with a point.
Fergie was shitting himself, he played jones as a DM & played for a draw, that says it all.
I have been harassed by a black man on 2 separate occasions to the point of police involvement. Both said I'd been making racist comments.
Re: Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
'United was Shit Scared of us yesterday, and they was so fucking lucky to get away with a point.'
I agree. They were 'lucky' not to have conceded more than the one goal, but it wasn't blind luck that they scored when they did: they take their chances, year after year. Something we need to learn to do, we could've had 3, 4 or 5 yesterday.
Anyways, on the Suarez thing: Evra's a little twat, used to be the best lett-back in the league a couple of seasons ago, now he's looking more and more liable to make errors. No one can deny that there are serious question marks against his character.
Sadly, we can say the same of Suarez, he's no saint!
'United was Shit Scared of us yesterday, and they was so fucking lucky to get away with a point.'
I agree. They were 'lucky' not to have conceded more than the one goal, but it wasn't blind luck that they scored when they did: they take their chances, year after year. Something we need to learn to do, we could've had 3, 4 or 5 yesterday.
Anyways, on the Suarez thing: Evra's a little twat, used to be the best lett-back in the league a couple of seasons ago, now he's looking more and more liable to make errors. No one can deny that there are serious question marks against his character.
Sadly, we can say the same of Suarez, he's no saint!
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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What's the source for De Gea statement Rosco ? I can't find anything on Google.
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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What's the source for De Gea statement Rosco ? I can't find anything on Google.
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=47188.msg1412888#msg1412888 date=1318787479]
Evra has had 3 previous accusations proven false. Surely something needs to be done it makes a mockery of the Premier League's campaigns against racism.
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Not entirely true.
With Finnan, he never made an allegation. Some lipreader watching the game did.
With the incident involving the Chelsea staff member he stated he didn't hear any racist comments, it was someone else at United that made the allegation.
Evra has had 3 previous accusations proven false. Surely something needs to be done it makes a mockery of the Premier League's campaigns against racism.
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Not entirely true.
With Finnan, he never made an allegation. Some lipreader watching the game did.
With the incident involving the Chelsea staff member he stated he didn't hear any racist comments, it was someone else at United that made the allegation.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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What's the source for De Gea statement Rosco ? I can't find anything on Google.
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I did an Evra on it and just made it up.
I read it elsewhere, not sure of the validity of it.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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What's the source for De Gea statement Rosco ? I can't find anything on Google.
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I did an Evra on it and just made it up.
I read it elsewhere, not sure of the validity of it.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47188.msg1412899#msg1412899 date=1318789117]
YOU MAD EVRA?
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Didn't realised he did this for Gerrard's freekick. Give him an assist. 😛
YOU MAD EVRA?
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Didn't realised he did this for Gerrard's freekick. Give him an assist. 😛
I hope so too.
Im not ruling it out but I'd be very disappointed if he did. However, I think that there's a distinction been that making him a racist and him being a cunt for trying to wind up an opponent that way.
Anyway, it seems like Evra isnt such a reliable source so let's see what happens. If I was Suarez and I was innocent I'd be going to a lawyer.
Im not ruling it out but I'd be very disappointed if he did. However, I think that there's a distinction been that making him a racist and him being a cunt for trying to wind up an opponent that way.
Anyway, it seems like Evra isnt such a reliable source so let's see what happens. If I was Suarez and I was innocent I'd be going to a lawyer.
Liverpool have given their firm backing to Luis Suárez over his denial that he racially abused Patrice Evra at Anfield on Saturday – and want the Manchester United defender to receive a ban from the Football Association should his accusations prove groundless.
The Uruguay international has vehemently denied Evra's allegations that he racially abused him during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with United and will fight to clear his name if the FA decides to open a disciplinary case.
Suárez has also received a show of support from his employers. A Liverpool spokesman said: "Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player."
The inquiry will begin with the FA asking to speak to Evra on Monday to ascertain whether he intends to make an official complaint. Evra's accusation is that he was called "a nigger" – the Senegal-born Frenchman said he heard it "at least 10 times" – but Suárez insists it is not true.
"I'm upset by the accusations of racism," he said. "I can only say that I have always respected, and respect, everybody. We are all the same." Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.
Evra, accompanied by Sir Alex Ferguson, asked to see the referee Andre Marriner, after the match to report the alleged incidents and later expressed his anger in an interview with Canal Plus.
"In 2011, there are things you can't say any more," he said. "The referee knows and there will be an investigation. But I don't want to repeat what he said." The interviewer asked if Suárez had used racist words and he replied: "Yes, he did. We can see thanks to the television what he said. He said it at least 10 times. We can read it on his lips."
Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.
On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez. United would not say if there were witnesses to Evra's allegations but, without them, the authorities may decide it is a case of one man's word against another.
In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.
A message was read out before the game saying that Liverpool did not tolerate racism of any form, and there was a message in the club programme, including a telephone number for supporters to report anyone guilty of offences.
Lord Herman Ouesley, the chairman of Kick It Out, said any footballer guilty of racism should face "severe action" both from the FA and the player's club, but "you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt".
He added: "There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed. But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."
The Uruguay international has vehemently denied Evra's allegations that he racially abused him during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with United and will fight to clear his name if the FA decides to open a disciplinary case.
Suárez has also received a show of support from his employers. A Liverpool spokesman said: "Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player."
The inquiry will begin with the FA asking to speak to Evra on Monday to ascertain whether he intends to make an official complaint. Evra's accusation is that he was called "a nigger" – the Senegal-born Frenchman said he heard it "at least 10 times" – but Suárez insists it is not true.
"I'm upset by the accusations of racism," he said. "I can only say that I have always respected, and respect, everybody. We are all the same." Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.
Evra, accompanied by Sir Alex Ferguson, asked to see the referee Andre Marriner, after the match to report the alleged incidents and later expressed his anger in an interview with Canal Plus.
"In 2011, there are things you can't say any more," he said. "The referee knows and there will be an investigation. But I don't want to repeat what he said." The interviewer asked if Suárez had used racist words and he replied: "Yes, he did. We can see thanks to the television what he said. He said it at least 10 times. We can read it on his lips."
Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.
On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez. United would not say if there were witnesses to Evra's allegations but, without them, the authorities may decide it is a case of one man's word against another.
In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.
A message was read out before the game saying that Liverpool did not tolerate racism of any form, and there was a message in the club programme, including a telephone number for supporters to report anyone guilty of offences.
Lord Herman Ouesley, the chairman of Kick It Out, said any footballer guilty of racism should face "severe action" both from the FA and the player's club, but "you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt".
He added: "There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed. But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."
Evra was in angry mood from the word go on Saturday. Off the op of my head, I've got this:
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47188.msg1413051#msg1413051 date=1318813495]
Evra was in angry mood from the word go on Saturday. Off the op of my head, I've got this:
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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This is the important bit to remember.
Evra was in angry mood from the word go on Saturday. Off the op of my head, I've got this:
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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This is the important bit to remember.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47188.msg1413051#msg1413051 date=1318813495]
Evra was in angry mood from the word go on Saturday. Off the op of my head, I've got this:
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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Yeah I mentioned this earlier, why the fuck wasn't he booked for asking for a card for Downing? I thought that was the roolz these days?
Evra was in angry mood from the word go on Saturday. Off the op of my head, I've got this:
- He looked clearly fucked off at not wining the toss. Or maybe he thought he actually did win it, either way the fucker didn't want us playing towards the Kop in the second half
- Downing's dive on the touchline in the first half. He took monumental offence to it.
- Suarez kicking him on the knee in the second half down in front of the Kop
- And then Suarez patting him on the head.
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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Yeah I mentioned this earlier, why the fuck wasn't he booked for asking for a card for Downing? I thought that was the roolz these days?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47188.msg1413051#msg1413051 date=1318813495]
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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So some in the French press actually talk to the lying asshole who led the player riot during the world cup...
He was riled up for the entire 90 minutes, so took his frustration out by mouthing off to the French press. I don't believe a word the cunt says.
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So some in the French press actually talk to the lying asshole who led the player riot during the world cup...
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47188.msg1412829#msg1412829 date=1318775983]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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Evra fucked me off from the word go yesterday. I thought players were supposed to be booked these days for asking for a card to be shown?
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Then he kissed his United badge at the Paddock to further provoke a reaction. He's a complete and utter cunt.
By the way, a lot of United lads i know think he's a major liability now. Gone well off the boil in the last two seasons. Regularly caught out of possession.
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Woah. this is more worrying than the Saurez thing, you fraternise with a lot of United lads....tut tut Gary
regards
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47188.msg1412829#msg1412829 date=1318775983]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1412828#msg1412828 date=1318775722]
Apparently none of the Sky footage caught Suarez saying anything that Evra is claiming. If he said it so often you think he'd have been caught once.
The players who were closest to the main incident were De Gea and Kuyt and De Gea said this morning he heard nothing.
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Evra fucked me off from the word go yesterday. I thought players were supposed to be booked these days for asking for a card to be shown?
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Then he kissed his United badge at the Paddock to further provoke a reaction. He's a complete and utter cunt.
By the way, a lot of United lads i know think he's a major liability now. Gone well off the boil in the last two seasons. Regularly caught out of possession.
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Woah. this is more worrying than the Saurez thing, you fraternise with a lot of United lads....tut tut Gary
regards
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