This will probably end up 10 games by the time they add on the fulham 'fingergate' ban. Ferguson must be sat at home slurping the cream off his lips from his christmas bailieys with a smug grin right about now.
The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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Get Rosco in on it. He'll know.
I would have thought that Suarez could sue the Mirror for that.
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What was he initially charged with?
and squiggles, judging by Liverpool's statement, it seems like he said something worse than that.
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Maybe he did, but Evra (and Man United) were not stupid enough to admit to anything. We were.
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The LFC statement says Evra admitted it in his testimony.
"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms."
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Is the QC in the panel a a Qualified C***? Queer Chap? Quite Cosy?
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Careful Y1, the FA will be charging you next.
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They will ban me from watching football on TV?
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1448499#msg1448499 date=1324428525]
What was he initially charged with?
and squiggles, judging by Liverpool's statement, it seems like he said something worse than that.
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Maybe he did, but Evra (and Man United) were not stupid enough to admit to anything. We were.
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The LFC statement says Evra admitted it in his testimony.
"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms."
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Is the QC in the panel a a Qualified C***? Queer Chap? Quite Cosy?
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Careful Y1, the FA will be charging you next.
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They will ban me from watching football on TV?
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[quote author=IanTheRed link=topic=47188.msg1448427#msg1448427 date=1324423926]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448418#msg1448418 date=1324423305]
Appaz he is entitled to the info within 5 days, then has a further 9 days to appeal.
It's not really all that complicated so it shouldn't take long to appeal, and the chances are they already know what grounds they'll be appealing on. Things like asylum have similar time limits (in Ireland anyway)
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So info by Christmas day, and appeal by the first working day back for many people (3rd January)? I know this is all money orientated Ross, and he'll pay for the right people to fight his corner, but for these 9 days to fall over Christmas and New Year? Seems odd.
This is a man's reputation, a black mark (excuse the unfortunate terminology!) on his character for the whole of his life. If he's a racist, fair enough, but the allegations were made on the 19th October, so to give his legal team the 25th December to the 3rd January seem a little harsh.
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It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
[size=24pt]"The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.[/size]
The FA say he is not Racist, Evra says he is not racist, why are some of you STILL saying he IS racist?
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*yawns*
I don't know how many more times I can repeat this, the charge was not one of racism. The panel was not there to decide he is a racist or not. Those comments, thrown out by LFC to whip up a frenzy are irrelevant.
Anyone remember the shit I said before about FSG and the media ?
Halmeister - no intent is needed for the charge to stick :
And again from the same Irish Times article (and this another reason why I think our club statement is facetious at best):
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448418#msg1448418 date=1324423305]
Appaz he is entitled to the info within 5 days, then has a further 9 days to appeal.
It's not really all that complicated so it shouldn't take long to appeal, and the chances are they already know what grounds they'll be appealing on. Things like asylum have similar time limits (in Ireland anyway)
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So info by Christmas day, and appeal by the first working day back for many people (3rd January)? I know this is all money orientated Ross, and he'll pay for the right people to fight his corner, but for these 9 days to fall over Christmas and New Year? Seems odd.
This is a man's reputation, a black mark (excuse the unfortunate terminology!) on his character for the whole of his life. If he's a racist, fair enough, but the allegations were made on the 19th October, so to give his legal team the 25th December to the 3rd January seem a little harsh.
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It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
[size=24pt]"The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.[/size]
The FA say he is not Racist, Evra says he is not racist, why are some of you STILL saying he IS racist?
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*yawns*
I don't know how many more times I can repeat this, the charge was not one of racism. The panel was not there to decide he is a racist or not. Those comments, thrown out by LFC to whip up a frenzy are irrelevant.
Anyone remember the shit I said before about FSG and the media ?
Halmeister - no intent is needed for the charge to stick :
And again from the same Irish Times article (and this another reason why I think our club statement is facetious at best):
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He has been banned for using language which could be deemed as racism.
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Apparently Evra has use such language too in the exchange with Suarez... do you think the FA will ban him?
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No, I think the term "Negrito" or "Negro" is more controversial than "South American".
Don't you?
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The actual word Evra apparently used was "sudaca" and it is just as contentious as the Spanish word "negro" if you were speaking Spanish. The exchange between Suarez and Evra was made in Spanish, was it not?
Or is a Spanish word only bad if it looks like an racist English word?
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Did Evra admit saying this? If so it doesn't seem to be a 'friendly' term as 'Negrito' can be used. All being said, it's all very objectional in the context it is being used.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47188.msg1448494#msg1448494 date=1324427860]
He has been banned for using language which could be deemed as racism.
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Apparently Evra has use such language too in the exchange with Suarez... do you think the FA will ban him?
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No, I think the term "Negrito" or "Negro" is more controversial than "South American".
Don't you?
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The actual word Evra apparently used was "sudaca" and it is just as contentious as the Spanish word "negro" if you were speaking Spanish. The exchange between Suarez and Evra was made in Spanish, was it not?
Or is a Spanish word only bad if it looks like an racist English word?
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Did Evra admit saying this? If so it doesn't seem to be a 'friendly' term as 'Negrito' can be used. All being said, it's all very objectional in the context it is being used.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448418#msg1448418 date=1324423305]
Appaz he is entitled to the info within 5 days, then has a further 9 days to appeal.
It's not really all that complicated so it shouldn't take long to appeal, and the chances are they already know what grounds they'll be appealing on. Things like asylum have similar time limits (in Ireland anyway)
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So info by Christmas day, and appeal by the first working day back for many people (3rd January)? I know this is all money orientated Ross, and he'll pay for the right people to fight his corner, but for these 9 days to fall over Christmas and New Year? Seems odd.
This is a man's reputation, a black mark (excuse the unfortunate terminology!) on his character for the whole of his life. If he's a racist, fair enough, but the allegations were made on the 19th October, so to give his legal team the 25th December to the 3rd January seem a little harsh.
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It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
[size=24pt]"The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.[/size]
The FA say he is not Racist, Evra says he is not racist, why are some of you STILL saying he IS racist?
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*yawns*
I don't know how many more times I can repeat this, the charge was not one of racism. The panel was not there to decide he is a racist or not. Those comments, thrown out by LFC to whip up a frenzy are irrelevant.
Anyone remember the shit I said before about FSG and the media ?
Halmeister - no intent is needed for the charge to stick :
And again from the same Irish Times article (and this another reason why I think our club statement is facetious at best):
Nobody said Evra was making it up.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448418#msg1448418 date=1324423305]
Appaz he is entitled to the info within 5 days, then has a further 9 days to appeal.
It's not really all that complicated so it shouldn't take long to appeal, and the chances are they already know what grounds they'll be appealing on. Things like asylum have similar time limits (in Ireland anyway)
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So info by Christmas day, and appeal by the first working day back for many people (3rd January)? I know this is all money orientated Ross, and he'll pay for the right people to fight his corner, but for these 9 days to fall over Christmas and New Year? Seems odd.
This is a man's reputation, a black mark (excuse the unfortunate terminology!) on his character for the whole of his life. If he's a racist, fair enough, but the allegations were made on the 19th October, so to give his legal team the 25th December to the 3rd January seem a little harsh.
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It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.
[size=24pt]"The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.[/size]
The FA say he is not Racist, Evra says he is not racist, why are some of you STILL saying he IS racist?
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*yawns*
I don't know how many more times I can repeat this, the charge was not one of racism. The panel was not there to decide he is a racist or not. Those comments, thrown out by LFC to whip up a frenzy are irrelevant.
Anyone remember the shit I said before about FSG and the media ?
Halmeister - no intent is needed for the charge to stick :
And again from the same Irish Times article (and this another reason why I think our club statement is facetious at best):
Nobody said Evra was making it up.
S
Squiggles
Guest
Do you think the club is going on the offensive about Evra because they know they've accepted Suarez case sticks?
Things better left unsaid until FA release evidence. Luis is no saint, and the FA are morons. This could go either way.
If there's good evidence that Suarez said what he said with intent (a tall fucking order, legally) then I applaud the FA. It sets a strong precedent that racist language won't be tolerated. I think the severity of the ban is in no small part another episode in the pissing contest the FA has with FIFA and Blatter. "We're the moral ones, now let us host the World Cup." Irregardless, its a bold move and if the FA is consistent with its dealing with racism, then well done. It can make a BIG impact. And if it becomes step one in a bold new initiative to eradicate racism in the game, then fuck... What can we do but open the barn door and watch Carroll make us proud.
But if there's not strong evidence, and its a trial on a foreign language of which the judges are not experts, and with no evidence to nail down without a shadow of a doubt what Suarez' intention was... well its a fucking farce. And the precedent will not be that the FA is serious on racism, but that the FA will charge on hearsay. And the FA will have to start dealing with a league where every game ends with bloated incident reports. It'll be a fucking mess, and they'll find themselves arbitrating team rivalries. The court will become another arena for teams to wage campaigns against one another. Want x team to struggle the next few games?, then manipulate the court to get their players banned...
So let's wait and see. If the FA has good reason, we should ensure that Luis apologizes and apologize for our official, and frankly idiotic, response. (Should have been "we absolutely disagree and will appeal until Suarez' innocence is conceded. End of"😉 If this is some rank bullshit from the FA, then let's give them HELL.
Fuck, I'm gutted by this. Really enjoyed having Luis on our side. Hopeful he'll be justly served, if not by the FA, but by the reasonable world.
If there's good evidence that Suarez said what he said with intent (a tall fucking order, legally) then I applaud the FA. It sets a strong precedent that racist language won't be tolerated. I think the severity of the ban is in no small part another episode in the pissing contest the FA has with FIFA and Blatter. "We're the moral ones, now let us host the World Cup." Irregardless, its a bold move and if the FA is consistent with its dealing with racism, then well done. It can make a BIG impact. And if it becomes step one in a bold new initiative to eradicate racism in the game, then fuck... What can we do but open the barn door and watch Carroll make us proud.
But if there's not strong evidence, and its a trial on a foreign language of which the judges are not experts, and with no evidence to nail down without a shadow of a doubt what Suarez' intention was... well its a fucking farce. And the precedent will not be that the FA is serious on racism, but that the FA will charge on hearsay. And the FA will have to start dealing with a league where every game ends with bloated incident reports. It'll be a fucking mess, and they'll find themselves arbitrating team rivalries. The court will become another arena for teams to wage campaigns against one another. Want x team to struggle the next few games?, then manipulate the court to get their players banned...
So let's wait and see. If the FA has good reason, we should ensure that Luis apologizes and apologize for our official, and frankly idiotic, response. (Should have been "we absolutely disagree and will appeal until Suarez' innocence is conceded. End of"😉 If this is some rank bullshit from the FA, then let's give them HELL.
Fuck, I'm gutted by this. Really enjoyed having Luis on our side. Hopeful he'll be justly served, if not by the FA, but by the reasonable world.
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So what will JT get then? In a case were there is actuallysome evidence.
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John Terry will be sent on a cultural diversity course and forced to listen to reggae
So what will JT get then? In a case were there is actuallysome evidence.
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John Terry will be sent on a cultural diversity course and forced to listen to reggae
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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FYI - Evra's statement is evidence. That alone is not enough evidence to prove anything. The QC involved knows this, so I'm willing to bet there's more to it than we're letting on.
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Evras statement is not backed up by any evidence we know of. Teammates, match officials or tv cameras. So what coyld it be then?
And if Evras statement is evidence then every player out there can claim something has happened and take it asfar ashe has. The fa will have a lot of work to do in the future if thats the reference.
FYI - Evra's statement is evidence. That alone is not enough evidence to prove anything. The QC involved knows this, so I'm willing to bet there's more to it than we're letting on.
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Evras statement is not backed up by any evidence we know of. Teammates, match officials or tv cameras. So what coyld it be then?
And if Evras statement is evidence then every player out there can claim something has happened and take it asfar ashe has. The fa will have a lot of work to do in the future if thats the reference.
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Did Evra admit saying this? If so it doesn't seem to be a 'friendly' term as 'Negrito' can be used. All being said, it's all very objectional in the context it is being used.
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Hmmm, now that you mention it. There's something weird in the way it is reported. Apparently, the exchange between Evra and Suarez was
Evra: don't touch me, South American
Suarez, por que, negro?
Why is Evra speaking in English and Suarez replying in Spanish? Normally, you would respond in the language you are spoken to, plus Suarez's English isn't probably good enough yet.
I would guess that Evra did speak to Suarez in Spanish and did say "sudaca". However, because of the way it is being reported, I would think Evra didn't admit to saying it and instead gave a literal English translation, which of course looks okay to English readers.
Did Evra admit saying this? If so it doesn't seem to be a 'friendly' term as 'Negrito' can be used. All being said, it's all very objectional in the context it is being used.
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Hmmm, now that you mention it. There's something weird in the way it is reported. Apparently, the exchange between Evra and Suarez was
Evra: don't touch me, South American
Suarez, por que, negro?
Why is Evra speaking in English and Suarez replying in Spanish? Normally, you would respond in the language you are spoken to, plus Suarez's English isn't probably good enough yet.
I would guess that Evra did speak to Suarez in Spanish and did say "sudaca". However, because of the way it is being reported, I would think Evra didn't admit to saying it and instead gave a literal English translation, which of course looks okay to English readers.
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By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
Our appeal is going to get nowhere.
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By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
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By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
I've read about four different articles now, they all have something similar:
This twoparagraphs are not compatible, either Suarez didn't make an admission or it's the two incidents being conflated and Suarez has denied one, admitted to using Negro in the other but claiming the cultural sensitivities defence.
I'm going to say this for about the 1000th time in this thread, to say there's a lack of evidence when Suarez has apparently made an admission is just not possible.
This twoparagraphs are not compatible, either Suarez didn't make an admission or it's the two incidents being conflated and Suarez has denied one, admitted to using Negro in the other but claiming the cultural sensitivities defence.
I'm going to say this for about the 1000th time in this thread, to say there's a lack of evidence when Suarez has apparently made an admission is just not possible.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47188.msg1448528#msg1448528 date=1324430667]
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
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Why not ?
But it kind of hampers your credibility to only raise it two months later after the hearing.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47188.msg1448528#msg1448528 date=1324430667]
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
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Why not ?
But it kind of hampers your credibility to only raise it two months later after the hearing.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47188.msg1448536#msg1448536 date=1324431370]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448532#msg1448532 date=1324431223]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47188.msg1448528#msg1448528 date=1324430667]
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
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Why not ?
But it kind of hampers your credibility to only raise it two months later after the hearing.
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Well Evra didn't raise his issue initially so....
The more I think about it, the more I think Suarez might have known what he was doing by bringing skin colour into it. I don't think he's racist - he clearly isn't - but I think he was responding to Evra's comments (if he made them) about being a "sudaca", which is incredibly naive. Both of them are a disgrace if that's the case.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448532#msg1448532 date=1324431223]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47188.msg1448528#msg1448528 date=1324430667]
By the way, if Evra said something like "sudaca" and then Suarez responded with "negro" or "negrito" in response, therefore both acknowledging race, then they're both cunts.
But as far as I'm aware, that's not how it happened.
Rosco, so it's up to the FA to determine what has racial connotations? Genuine question.
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No they have to decide whether the abuse used included a reference to a persons colour.
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So Evra's reference to Suarez's nationality, in an aggressive manner, should carry a similar charge?
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Why not ?
But it kind of hampers your credibility to only raise it two months later after the hearing.
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Well Evra didn't raise his issue initially so....
The more I think about it, the more I think Suarez might have known what he was doing by bringing skin colour into it. I don't think he's racist - he clearly isn't - but I think he was responding to Evra's comments (if he made them) about being a "sudaca", which is incredibly naive. Both of them are a disgrace if that's the case.
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448108#msg1448108 date=1324413027]
Tell you what, we've got some fucking enemies this season.
Referees, the FA, opposition goalkeepers, woodwork, long grass.
Any more?
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Ryan ;D
Tell you what, we've got some fucking enemies this season.
Referees, the FA, opposition goalkeepers, woodwork, long grass.
Any more?
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Ryan ;D
Bleah.
I don't understand where this 5 +9 = 14 day time frame has come about.
"Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
"The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal."
So until the written decision is handed down, the appeal is suspended. Suarez then has a further 14 days to lodge an appeal.
Depending how long it takes for the matter to be heard and determined at appeal (conceivably months, given the two months it took for the FA to list a hearing), Suarez will be allowed to keep playing and presumably over the Christmas period too, as long as the appeal process does not finalize before those games.
"Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
"The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal."
So until the written decision is handed down, the appeal is suspended. Suarez then has a further 14 days to lodge an appeal.
Depending how long it takes for the matter to be heard and determined at appeal (conceivably months, given the two months it took for the FA to list a hearing), Suarez will be allowed to keep playing and presumably over the Christmas period too, as long as the appeal process does not finalize before those games.
Lord Fergie has already faxed over the written decision to them. Won't be that long really.
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Glad you're happy about it Ross.
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Just surprised Pete is too ...
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While I don't agree with Ross' stance on this neither he nor Pete are happy about this. It's a bit of a shit lazy accusation.
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Sorry mate - This 'dust yourself off and stand up' lark just pissed me off. People were pissed about the long grass? Dunno, I thought people were taking the piss. We've lost to Stoke before, so nothing new. Crossbars and posts? Happens ... No conspiracy theories. Refs? They make shitty calls every year for us and for whoever. Part and parcel really. But this? A player who's never had any issue with this before - despite playing with blacks his whole life on every level - and despite there being no evidence (bar Evra) has been banned for 8 games (is the longest ever?) and fined 40,000 pounds after months of quiet? Who gives a shit about him not being on the pitch - you've just destroyed a person's reputation based on what? If everything we say in our statement is true, I hope this goes to the highest courts in the land and we fight back. Let's dust ourselves off and fight for the player. Not because he's our best player and we need, because he's innocent and deserves to have his name returned to him despite the shit he's taken from opposition fans and Liverpool fans alike.
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Thats a very good point.
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Glad you're happy about it Ross.
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Just surprised Pete is too ...
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While I don't agree with Ross' stance on this neither he nor Pete are happy about this. It's a bit of a shit lazy accusation.
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Sorry mate - This 'dust yourself off and stand up' lark just pissed me off. People were pissed about the long grass? Dunno, I thought people were taking the piss. We've lost to Stoke before, so nothing new. Crossbars and posts? Happens ... No conspiracy theories. Refs? They make shitty calls every year for us and for whoever. Part and parcel really. But this? A player who's never had any issue with this before - despite playing with blacks his whole life on every level - and despite there being no evidence (bar Evra) has been banned for 8 games (is the longest ever?) and fined 40,000 pounds after months of quiet? Who gives a shit about him not being on the pitch - you've just destroyed a person's reputation based on what? If everything we say in our statement is true, I hope this goes to the highest courts in the land and we fight back. Let's dust ourselves off and fight for the player. Not because he's our best player and we need, because he's innocent and deserves to have his name returned to him despite the shit he's taken from opposition fans and Liverpool fans alike.
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Thats a very good point.
Great, then we wait for the appeal process, which lasts for as long as it lasts. The ban is suspended until the appeal is finalized. IF Suarez chooses to go down that path.
Mind you, (and without getting into a debate about the integrity of the decision, or rallying behind our player etc), IF Suarez doesn't contest the decision, then the ban could start NOW, and the 8 games we'd be looking at are: Wigan, Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle, Man City, Oldham Athletic, Man City, Stoke, Bolton. With the exception of the City games, all are games winnable without Suarez.
And I don't mean to sound unsympathetic to Suarez or anything, but the wording of the rules suggests to me that strict liability applies to the offence, so once he admitted to the Uruguayan media that he "used" a word of such import (I have no idea what word he admitted to giving in evidence before the Commission), intent (or lack thereof) isn't a factor. Of course, all this supposes that the FA is governed by ordinary common law principles, but that's anyone's guess really.
Mind you, (and without getting into a debate about the integrity of the decision, or rallying behind our player etc), IF Suarez doesn't contest the decision, then the ban could start NOW, and the 8 games we'd be looking at are: Wigan, Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle, Man City, Oldham Athletic, Man City, Stoke, Bolton. With the exception of the City games, all are games winnable without Suarez.
And I don't mean to sound unsympathetic to Suarez or anything, but the wording of the rules suggests to me that strict liability applies to the offence, so once he admitted to the Uruguayan media that he "used" a word of such import (I have no idea what word he admitted to giving in evidence before the Commission), intent (or lack thereof) isn't a factor. Of course, all this supposes that the FA is governed by ordinary common law principles, but that's anyone's guess really.
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I agree with that kind of practical thinking.
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