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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=47188.msg1448165#msg1448165 date=1324414280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448160#msg1448160 date=1324414147]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1448114#msg1448114 date=1324413130]
Glad you're happy about it Ross.
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Just surprised Pete is too ...
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While I don't agree with Ross' stance on this neither he nor Pete are happy about this. It's a bit of a shit lazy accusation.
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Sorry mate - This 'dust yourself off and stand up' lark just pissed me off. People were pissed about the long grass? Dunno, I thought people were taking the piss. We've lost to Stoke before, so nothing new. Crossbars and posts? Happens ... No conspiracy theories. Refs? They make shitty calls every year for us and for whoever. Part and parcel really. But this? A player who's never had any issue with this before - despite playing with blacks his whole life on every level - and despite there being no evidence (bar Evra) has been banned for 8 games (is the longest ever?) and fined 40,000 pounds after months of quiet? Who gives a shit about him not being on the pitch - you've just destroyed a person's reputation based on what? If everything we say in our statement is true, I hope this goes to the highest courts in the land and we fight back. Let's dust ourselves off and fight for the player. Not because he's our best player and we need, because he's innocent and deserves to have his name returned to him despite the shit he's taken from opposition fans and Liverpool fans alike.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448194#msg1448194 date=1324415157]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=47188.msg1448165#msg1448165 date=1324414280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448160#msg1448160 date=1324414147]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1448114#msg1448114 date=1324413130]
Glad you're happy about it Ross.
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Just surprised Pete is too ...
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While I don't agree with Ross' stance on this neither he nor Pete are happy about this. It's a bit of a shit lazy accusation.
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Sorry mate - This 'dust yourself off and stand up' lark just pissed me off. People were pissed about the long grass? Dunno, I thought people were taking the piss. We've lost to Stoke before, so nothing new. Crossbars and posts? Happens ... No conspiracy theories. Refs? They make shitty calls every year for us and for whoever. Part and parcel really. But this? A player who's never had any issue with this before - despite playing with blacks his whole life on every level - and despite there being no evidence (bar Evra) has been banned for 8 games (is the longest ever?) and fined 40,000 pounds after months of quiet? Who gives a shit about him not being on the pitch - you've just destroyed a person's reputation based on what? If everything we say in our statement is true, I hope this goes to the highest courts in the land and we fight back. Let's dust ourselves off and fight for the player. Not because he's our best player and we need, because he's innocent and deserves to have his name returned to him despite the shit he's taken from opposition fans and Liverpool fans alike.
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Excellent post.
 
@OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
Feel bad for Liverpool fans over punishment of Suarez but think the FA got it absolutely right with their eight-match ban. Fair sanction.

@OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
FA has to show that racial abuse is not acceptable in this country, even if it is acceptable elsewhere. 3 game ban would not have done that

@OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
Understand feelings of LFC fans but this is bigger than allegiance to a club. It's about statement that racist language not acceptable here
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@RorySmithTimes Rory Smith
To answer Suarez questions: 1. at a guess, I'd say he'll end up with five games on appeal.

@RorySmithTimes Rory Smith
2. Would suggest his admission he used whatever word it was is why the FA banned him. If he'd denied everything, may have been different.

@RorySmithTimes Rory Smith
3. The crowing of non-Liverpool fans is just as base, as rooted in tribal bias, as those who will defend their own player regardless.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448194#msg1448194 date=1324415157]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=47188.msg1448165#msg1448165 date=1324414280]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448160#msg1448160 date=1324414147]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1448114#msg1448114 date=1324413130]
Glad you're happy about it Ross.
[/quote]

Just surprised Pete is too ...
[/quote]

While I don't agree with Ross' stance on this neither he nor Pete are happy about this. It's a bit of a shit lazy accusation.
[/quote]

Sorry mate - This 'dust yourself off and stand up' lark just pissed me off. People were pissed about the long grass? Dunno, I thought people were taking the piss. We've lost to Stoke before, so nothing new. Crossbars and posts? Happens ... No conspiracy theories. Refs? They make shitty calls every year for us and for whoever. Part and parcel really. But this? A player who's never had any issue with this before - despite playing with blacks his whole life on every level - and despite there being no evidence (bar Evra) has been banned for 8 games (is the longest ever?) and fined 40,000 pounds after months of quiet? Who gives a shit about him not being on the pitch - you've just destroyed a person's reputation based on what? If everything we say in our statement is true, I hope this goes to the highest courts in the land and we fight back. Let's dust ourselves off and fight for the player. Not because he's our best player and we need, because he's innocent and deserves to have his name returned to him despite the shit he's taken from opposition fans and Liverpool fans alike.
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Great post LTW.
 
[quote author=Lewy link=topic=47188.msg1448201#msg1448201 date=1324415346]
apparantly the club have removed the statement
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Was it a spoof by one of the Father Ted writers ?
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47188.msg1448202#msg1448202 date=1324415412]
What came of evra accusing the ref of booking him because he's black?
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Zackly.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448190#msg1448190 date=1324415061]
Just to clarify, I'm not happy about this.

I'm just not gonna sit here whining that the whole world is against us. That's the sort of thing your Manchester uniteds of this world do.
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The whole world isn't against us, but something is dodgy.

Answer this Pete: If Wayne Rooney had been alleged to have said the same thing (obviously cultural differences aside) to a black Liverpool player, would he be found guilty and if so, banned for 8 games?

The Liverpool statement is clear that this entire case is based on one person's statement against another's, without a witness. That's an amazing precedent, and the only way he could be found guilty is if was honest, admitted saying Negrito, and they ignored the cultural differences.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47188.msg1448193#msg1448193 date=1324415138]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1448189#msg1448189 date=1324414991]
So Suarez was found guilty on Evras word alone......
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And because he admitted it.
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I'd read that he'd admitted saying 'something', yet what he said i wasn't aware had been made public. Going on our press release it suggests that he was convicted on Evras word alone though.

*i've had a couple of glasses of red, so please forgive me if i'm way off the mark here*
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1448195#msg1448195 date=1324415170]
I like Piedro's posts.
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you flirt !!
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1448211#msg1448211 date=1324415577]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47188.msg1448193#msg1448193 date=1324415138]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1448189#msg1448189 date=1324414991]
So Suarez was found guilty on Evras word alone......
[/quote]

And because he admitted it.
[/quote]

I'd read that he'd admitted saying 'something', yet what he said i wasn't aware had been made public. Going on our press release it suggests that he was convicted on Evras word alone though.

*i've had a couple of glasses of red, so please forgive me if way off the mark here*
[/quote]

That's my point about the press release , it's basically written the way I write my wind up posts.

I can distort views of the truth without you being able to say anything I've written is untrue. That's what I think FSG are doing here.


*I realise I'm giving my game away here* if you hadn't already figured it out.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1448212#msg1448212 date=1324415634]
Just a couple of glasses and you're pickled? 😉
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Sad isn't it :-[
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1448215#msg1448215 date=1324415737]
I reckon Suarez will move now in the summer.
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I don't.
 
It's just an insult to the intelligence. Any accusation in law requires more than this evidence. It makes no sense at all.
 
Sorry Jules, I think he'll have a sour taste in his mouth now and his career in England can never be the same. My Spanish friends think this whole thing is bizarre, I reckon a few Spanish clubs will be reaching out to Suarez now on that same basis. Sadly, the club for all its defense of Suarez will also be thinking of the reputation and marketing impact of this whole thing unless he's cleared and vindicated.

Logic tells me he's going to be playing for someone else next year.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448216#msg1448216 date=1324415757]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1448211#msg1448211 date=1324415577]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=47188.msg1448193#msg1448193 date=1324415138]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1448189#msg1448189 date=1324414991]
So Suarez was found guilty on Evras word alone......
[/quote]

And because he admitted it.
[/quote]

I'd read that he'd admitted saying 'something', yet what he said i wasn't aware had been made public. Going on our press release it suggests that he was convicted on Evras word alone though.

*i've had a couple of glasses of red, so please forgive me if way off the mark here*
[/quote]

That's my point about the press release , it's basically written the way I write my wind up posts.

I can distort views of the truth without you being able to say anything I've written is untrue. That's what I think FSG are doing here.


*I realise I'm giving my game away here* if you hadn't already figured it out.
[/quote]

I had your number ages ago mate.

I guess we'll have to wait for the FA to release their findings then before we can move this on any further.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1448215#msg1448215 date=1324415737]
I reckon Suarez will move now in the summer.
[/quote]

You and Ross can form a tag team and see how many people you can piss off in one night. Tonight's a good night to hit 100 I say.
 
What a mess.


The man does talk too much when he's on the pitch, maybe he'll learn a lesson too think before he speaks.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1448226#msg1448226 date=1324416051]
Sorry Jules, I think he'll have a sour taste in his mouth now and his career in England can never be the same. My Spanish friends think this whole thing is bizarre, I reckon a few Spanish clubs will be reaching out to Suarez now on that same basis. Sadly, the club for all its defense of Suarez will also be thinking of the reputation and marketing impact of this whole thing unless he's cleared and vindicated.

Logic tells me he's going to be playing for someone else next year.
[/quote]

Logic tells me the verdict won't stand up.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47188.msg1448230#msg1448230 date=1324416180]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1448215#msg1448215 date=1324415737]
I reckon Suarez will move now in the summer.
[/quote]

You and Ross can form a tag team and see how many people you can piss off in one night. Tonight's a good night to hit 100 I say.
[/quote]

That's a great idea LTW.
 
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