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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row

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[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448108#msg1448108 date=1324413027]
Tell you what, we've got some fucking enemies this season.

Referees, the FA, opposition goalkeepers, woodwork, long grass.

Any more?
[/quote]Naacp.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448090#msg1448090 date=1324412483]
Well I'm glad I was completely wrong and everyone who called me a pessimist was spot on.
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Nuts. The argument was - and remains, until we see what the club has to say once the reasons are published - about whether the evidence pointed to his guilt, not about how likely or unlikely he was to be found guilty.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448112#msg1448112 date=1324413108]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448110#msg1448110 date=1324413052]
I can't believe people still have their heads in the fucking sand.
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Uh huh
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Include the club in that now, do you?
 
duno what to think of all this, im not too fond of suarez, as a player he's amazing but he's obviously a twat, but i dont reckon he's a racist either way

i think that statement from us is absurd
 
That's a strong statement, and suggests that we're likely to appeal, at least to the Appeal Board.

Whether we take it to the courts thereafter would really depend on the kind of legal advice we get, I'm assuming.
 
I still don't get it. Apart from Evra's belated complaint, what exactly was the evidence? Because that alone would never make a legal case succeed.
 
Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=47188.msg1448083#msg1448083 date=1324412301]
[quote author=the count link=topic=47188.msg1448074#msg1448074 date=1324412151]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47188.msg1448066#msg1448066 date=1324412011]
Should we appeal?

If it kicks in 14 days from now, the fixtures Suarez will missed will be:

6 Jan 2012 FA Cup Oldham H 20:00
11 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City A 19:45
14 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 15:00
21 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 17:30
25 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City H 19:45
31 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 20:00
6 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 20:00
11 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Man United A 12:45 <---- Conspiracy theory?
[/quote]We should have another FA cup match before then Binny
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Oh, you're right mate. Phew.
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Any bets...

Number 24, Manchester United

versus...

Number 26, Liverpool.

*checks 3rd round draw* Oh....
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47188.msg1448097#msg1448097 date=1324412642]
He hasn't been proven guilty of being a racist though.

The fuckers worded the charge to make sure of it.
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Yeah but surely this was not about charging him with being a full blown racist but rather if he used a racist slur or insult . What i mean is that someone can be found guilty of a racist insult but i don't think that is enough to label them a full on racist , it would need more evidence of their lifestyle and views before that can be done .
So i imagine this was looked on in as a singular event , did he use a racist insult or reference to Evra's skin colour .."yes" or "no" .

We really need the truth to come out but i guess it won't now yet if we appeal and obviously from the sounds of their press release the FA expect us to .
 
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=47188.msg1448056#msg1448056 date=1324411686]
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=47188.msg1444555#msg1444555 date=1324047675]
rumour is 8 game ban but not sure if its bullshit. crosses everything hes not guilty
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Obviously not bullshit...... Gutted.
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So people knew it was 8 matches (hence the rumours) and still it took so many days to reach a reaction which was allready known? What the fuck is going on here?
 
The point about Suarez having a black grandfather is news to me. This was never mentioned before, was it? For the matter of principle, we ought to appeal, even if it goes up to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448108#msg1448108 date=1324413027]
Tell you what, we've got some fucking enemies this season.

Referees, the FA, opposition goalkeepers, woodwork, long grass.

Any more?
[/quote]

I don't deny Suarez is a fucking idiot, & I agree on the conspiracy theory stuff, people have been banging on about everything this season.

However, fergie has taken advantage of this massively when it seemed Evra was letting it go. Had Kenny done similar I'd think less of the man.
 
Really good strong statement from the club there.
If there is no evidence to suggest this abuse happens then we have to appeal.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1448118#msg1448118 date=1324413169]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448090#msg1448090 date=1324412483]
Well I'm glad I was completely wrong and everyone who called me a pessimist was spot on.
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Nuts. The argument was - and remains, until we see what the club has to say once the reasons are published - about whether the evidence pointed to his guilt, not about how likely or unlikely he was to be found guilty.
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As I said in the thread, my problem with Rosco's position was that it failed to take in cultural nuances. I also said that I expected the panel also to fail in this respect.

I don't see why Ross wants to wear this badge of honour. I think the club's statement is a right and proper expression of indignation.
 
Luis Suarez on Twitter: "Today is a very difficult and painful day for both me and my family. Thanks for all the support, I'll keep working!... "
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1448124#msg1448124 date=1324413286]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=47188.msg1448112#msg1448112 date=1324413108]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448110#msg1448110 date=1324413052]
I can't believe people still have their heads in the fucking sand.
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Uh huh
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Include the club in that now, do you?
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What else are the club gonna say?

Listen, I don't know if he did said whatever he was accused of and if he did, I don't know if he meant whatever he meant by it.

But I'm just fucking sick this season, of people on here feeling like the world is against us. It's fucking pathetic. If its not referees, it's the FA, or the woodwork, or the long grass. I'm sick of people moaning. All fucking season it's been the same.

We get up, dust ourselves down and stop feeling sorry for ourselves. That's what we've always done. We are Liverpool for fucks sake.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47188.msg1448144#msg1448144 date=1324413675]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47188.msg1448118#msg1448118 date=1324413169]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448090#msg1448090 date=1324412483]
Well I'm glad I was completely wrong and everyone who called me a pessimist was spot on.
[/quote]

Nuts. The argument was - and remains, until we see what the club has to say once the reasons are published - about whether the evidence pointed to his guilt, not about how likely or unlikely he was to be found guilty.
[/quote]

As I said in the thread, my problem with Rosco's position was that it failed to take in cultural nuances. I also said that I expected the panel also to fail in this respect.

I don't see why Ross wants to wear this badge of honour. I think the club's statement is a right and proper expression of indignation.
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I agree with the good Doc.

I wonder what will happen to EBJT after this? If he gets off with a lesser charge can we accuse the FA of racism?
 
So let me get this straight, that statement says it is the incident that happened in the goalmouth that is the focal point?

If so they seriously cannot find guilty by using one players word against another? That opens the doors to any player to accuse any other at any time.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47188.msg1448150#msg1448150 date=1324413864]
So let me get this straight, that statement says it is the incident that happened in the goalmouth that is the focal point?

If so they seriously cannot find guilty by using one players word against another? That opens the doors to any player to accuse any other at any time.

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It's not what the LFC statement does say that's important. Henry Winter's info was so detailed that it looked spot on, he also made reference to the incident in the penalty area which Luis had challenged, but there was another incident during which Suarez admitted to using "negro".

We're being a bit facetious with that statement to ramp up pressure on the FA. IMO naturally.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448110#msg1448110 date=1324413052]
I can't believe people still have their heads in the fucking sand.
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In fairness though i think people are still of the belief that he used the term "negrito" in the scenario that has been painted by most the media . And if it was would you not be of the opinion that 8 games is a little steep ?

If it's proven that scenario is not true and some other insult was used , like you believe , then i'm sure people will look at things differently .
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1448152#msg1448152 date=1324413917]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47188.msg1448150#msg1448150 date=1324413864]
So let me get this straight, that statement says it is the incident that happened in the goalmouth that is the focal point?

If so they seriously cannot find guilty by using one players word against another? That opens the doors to any player to accuse any other at any time.

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It's not what the LFC statement does say that's important.
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Okay, I'll bite, what DOESN'T it say?
 
I think given the statement from the club, you have to feel the lads been really hard done by.
Pretty shameful really.
 
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