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The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47188.msg1447934#msg1447934 date=1324401499]
Found this rather interesting, dont know if posted already.
"Winter wrote: “Referee Andre Marriner called the pair together for a lecture. Suárez apologised and attempted to pat the United full-back on the head. ‘Don’t touch me, you South American,’ Evra is alleged to have said. To which, the Uruguayan replied: ‘Porque, Negro?’”
What wasn’t made clear in that article is whether the words from Evra were also in Spanish. If they were in Spanish, did he use “sudamericano” or a shortened version often used in Spain, “sudaca”?
“Sudaca” means “South American” but isn’t usually directed in a nice way. It’s usually aimed at South American immigrants; it doesn’t take a great deal of imagination to see how offensive it can be. It’s more difficult to imagine Evra actually saying, in English, “you South American,” as part of his order to Suarez not to touch him.
Winter’s article also referred to another alleged comment from Evra, one he made to Marriner after being booked for a foul on Dirk Kuyt. He wrote: “Evra responded to Marriner’s caution by allegedly claiming: ‘You’re only booking me because I’m black.’”
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If racism is a serious charge (which it is) shouldn't calling a referee a racist, even indirectly, lead to (a) an investigation in its own right and (b), if it's disproved, punishment for the player who made the allegation?
Found this rather interesting, dont know if posted already.
"Winter wrote: “Referee Andre Marriner called the pair together for a lecture. Suárez apologised and attempted to pat the United full-back on the head. ‘Don’t touch me, you South American,’ Evra is alleged to have said. To which, the Uruguayan replied: ‘Porque, Negro?’”
What wasn’t made clear in that article is whether the words from Evra were also in Spanish. If they were in Spanish, did he use “sudamericano” or a shortened version often used in Spain, “sudaca”?
“Sudaca” means “South American” but isn’t usually directed in a nice way. It’s usually aimed at South American immigrants; it doesn’t take a great deal of imagination to see how offensive it can be. It’s more difficult to imagine Evra actually saying, in English, “you South American,” as part of his order to Suarez not to touch him.
Winter’s article also referred to another alleged comment from Evra, one he made to Marriner after being booked for a foul on Dirk Kuyt. He wrote: “Evra responded to Marriner’s caution by allegedly claiming: ‘You’re only booking me because I’m black.’”
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If racism is a serious charge (which it is) shouldn't calling a referee a racist, even indirectly, lead to (a) an investigation in its own right and (b), if it's disproved, punishment for the player who made the allegation?
FA statement: Luis Suarez
Tuesday, 20 December, 2011
Independent Regulatory Commission reach conclusion in Suarez case.
An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.
On 16 November 2011, The Football Association charged Luis Suarez with misconduct contrary to FA Rule E3 in relation to the Liverpool FC versus Manchester United FC fixture on 15 October 2011.
A hearing took place from 14-20 December 2011 before an Independent Regulatory Commission of The FA to consider the charge.
The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.
The Independent Regulatory Commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:
(a) the findings of fact made by it;
(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and
(c) the reasons for the penalty.
Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal.
Tuesday, 20 December, 2011
Independent Regulatory Commission reach conclusion in Suarez case.
An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.
On 16 November 2011, The Football Association charged Luis Suarez with misconduct contrary to FA Rule E3 in relation to the Liverpool FC versus Manchester United FC fixture on 15 October 2011.
A hearing took place from 14-20 December 2011 before an Independent Regulatory Commission of The FA to consider the charge.
The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.
The Independent Regulatory Commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:
(a) the findings of fact made by it;
(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and
(c) the reasons for the penalty.
Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal.
knobheads.. I expect liverpool to appeal straight away..
Absolute Shite decision
Absolute Shite decision
It's not the clubs place to appeal, its the individuals.
Sure they can help him out but I cant see any movement here. Mind you, its a massive precedent.
At least the ban doesnt kick in till the start of the transfer window, clubs can bend us over a barrel for their forwards - WOOP (!)
Sure they can help him out but I cant see any movement here. Mind you, its a massive precedent.
At least the ban doesnt kick in till the start of the transfer window, clubs can bend us over a barrel for their forwards - WOOP (!)
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=47188.msg1444555#msg1444555 date=1324047675]
rumour is 8 game ban but not sure if its bullshit. crosses everything hes not guilty
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Obviously not bullshit...... Gutted.
rumour is 8 game ban but not sure if its bullshit. crosses everything hes not guilty
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Obviously not bullshit...... Gutted.
"Reference to his colour"
Poor John terry then.
Poor John terry then.
Holy fuck.
I'm expecting some form of appeal for certain.
So surely Evra needs some charge for accusing the ref of being racist then?
I hate the fact Fergie knows full well how to manipulate official procedures.
Like Ross, I'm dying to find out what evidence they used to support this.
I'm expecting some form of appeal for certain.
So surely Evra needs some charge for accusing the ref of being racist then?
I hate the fact Fergie knows full well how to manipulate official procedures.
Like Ross, I'm dying to find out what evidence they used to support this.
We'd need to see their written reasons first, to know how to target the appeal, but they can certainly get on with preparatory work now.
As a further appeal is provided for within the FA procedure, we probably have to go through that before taking the buggers to court. It'll be a waste of time - such internal appeals almost always are - but we would probably not get leave to issue proceedings for judicial review until we'd jumped through that hoop.
As a further appeal is provided for within the FA procedure, we probably have to go through that before taking the buggers to court. It'll be a waste of time - such internal appeals almost always are - but we would probably not get leave to issue proceedings for judicial review until we'd jumped through that hoop.
JT was just pointing out to Anton that he hadn't made a reference to his colour.
I'd like to know the facts on which this decision was based.
I'd like to know the facts on which this decision was based.
Should we appeal?
If it kicks in 14 days from now, the fixtures Suarez will missed will be:
6 Jan 2012 FA Cup Oldham H 20:00
11 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City A 19:45
14 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 15:00
21 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 17:30
25 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City H 19:45
31 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 20:00
6 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 20:00
11 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Man United A 12:45 <---- Conspiracy theory?
If it kicks in 14 days from now, the fixtures Suarez will missed will be:
6 Jan 2012 FA Cup Oldham H 20:00
11 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City A 19:45
14 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 15:00
21 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 17:30
25 Jan 2012 Carling Cup Manchester City H 19:45
31 Jan 2012 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 20:00
6 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 20:00
11 Feb 2012 Barclays Premier League Man United A 12:45 <---- Conspiracy theory?
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=47188.msg1448057#msg1448057 date=1324411706]
HOWEVER, It takes the fuckers six days to make a decision and even then they cant disclose the reasons for the decision until later on?!
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To be absolutely fair, this is quite common when the reasons for a decision are long and complex.
HOWEVER, It takes the fuckers six days to make a decision and even then they cant disclose the reasons for the decision until later on?!
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To be absolutely fair, this is quite common when the reasons for a decision are long and complex.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=47188.msg1448065#msg1448065 date=1324412000]
Well we lodge the appeal which delays the start of the ban, which takes us to January transfer window where we simply *have* to buy another striker
[/quote]My instinct would say that we wont on the basis that three of the matches at least would be in the Carling and FA Cups.
Well we lodge the appeal which delays the start of the ban, which takes us to January transfer window where we simply *have* to buy another striker
[/quote]My instinct would say that we wont on the basis that three of the matches at least would be in the Carling and FA Cups.
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