The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47188.msg1454884#msg1454884 date=1325610248]
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=47188.msg1454872#msg1454872 date=1325609512]
Why did we not have a cabbage poster of the year award at the annual thread we had?
[/quote]Because all the nominees have been in here chatting shit and trying to earn their Junior Jurors hardest triers award.
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I think you've done enough to earn that award by now mate. Here, have a badge.
[/quote]I think youll find I havnt posted ANYTHING indicating that i am aware of the criminal law, due process, appeals process, mitigation, probability or any of that other bollocks. Simply because I (like everyone else except Irushie) know fuck all about it. I however UNLIKE everybody else dont think im fucking Quincy.
*throws badge back at Sunny*
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Lol, I love the way you didn't mention Ross as being legally knowledgeable. You're in it now
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47188.msg1454884#msg1454884 date=1325610248]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1454880#msg1454880 date=1325609985]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=47188.msg1454872#msg1454872 date=1325609512]
Why did we not have a cabbage poster of the year award at the annual thread we had?
[/quote]Because all the nominees have been in here chatting shit and trying to earn their Junior Jurors hardest triers award.
[/quote]
I think you've done enough to earn that award by now mate. Here, have a badge.
[/quote]I think youll find I havnt posted ANYTHING indicating that i am aware of the criminal law, due process, appeals process, mitigation, probability or any of that other bollocks. Simply because I (like everyone else except Irushie) know fuck all about it. I however UNLIKE everybody else dont think im fucking Quincy.
*throws badge back at Sunny*
[/quote]
Lol, I love the way you didn't mention Ross as being legally knowledgeable. You're in it now
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1454927#msg1454927 date=1325611704]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1454923#msg1454923 date=1325611597]
Erik Estrada wasn't black, Oncy you crazy bastard.
[/quote]Black, Hispanic, Chinese....all the same to these aryan brotherhood fools.
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Which aryan brotherhood fools be them then ?
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47188.msg1454923#msg1454923 date=1325611597]
Erik Estrada wasn't black, Oncy you crazy bastard.
[/quote]Black, Hispanic, Chinese....all the same to these aryan brotherhood fools.
[/quote]
Which aryan brotherhood fools be them then ?
Liverpool will not appeal against Luis Suarez's misconduct charge and his eight match suspension begins tonight
It is our strongly held conviction that the Football Association and the panel it selected constructed a highly subjective case against Luis Suarez based on an accusation that was ultimately unsubstantiated.
The FA and the panel chose to consistently and methodically accept and embrace arguments leading to a set of conclusions that found Mr. Suarez to "probably" be guilty while in the same manner deciding to completely dismiss the testimony that countered their overall suppositions.
Mr. Evra was deemed to be credible in spite of admitting that he himself used insulting and threatening words towards Luis and that his initial charge as to the word used was somehow a mistake.
The facts in this case were that an accusation was made, a rebuttal was given and there was video of the match. The remaining facts came from testimony of people who did not corroborate any accusation made by Mr. Evra.
In its determination to prove its conclusions to the public through a clearly subjective 115-page document, the FA panel has damaged the reputation of one the Premier League's best players, deciding he should be punished and banned for perhaps a quarter of a season. This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation.
Nevertheless, there are ultimately larger issues than whether or not Luis Suarez has been treated fairly by the Football Association in this matter. There are important points we want to make today that overshadow what has occurred during the past two months.
The issue of race in sports, as in other industries, has a very poor history. Far too often, and in far too many countries, the issues of racism and discrimination have been covered over or ignored.
In America, where Liverpool ownership resides, there was a shameful bigotry that prevented black athletes from competing at the highest levels for decades.
English football has led the world in welcoming all nationalities and creeds into its Premier League and its leagues below, and Liverpool Football Club itself has been a leader in taking a progressive stance on issues of race and inclusion. The Luis Suarez case has to end so that the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club can continue the progress that has been made and will continue to be made and not risk a perception, at least by some, that would diminish our commitment on these issues.
Liverpool Football Club have supported Luis Suarez because we fundamentally do not believe that Luis on that day - or frankly any other - did or would engage in a racist act. Notably, his actions on and off the pitch with his teammates and in the community have demonstrated his belief that all athletes can play together and that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.
Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the Club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football.
It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.
It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez.
The FA and the panel chose to consistently and methodically accept and embrace arguments leading to a set of conclusions that found Mr. Suarez to "probably" be guilty while in the same manner deciding to completely dismiss the testimony that countered their overall suppositions.
Mr. Evra was deemed to be credible in spite of admitting that he himself used insulting and threatening words towards Luis and that his initial charge as to the word used was somehow a mistake.
The facts in this case were that an accusation was made, a rebuttal was given and there was video of the match. The remaining facts came from testimony of people who did not corroborate any accusation made by Mr. Evra.
In its determination to prove its conclusions to the public through a clearly subjective 115-page document, the FA panel has damaged the reputation of one the Premier League's best players, deciding he should be punished and banned for perhaps a quarter of a season. This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation.
Nevertheless, there are ultimately larger issues than whether or not Luis Suarez has been treated fairly by the Football Association in this matter. There are important points we want to make today that overshadow what has occurred during the past two months.
The issue of race in sports, as in other industries, has a very poor history. Far too often, and in far too many countries, the issues of racism and discrimination have been covered over or ignored.
In America, where Liverpool ownership resides, there was a shameful bigotry that prevented black athletes from competing at the highest levels for decades.
English football has led the world in welcoming all nationalities and creeds into its Premier League and its leagues below, and Liverpool Football Club itself has been a leader in taking a progressive stance on issues of race and inclusion. The Luis Suarez case has to end so that the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club can continue the progress that has been made and will continue to be made and not risk a perception, at least by some, that would diminish our commitment on these issues.
Liverpool Football Club have supported Luis Suarez because we fundamentally do not believe that Luis on that day - or frankly any other - did or would engage in a racist act. Notably, his actions on and off the pitch with his teammates and in the community have demonstrated his belief that all athletes can play together and that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.
Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the Club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football.
It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.
It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez.
[quote author='Dave' link=topic=47188.msg1454956#msg1454956 date=1325615347]
NO APPEAL
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? you know this or are you stating what you think we should do?
sorry... beaten to it...
blimey.
Im not sure if that statement is so wise.....
NO APPEAL
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? you know this or are you stating what you think we should do?
sorry... beaten to it...
blimey.
Im not sure if that statement is so wise.....
Statement reads well and the club save a little face with the rest of the world
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1454862#msg1454862 date=1325608988]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=47188.msg1454845#msg1454845 date=1325608427]
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1454583#msg1454583 date=1325587870]
I've just read the document. And I've changed my mind, they were right to convict Suarez and an appeal would be pointless.
I'm also beginning to think he is actually a racist.
[/quote]Shit. Fergie got to you too.
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And me, sadly.
[/quote]That evil all powerful bastard!!
*shakes fists to heavens*
WHY LORD WHY!!
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He is the bestest manager ever at the bestest club ever... he would never have said anything untrue or had a go at our players. He is a sir for gods sake. Behave!!
[/quote]Of all the posters in this thread you (and there has been stiff competition) have probably been the most cabbage like.
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Probably is the key here also I see.... 😉
Ill tell you something. I come from the north of Norway. We are as far from Oslo as Rome. We are a totally different culture. We swear and we have funny accents. According to the myth all we do is drink and take social security money. My son even got bugged by the ref in one of his game due to his accent. Should people tell me what to say or how to talk? Should I stop being me and being someone else? I keep reading here that Luis have lived in the north of Europe for a long time and should know what to say and not say, still the same people thinks "Concha ti hermana" is a fine way to adress people. I 100% believe that Luis answer, Porque Negro?, was closer to "Why prettyboy?" than "Why N*gger?". Who was trying to wind up who in the first place?
Go and have a look at the so called kicking Evra reffered too. it is as close to a dive that anyone. He keeps rolling into the pitch so the ref cant allow the game to continue.
I also remind people that Luis Suarez singlehandly teared the Man U defence a collective new arsehole on their last meeting. So much that for this meeting Alex didnt dare to field his strongest attackers because he tried to neutrilize this little terrier. Of course he would jump on any chance to destroy him. The old fucker is paranoid as hell and he dont forget a defeat. This is the maniac that made Beckham, Van Nistleroy and Stam to get the fuck out of his club. And then Liverpool fans jumps on Luis back when e try to fuck him out of england... Disgusting.
I am also fucking tired of hearing abot the handball and the biting. The biting was not good. He served his ban for it, and by then has served his punisjhment and should be allowed back to the society. The handball was not a cheat. It was a heroic save by a man willing to do anything to go to the world cup semis. These things can happen, there are automatic rules for them (red card and a ban in addition to a penalty). Ghana missed the penalty. Luis didnt cheat Ghana out of the world cup. He saved Uruguay through and missed the rest of the tournament. Cheating is diving, like the mancs has done 100 times against us... Sami was sent of due to a dive, Berbatov dived for the penalty, Ruud for another. They cheat and dive, and the one who stands up and call someone divers is Alex Ferguson. The newborn hero of a lot of people here.
The 115 page report is clearly biased against Luis. it is fucking unfair treatment. Shameful. People say "Thats what happen when you show up to a gun duell with a knife". So it is a duell where the strongest part wins, not a fair judgment of what is right and wrong??
f it make me cabbage or make you think less of me, than it is a pity, but I guess I survive. Heard worse.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1454837#msg1454837 date=1325608227]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=47188.msg1454793#msg1454793 date=1325605427]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47188.msg1454612#msg1454612 date=1325590997]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47188.msg1454583#msg1454583 date=1325587870]
I've just read the document. And I've changed my mind, they were right to convict Suarez and an appeal would be pointless.
I'm also beginning to think he is actually a racist.
[/quote]Shit. Fergie got to you too.
[/quote]
And me, sadly.
[/quote]That evil all powerful bastard!!
*shakes fists to heavens*
WHY LORD WHY!!
[/quote]
He is the bestest manager ever at the bestest club ever... he would never have said anything untrue or had a go at our players. He is a sir for gods sake. Behave!!
[/quote]Of all the posters in this thread you (and there has been stiff competition) have probably been the most cabbage like.
[/quote]
Probably is the key here also I see.... 😉
Ill tell you something. I come from the north of Norway. We are as far from Oslo as Rome. We are a totally different culture. We swear and we have funny accents. According to the myth all we do is drink and take social security money. My son even got bugged by the ref in one of his game due to his accent. Should people tell me what to say or how to talk? Should I stop being me and being someone else? I keep reading here that Luis have lived in the north of Europe for a long time and should know what to say and not say, still the same people thinks "Concha ti hermana" is a fine way to adress people. I 100% believe that Luis answer, Porque Negro?, was closer to "Why prettyboy?" than "Why N*gger?". Who was trying to wind up who in the first place?
Go and have a look at the so called kicking Evra reffered too. it is as close to a dive that anyone. He keeps rolling into the pitch so the ref cant allow the game to continue.
I also remind people that Luis Suarez singlehandly teared the Man U defence a collective new arsehole on their last meeting. So much that for this meeting Alex didnt dare to field his strongest attackers because he tried to neutrilize this little terrier. Of course he would jump on any chance to destroy him. The old fucker is paranoid as hell and he dont forget a defeat. This is the maniac that made Beckham, Van Nistleroy and Stam to get the fuck out of his club. And then Liverpool fans jumps on Luis back when e try to fuck him out of england... Disgusting.
I am also fucking tired of hearing abot the handball and the biting. The biting was not good. He served his ban for it, and by then has served his punisjhment and should be allowed back to the society. The handball was not a cheat. It was a heroic save by a man willing to do anything to go to the world cup semis. These things can happen, there are automatic rules for them (red card and a ban in addition to a penalty). Ghana missed the penalty. Luis didnt cheat Ghana out of the world cup. He saved Uruguay through and missed the rest of the tournament. Cheating is diving, like the mancs has done 100 times against us... Sami was sent of due to a dive, Berbatov dived for the penalty, Ruud for another. They cheat and dive, and the one who stands up and call someone divers is Alex Ferguson. The newborn hero of a lot of people here.
The 115 page report is clearly biased against Luis. it is fucking unfair treatment. Shameful. People say "Thats what happen when you show up to a gun duell with a knife". So it is a duell where the strongest part wins, not a fair judgment of what is right and wrong??
f it make me cabbage or make you think less of me, than it is a pity, but I guess I survive. Heard worse.
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=47188.msg1454970#msg1454970 date=1325615720]
Hope the club have someone lined up as replacement......
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Because he's missing for 8 games ? Doubt it. I like the statement from the club it echoes the sentiment that this whole process has been a wholly subjective and targeted farce but we don't feel that we can fight it without damaging the clubs reputation and stance against racism. I still do not believe Suarez is a racist or was acting in a racist way against Evra based on the flimsy so-called evidence presented and the complete lack of any proof whatsoever.
Hope the club have someone lined up as replacement......
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Because he's missing for 8 games ? Doubt it. I like the statement from the club it echoes the sentiment that this whole process has been a wholly subjective and targeted farce but we don't feel that we can fight it without damaging the clubs reputation and stance against racism. I still do not believe Suarez is a racist or was acting in a racist way against Evra based on the flimsy so-called evidence presented and the complete lack of any proof whatsoever.
At least the statement makes clear that the club still doesn't believe justice was done. Oncy and those who've agreed with him might particularly care to note the sentence saying: "This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation". That makes it pretty clear what the club thinks has happened here.
Let's see where this leads now, both for LFC and for football in general.
Let's see where this leads now, both for LFC and for football in general.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1454976#msg1454976 date=1325615968]
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
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No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
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No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1454982#msg1454982 date=1325616169]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1454976#msg1454976 date=1325615968]
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
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No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
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It would suggest the club have probably been humbled somewhat by the findings report, the whole 'we're victims' narrative doesn't really fit anymore
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1454976#msg1454976 date=1325615968]
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
[/quote]
No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
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It would suggest the club have probably been humbled somewhat by the findings report, the whole 'we're victims' narrative doesn't really fit anymore
So he'll be back for the Man United game.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47188.msg1454982#msg1454982 date=1325616169]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1454976#msg1454976 date=1325615968]
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
[/quote]
No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
[/quote]
Oh absolutely you can see how they realise its a solid judgement by the tone of the first few paragraphs.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47188.msg1454976#msg1454976 date=1325615968]
We've only decided against the appeal because we've got a fantastic new striker ready to sign up.
[/quote]
No, it's because the club realise the judgement is a solid one. As was mentioned by the few of us with a hint of common sense in the past few days.
[/quote]
Oh absolutely you can see how they realise its a solid judgement by the tone of the first few paragraphs.
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