The search for a new DM

[moron]

There is another option and one that I think is becoming increasingly likely.

Our transfer dealings are done and we’ll make do with what we have.

You know all that talk about how we should sign young players when they’re under the radar?

Well - we’re going to utilise all our young, under the radar players.

All you dreams are coming true.

Indeed - I have no issue with physically developed young players with the right level of skills starting and able to follow instructions - the issues I had with both Harvey, and Fabio - is that you can see that they were not developed physically enough for full 90 minute games. I think there are too many LFC fans wanting that big signing just coz we got a little bit of money, in what an inflated market. I really don't want that Caicedo, or any other young player above 50M mark who has just one good season in the PL. Its fucking stupid, and even 50M is too much.

 

[StevieM]

I think Caicedo is within reach, but Klopp has decided he's a merc so he's off the table

He’s as in reach as Bellingham & Tchouaméni were.

I’m just shocked we paid the release clause for Slobbers.

 

[ibromurph]

I do like the look of Doucoure on some of the clips I've watched, namely this one:



Going by the way he stopped Troare, Mitoma and Saka, if he's like this on a regular basis, he might be the sort of enforcer we need to replace Fab. Some of it was reminiscent of prime Fabinho.

For me, he's more suited to us than Caicedo, who seems to be a bit like Kante; a roaming DM destroyer.

Whereas Doucoure seems more of a sitting DM, like Fab, where he sits and shields the defence and fills in gaps in the back line.

If Caicedo is worth 80m. Doucoure at anything below 60m is probably fair.

 

[moron]

I do like the look of Doucoure on some of the clips I've watched, namely this one:



Going by the way he stopped Troare, Mitoma and Saka, if he's like this on a regular basis, he might be the sort of enforcer we need to replace Fab. Some of it was reminiscent of prime Fabinho.

For me, he's more suited to us than Caicedo, who seems to be a bit like Kante; a roaming DM destroyer.

Whereas Doucoure seems more of a sitting DM, like Fab, where he sits and shields the defence and fills in gaps in the back line.

If Caicedo is worth 80m. Doucoure at anything below 60m is probably fair.

I don't understand why you guys rate Caicedo so much - yes he looked good, but you also have to look at the games Brighton did not win, Everton/Newcastle really come to mind - that suggests that he may find it harder against midfields that are more physical. The other thing I don't understand is our fanbase buying into the idea that it's worth paying the 80M on this guy based on a seasons performance working along someone who has won a world cup and will no longer play with him because that other player has joined us. That is such a small data size for an 80M player, we can't afford to take such a risk. So this guy at Crystal Palace that cost them 23M last summer has suddenly got a value of 60M ?

To me it seems like we just need to take a punt on an DM in the 25m-35m mark, and they will come good (or be good enough), I mean the way we are talking it feels like any DM out there is good enough for us, such was the shitness of Fabinho and Henderson for two-thirds of last season. So why buy these so called 'prem' proven players, rather look at Europe for other DM's that will be way cheaper and meet our needs.

 

[binomial]

I don't understand why you guys rate Caicedo so much - yes he looked good, but you also have to look at the games Brighton did not win, Everton/Newcastle really come to mind - that suggests that he may find it harder against midfields that are more physical.

You have to look at it as a whole, no team even with your Pele’s Maradonna’s Messi’s and Ronaldo’s have a 100% win ratio and even if they did they’d still be questioned by people “oh why didn’t you score in that game”, no player is perfect so they’ll always be a fault you can pick up on.

Look at it as a whole, how Brighton were before he and MacAllister featured regularly and how they transformed to with them, I’d go on to say they dominated most teams midfield in the league last season. Of course they didn’t always have it their own way, but it’s Brighton,

 

[darkstarexodus]

Caicedo is a pipe dream signing let's zone back into realism here.

& in any case he is a bit because he pounces around in a Chelsea shirt, wagging his dick for Utd and then says he'd love to join Arsenal all in the space of about a month......then he ends up signing a new deal at Brighton, the kids deluded.

Whoever advised him did a shit job. Should have kept him off Instagram and never should have signed a new contract.

 

[moron]

You have to look at it as a whole, no team even with your Pele’s Maradonna’s Messi’s and Ronaldo’s have a 100% win ratio and even if they did they’d still be questioned by people “oh why didn’t you score in that game”, no player is perfect so they’ll always be a fault you can pick up on.

Look at it as a whole, how Brighton were before he and MacAllister featured regularly and how they transformed to with them, I’d go on to say they dominated most teams midfield in the league last season. Of course they didn’t always have it their own way, but it’s Brighton,

I think we would be silly to spend that money on this one player, I don't think the type of DM we want needs to do all that Caicedo is told to do at Brighton, and I am also convinced that our Mac10 is responsible for enhancing how well Caicedo has looked for Brighton, Mac10 single-handedly changed the fortunes of the Argentina team in the WC after that bad start against Saudi. I want that Sangare guy that @StevieM has mentioned - he has a release clause, and as an understudy 6 and part-time 8 we should still get Thuram. Both of them will be sufficient for a team like us. Forget Caicedo, and any other 80M DM type. You should not be paying 80M for DM.

 

[Zlate]

I’m surprised that we aren’t being linked with Fofana from Monaco.

World Cup winner
24 years of age
Plays as a DM
185cm
Physical and strong
Would probably cost around that 35mill
Good experience

Seems like a no brainer to me

 

[moron]

I’m surprised that we aren’t being linked with Fofana from Monaco.

World Cup winner
24 years of age
Plays as a DM
185cm
Physical and strong
Would probably cost around that 35mill
Good experience

Seems like a no brainer to me

Heard some people mention him, is that £35M a release clause ? - coz if it's us they gonna change £40M+

 

[ibromurph]

I don't understand why you guys rate Caicedo so much - yes he looked good, but you also have to look at the games Brighton did not win, Everton/Newcastle really come to mind - that suggests that he may find it harder against midfields that are more physical. The other thing I don't understand is our fanbase buying into the idea that it's worth paying the 80M on this guy based on a seasons performance working along someone who has won a world cup and will no longer play with him because that other player has joined us. That is such a small data size for an 80M player, we can't afford to take such a risk. So this guy at Crystal Palace that cost them 23M last summer has suddenly got a value of 60M ?

To me it seems like we just need to take a punt on an DM in the 25m-35m mark, and they will come good (or be good enough), I mean the way we are talking it feels like any DM out there is good enough for us, such was the shitness of Fabinho and Henderson for two-thirds of last season. So why buy these so called 'prem' proven players, rather look at Europe for other DM's that will be way cheaper and meet our needs.

If we wanted him for 23M, we should have signed him last summer. His value for Palace is determined by a number of factors:

He was their player of the season. They don't want to sell him.
Everyone knows we need a DM and have just received 40M (for a player that's worth 20M based off last season).
He's more mature than Lavia, who is currently valued at 50M.
Again, they don't want to sell him.
Rice going for 105M has affected the market.

 

[bluebell]

I think Caicedo is within reach, but Klopp has decided he's a merc so he's off the table

£100m they want for Caicedo, that's Ferrari territory.
They will get a number 6, who that will be we don’t know, but we know it's not Moises. My hope is that they get two new MF.

 

[Hansern]

Caicedo to Chelsea is probably way to advanced now. For a 100 mill I think its the right call to look elsewhere.

 

[StevieM]

Veratti the latest to be linked.

A 5ft5 30 YO italian midfielder.. hmmmmm

No doubting his quality but I can’t imagine we’ll want to pay much and his wages will be stupid.

Don’t know if he has the legs for the EPL - but if he’s less than we’re selling Hendo for and on less wages…. Maybe if we’re (hahahahaha) bringing someone else, someone younger.

Then again - couldn’t tell you the last time I saw him play - years ago.

 

[Modo]

Veratti the latest to be linked.

A 5ft5 30 YO italian midfielder.. hmmmmm

No doubting his quality but I can’t imagine we’ll want to pay much and his wages will be stupid.

Don’t know if he has the legs for the EPL - but if he’s less than we’re selling Hendo for and on less wages…. Maybe if we’re (hahahahaha) bringing someone else, someone younger.

Then again - couldn’t tell you the last time I saw him play - years ago.

Would have believed it if he was free. We're not paying for a 30 year old.

 

[Hansern]

Verratti is a big N O. 30 years old, high wages and a bit of a perma crock. Not really the profile of a midfielder we want as our 6.
No thank you. Lovely player mind.

 

[moron]

If we wanted him for 23M, we should have signed him last summer. His value for Palace is determined by a number of factors:

He was their player of the season. They don't want to sell him.
Everyone knows we need a DM and have just received 40M (for a player that's worth 20M based off last season).
He's more mature than Lavia, who is currently valued at 50M.
Again, they don't want to sell him.
Rice going for 105M has affected the market.

That's why I say - fuck all the ones out there, and lets get the next reasonably priced guy. We are just sticking to all those that we know - it's like that scene where you know you can't get a specific level of woman, but keep going up to them in the hope one will say 'Yes' eventually. So we need to go out and get the next super-model that is easily identifiable.

As for Declan affecting the market - maybe, but let's be honest - he ain't just your traditional '6', he bombs forward to support the act quite a bit.

 

[Delinquent]

I don't understand why you guys rate Caicedo so much - yes he looked good, but you also have to look at the games Brighton did not win, Everton/Newcastle really come to mind - that suggests that he may find it harder against midfields that are more physical. The other thing I don't understand is our fanbase buying into the idea that it's worth paying the 80M on this guy based on a seasons performance working along someone who has won a world cup and will no longer play with him because that other player has joined us. That is such a small data size for an 80M player, we can't afford to take such a risk. So this guy at Crystal Palace that cost them 23M last summer has suddenly got a value of 60M ?

To me it seems like we just need to take a punt on an DM in the 25m-35m mark, and they will come good (or be good enough), I mean the way we are talking it feels like any DM out there is good enough for us, such was the shitness of Fabinho and Henderson for two-thirds of last season. So why buy these so called 'prem' proven players, rather look at Europe for other DM's that will be way cheaper and meet our needs.

We want to buy young replacements for prime Fabinho and Henderson, not dilapidated Fabinho and Henderson. If we do the latter, we'll be as shit as we were last season for the foreseeable future.

 

[StevieM]

Any day now… word will start to filter out by how impressed Klopp and his team are with the quality and progress made by the youngsters and how he has faith in them to step up.

Followed by stuff about money being tight after not qualifying for the Champions League.

It’s coming…

 

[Modo]

Any day now… word will start to filter out by how impressed Klopp and his team are with the quality and progress made by the youngsters and how he has faith in them to step up.

Followed by stuff about money being tight after not qualifying for the Champions League.

It’s coming…

You're expecting another "we don't need a midfielder" statement from Klopp?

I mean Thiago and Bajcetic are like two new signings...

 

[Buddha]

Boubacar Kamara anyone???

https://www.daveockop.com/latest-ne...ool-are-interested-in-aston-villa-midfielder/

 

[binomial]

Absolutely not.

He doesn't even start in Villa's best midfield.

 

[rubans]

Any day now… word will start to filter out by how impressed Klopp and his team are with the quality and progress made by the youngsters and how he has faith in them to step up.

Followed by stuff about money being tight after not qualifying for the Champions League.

It’s coming…

StevieM, what happened to you?
Have you now switched over to the pessimistic side of we prob won’t sign anyone else and just do with a squad with gaps????

 

[moron]

We want to buy young replacements for prime Fabinho and Henderson, not dilapidated Fabinho and Henderson. If we do the latter, we'll be as shit as we were last season for the foreseeable future.

Rubbish - I keep saying it - we came 5th playing with like 9 men for two-thirds of the season - as neither Henderson/Fabinho could run or tackle, and Trent looked like a fucking zombie. That says a lot - so if you get your average destroyer - young physically developed and can run - our results will improve regardless. You guys are obsessed with spending 80M+ on players that are probably just average anyway with very small sample of data where they have been successful.

 

[moron]

StevieM, what happened to you?
Have you now switched over to the pessimistic side of we prob won’t sign anyone else and just do with a squad with gaps????

Pessimistic - no way, he is a "Top Red" - and will put a spin on it if we don't sign anyone.

 

[binomial]

StevieM, what happened to you?
Have you now switched over to the pessimistic side of we prob won’t sign anyone else and just do with a squad with gaps????

Facetious meeting facetious?

If not, you do worry after all these years spent together in the same place, how one can't differentiate someone who's known for their sarky comments to when they're being straight up.

 

[StevieM]

StevieM, what happened to you?
Have you now switched over to the pessimistic side of we prob won’t sign anyone else and just do with a squad with gaps????

I’m half serious.

We will have a sizeable shortfall in our income next season and the £50m raised from selling Hendo & Fabs isn’t likely to stretch very far.

I think it would be a pretty far from ideal outcome, but would it really be the end of the world?

I mean, a DM is essential, but the prices being quoted and our track record suggests the fact we need one doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll get one.

Be a popcorn moment watching the crazies lose their shit, I suppose.

 

[Mystic]

I’m half serious.

We will have a sizeable shortfall in our income next season and the £50m raised from selling Hendo & Fabs isn’t likely to stretch very far.

I think it would be a pretty far from ideal outcome, but would it really be the end of the world?

I mean, a DM is essential, but the prices being quoted and our track record suggests the fact we need one doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll get one.

Be a popcorn moment watching the crazies lose their shit, I suppose.

Yep, and this is exactly why selling either player is fucking stupid right now. I don't care if they're offers we'll never get again, the money won't affect the first team, and we'll be weaker as a result. We should care about the strength of our first team, not the strength of FSGs profit margins.

 

[binomial]

Do fans really think the money won't go towards the first team?

FSG would be assassinated if come 1st Sep that 52m hasn't been spent on at least 1 more player.

I'm far from being part of the FSG fan club, but they'd really be ok (with all the pressure from fans, Jorg and Klopp) to keep the squad as it is?

 

[bluebell]

I’m half serious.

We will have a sizeable shortfall in our income next season and the £50m raised from selling Hendo & Fabs isn’t likely to stretch very far.

I think it would be a pretty far from ideal outcome, but would it really be the end of the world?

I mean, a DM is essential, but the prices being quoted and our track record suggests the fact we need one doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll get one.

Be a popcorn moment watching the crazies lose their shit, I suppose.

What are you assuming the budget is after sales? FSG has to find away to finance the 3 further acquisitions we need to stay competitive, because the fans will really turn on FSG like Manu fans turned on the Glazers

 

[tombrown]

I think Stevie is right - I almost want us to sign no one, and maybe sell one or two more, just to enjoy the meltdown on here