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The race

These are your words.

You do this all the time - you take a contrary, “extreme” or “edgy” position on something because you think it make you look insightful or thoughtful (newsflash - it doesn’t) or to “provoke debate”. You’re doing it right now with Diaz as a No 9 (when it clearly isn’t working that well).

Then you invariably say something a bit stupid, but rather than qualify the point you double down and go more extreme - every fucking time - it’s almost Trumpian.

Then when you get picked up on it, because you’re more interested in trolling and acting up than actually discussing anything, you’ll start “cunt calling” before invariably having a moan about how you’re the victim of being called names more than anyone.

If you want to run around calling people out for acting like a cunt, best have a long good hard look in the mirror first.
Receipts on display
 
The annoying thing for me is he won't actually go down any genuine attempt to discuss these things, which is what leads to the conclusion that it's just trolling. I'm still awaiting his case for why diaz as 9 works, what great moves have worked with it, without it just being "well, we are winning and drawing, aren't we?"

Let's remember he's not the only one who thinks it works. Slot seems to, as well. Or at least he thinks it's the least bad system, until he has the player he wants to actually do that role.

But theres a difference between that and championing it.

All our best attacking play hasn't been in the period that has used this stopgap.
 
These are your words.

You do this all the time - you take a contrary, “extreme” or “edgy” position on something because you think it make you look insightful or thoughtful (newsflash - it doesn’t) or to “provoke debate”. You’re doing it right now with Diaz as a No 9 (when it clearly isn’t working that well).

Then you invariably say something a bit stupid, but rather than qualify the point you double down and go more extreme - every fucking time - it’s almost Trumpian.

Then when you get picked up on it, because you’re more interested in trolling and acting up than actually discussing anything, you’ll start “cunt calling” before invariably having a moan about how you’re the victim of being called names more than anyone.

If you want to run around calling people out for acting like a cunt, best have a long good hard look in the mirror first.

Yeah but he's already clarified those words, so why persist in quoting the original?

It's a perfectly reasonable position which you're trying to twist into something else.

He's right, you are being a cunt.
 
I wonder how this thread would be if we were 7 points behind.

Forget this thread, the fanbase as a whole would definitely be feeling the pressure less.

There's a sense of vulnerability to being the hunted as opposed to being the hunter, which is almost like a pandemic....every fan feels it equally as daunting.They'll be no rest until this title race is mathematically over.
 
Yeah but he's already clarified those words, so why persist in quoting the original?

It's a perfectly reasonable position which you're trying to twist into something else.

He's right, you are being a cunt.

Because I absolutely disagree with his original point - asking for us to “lose please”, or re-skinning that and mental collapse as “avoidable” and I don’t think he has clarified it to make it “perfectly reasonable”.

We avoid the issues created by additional fixtures by not playing the key players in those fixtures (which we’ve done) and instead using those fixtures to build up the match readiness of players not getting game time elsewhere, so that, if we suddenly need them to play in an import league or CL game, they’re closer to match fitness (which is what we were doing).

I don’t think it’s an extreme position to take - if you do, fair enough, take it up with Arne Slot and ask him to explain why he thinks it’s a good idea.

If you think I’m spaffing shit - have a listen to Gary Neville & Roy Keane talking about players not being match fit and suddenly being called on in their recent podcast thing (out yesterday) - they argued we made too many changes. They certainly didn’t argue that we should have hoped to lose.

I’ll add to that, that a blase attitude to winning and losing amongst the players leads to the sort of weak mentality that perpetuates the sort of doom-loss cycle that we’d want to avoid regardless of how many games we play or don’t play.

The thing about top footballers is, they’re intensely competitive, it’s likely what makes them reach the heights they reach and as sure as fuck makes them not want to lose games.

So I’m glad our players don’t share Dreamies position on this - or yours if that’s where you’re at.

If that makes me a cunt in your eyes or Dreamies... so be it.
 
You do know Gomez was probably going to break at any point. Right? What was it? 6 minutes with no contact?

Still, nice to get that point scoring in
We’ll never know though. One thing I do know is he didn’t need to be risked in that game coming back from injury.

Stupid risk now we lose the ability to rotate our CB without a huge drop in ability.
 
The annoying thing for me is he won't actually go down any genuine attempt to discuss these things, which is what leads to the conclusion that it's just trolling. I'm still awaiting his case for why diaz as 9 works, what great moves have worked with it, without it just being "well, we are winning and drawing, aren't we?"

Let's remember he's not the only one who thinks it works. Slot seems to, as well. Or at least he thinks it's the least bad system, until he has the player he wants to actually do that role.

But theres a difference between that and championing it.

All our best attacking play hasn't been in the period that has used this stopgap.
The Diaz one imo allows us to control games for an hour, pull their players out of shape, tire them, and we do create chances. Sure Diaz isn’t scoring from there for the post but it’s allowing us to control the game in a way Slot clearly likes. Do I think Slot wants better? I would say yes but fuck knows.

The Derby and Forest were very very hard games so I wouldn’t be overly critical.

I don’t think the alternative of Nunez or Gakpo up front makes us better atm.
 
Because I absolutely disagree with his original point - asking for us to “lose please”, or re-skinning that and mental collapse as “avoidable” and I don’t think he has clarified it to make it “perfectly reasonable”.

We avoid the issues created by additional fixtures by not playing the key players in those fixtures (which we’ve done) and instead using those fixtures to build up the match readiness of players not getting game time elsewhere, so that, if we suddenly need them to play in an import league or CL game, they’re closer to match fitness (which is what we were doing).

I don’t think it’s an extreme position to take - if you do, fair enough, take it up with Arne Slot and ask him to explain why he thinks it’s a good idea.

If you think I’m spaffing shit - have a listen to Gary Neville & Roy Keane talking about players not being match fit and suddenly being called on in their recent podcast thing (out yesterday) - they argued we made too many changes. They certainly didn’t argue that we should have hoped to lose.

I’ll add to that, that a blase attitude to winning and losing amongst the players leads to the sort of weak mentality that perpetuates the sort of doom-loss cycle that we’d want to avoid regardless of how many games we play or don’t play.

The thing about top footballers is, they’re intensely competitive, it’s likely what makes them reach the heights they reach and as sure as fuck makes them not want to lose games.

So I’m glad our players don’t share Dreamies position on this - or yours if that’s where you’re at.

If that makes me a cunt in your eyes or Dreamies... so be it.
What makes you a cunt is twisting my words when the intention has been explained by two people and Peter H is far better than me at explaining it. Instead of going ‘fair enough, I see your point of view but disagree (which you are more than entitled to do) you twist my words into something they aren’t. And you know it too which a cunts move. If you genuinely don’t know what you are doing then fine, you are not a cunt, just nowhere near as intelligent as I gave you credit for.

Anyway I’m done arguing the point any longer. Hopefully we’ll be arguing at the end of the season as to whether we could have won the quadruple instead of a treble.
 
What makes you a cunt is twisting my words when the intention has been explained by two people and Peter H is far better than me at explaining it. Instead of going ‘fair enough, I see your point of view but disagree (which you are more than entitled to do) you twist my words into something they aren’t. And you know it too which a cunts move. If you genuinely don’t know what you are doing then fine, you are not a cunt, just nowhere near as intelligent as I gave you credit for.

Anyway I’m done arguing the point any longer. Hopefully we’ll be arguing at the end of the season as to whether we could have won the quadruple instead of a treble.

Alright Dreamie - in the interest of this not getting out of hand.

I apologise for being “cunty” towards you.

I don’t agree with you, I still thing it’s a shite thing to say and to me it’s as cunty a thing to say or do as you believe I’m being.

Maybe next time, you think about how you can also defuse things rather than doubling down and I’ll do the same.

And yes - let’s win treble then we can both be cunts about what could have been.

Is that fair.
 
The Diaz one imo allows us to control games for an hour, pull their players out of shape, tire them, and we do create chances. Sure Diaz isn’t scoring from there for the post but it’s allowing us to control the game in a way Slot clearly likes. Do I think Slot wants better? I would say yes but fuck knows.

The Derby and Forest were very very hard games so I wouldn’t be overly critical.

I don’t think the alternative of Nunez or Gakpo up front makes us better atm.
We tend to score goals when Nunez or Jota are there, and that's not even when Nunez and Jota scored them. The runs of an actual 9 open up space for our 2 attacking mids to exploit, as opposed to Diaz treading on their toes and hoping szob breaks the habit he's formed and actually breaks in to the box.

It's all well and good wearing teams down, but Nunez would also make 9 runs as well as tire them out. And offer an aerial presence. And make tackles.

I like the idea of a false 9 if we had a more aggressively attacking 10/8, or even ala more creative 9 with a range of passion and vision...but Diaz isn't that
 
We’ll never know though. One thing I do know is he didn’t need to be risked in that game coming back from injury.

Stupid risk now we lose the ability to rotate our CB without a huge drop in ability.
I honestly believe that was a risk worth taking. We needed to get minutes into Gomez so he could be ready to cover in bigger games if needed. The FA Cup tie was the opportunity to do that, unfortunately it backfired, but maybe better it backfired then than 5 minutes after he comes on to replace Konate at City, when we are defending a 2-1 lead
 
We’ll never know though. One thing I do know is he didn’t need to be risked in that game coming back from injury.

Stupid risk now we lose the ability to rotate our CB without a huge drop in ability.
Huge drop in ability? I don't see a huge drop between Gomez and Quansah at all and not much from Gomez to Endo (different skillsets, which is more effective would depend on the situation though of course height at set pieces would be the main one).
 
Gomez ruled out for the season it seems…
I took this as fact.

It may be true, but a quick scour of news outlets & reliable twitter accounts do not say this. All we have is Slot saying he is not available for Sunday at the moment.
 
I took this as fact.

It may be true, but a quick scour of news outlets & reliable twitter accounts do not say this. All we have is Slot saying he is not available for Sunday at the moment.
And if he was out for the season he'd surely have mentioned it (foreseeable future).
 
Alright Dreamie - in the interest of this not getting out of hand.

I apologise for being “cunty” towards you.

I don’t agree with you, I still thing it’s a shite thing to say and to me it’s as cunty a thing to say or do as you believe I’m being.

Maybe next time, you think about how you can also defuse things rather than doubling down and I’ll do the same.

And yes - let’s win treble then we can both be cunts about what could have been.

Is that fair.
Good process lads
 
Huge drop in ability? I don't see a huge drop between Gomez and Quansah at all and not much from Gomez to Endo (different skillsets, which is more effective would depend on the situation though of course height at set pieces would be the main one).

Worth also remembering that we went something like 10 league games unbeaten at the end of the season a few years back with the likes of Williams, Phillips and Kabak in defence.

I can easily see both Quansah and Endo stepping up and doing a good job if they need to.
 
The Diaz one imo allows us to control games for an hour, pull their players out of shape, tire them, and we do create chances. Sure Diaz isn’t scoring from there for the post but it’s allowing us to control the game in a way Slot clearly likes. Do I think Slot wants better? I would say yes but fuck knows.

The Derby and Forest were very very hard games so I wouldn’t be overly critical.

I don’t think the alternative of Nunez or Gakpo up front makes us better atm.
You didn't answer my question with regard to examples of the system working well. I mean situations in game that you recall, on the ball, in particular.

Like for example, I can imagine a goal with firmino easily, it's he drops deep, flicks to space, Salah runs on to it, etc.

What is that exciting typical Diaz is doing it, the system is working moment?
 
Moaned all through Jan about signing defenders. Its upto Slot to workout how he works with 3 defensive liabilities

Maybe by staying top and conceding fewer goals than pretty much everyone else in the league, like we’ve been doing with said liabilities so far this season.

Just a thought.
 
I took this as fact.

It may be true, but a quick scour of news outlets & reliable twitter accounts do not say this. All we have is Slot saying he is not available for Sunday at the moment.
Paul Joyce reported its a lengthy injury, same hamstring and deeper scans to consider surgery.

He’ll be out for most of / rest of the season I’d wager.
 
Maybe by staying top and conceding fewer goals than pretty much everyone else in the league, like we’ve been doing with said liabilities so far this season.

Just a thought.
Imagine where we would be if the said liabilities were more competent?
 
What are your weaknesses, would you say, and your strengths?

"I am a liability. But I'm more competent now than ever before!"
 
Alright Dreamie - in the interest of this not getting out of hand.

I apologise for being “cunty” towards you.

I don’t agree with you, I still thing it’s a shite thing to say and to me it’s as cunty a thing to say or do as you believe I’m being.

Maybe next time, you think about how you can also defuse things rather than doubling down and I’ll do the same.

And yes - let’s win treble then we can both be cunts about what could have been.

Is that fair.
I appreciate that thank you and I apologise too. I definitely did think you doing it on purpose so I take it take.

We would have got City away in the next round so I’m still pretty happy with the outcome in terms of us priorities the league and giving us the best possible chance there.
 
I honestly believe that was a risk worth taking. We needed to get minutes into Gomez so he could be ready to cover in bigger games if needed. The FA Cup tie was the opportunity to do that, unfortunately it backfired, but maybe better it backfired then than 5 minutes after he comes on to replace Konate at City, when we are defending a 2-1 lead
You could be right and maybe it was a risk worth taking and the plan was to take him off after 60 mins.
 
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