It must be tough Pat to see your beloved Manure struggle so much without your beloved Fergie!
The Moyes Effect
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Ha. I doubt there was a happier man sitting in the Celtic Bar in Melbourne waiting for the All Ireland Hurling final to start after watching WBA not just win but play Utd off the park in the 2nd half. I just hope they win enough games to keep him in charge for another year. 5th and the league cup and the CL q/f or s/f would be great.
No Pat, 10th with no trophies and a group stage exit from the CL would be great.
The thing is, the fear that away teams used to show at OT is gone.
WBA were the best team in the 2nd half and deserved their win.
The never surrender attitude Fergie was known for is also gone. In the 80th minute the players just looked like they'd given up. But under Fergie this is when they won so many points.
Their squad has loads of average players and under Moyes they look just that - average.
I love it. Long may it continue.
WBA were the best team in the 2nd half and deserved their win.
The never surrender attitude Fergie was known for is also gone. In the 80th minute the players just looked like they'd given up. But under Fergie this is when they won so many points.
Their squad has loads of average players and under Moyes they look just that - average.
I love it. Long may it continue.
The lack of effort from Anderson was astounding. He was sauntering back with no urgency during their goals and a handful of their efforts.
Someone on the radio this morning said Moyes spent 11 years trying to get Everton above ManUre and has finally succeeded. 😀
No, not Among the execs. Look at who got all the flak for the transfer window.
To be fair to Ross, he always had Fergie on the short list of those who DO
I hope their fortunes improve. Not to the extent of success but so that he won't get the sack. It's hard to imagine them getting things wrong a 2nd time. Let him stay there for as long as possible (so long as they don't win things)!
It's a copout.
Managers don't make a difference and all you thickos haven't a clue*
*warning. some managers do make a difference.
It's bollocks.
Manchester United boss David Moyes says his team do not have sufficient class to win the Champions League this season.
United have lost three of their opening six games in the Barclays Premier League under Moyes, with the latest setback coming in a 2-1 home defeat to West Brom at Old Trafford on Saturday.
The Premier League champions were unsuccessful in their pursuit of a number of summer transfer targets, with interest in Cesc Fabregas, Leighton Baines and, finally, Ander Herrera all coming to nothing, and Moyes is concerned that his squad may lack the quality to challenge for Europe's top club prize.
"To win the Champions League, you need five or six world-class players," he told several national newspapers.
Henry Winter, Shaun Custis and Andy Dunn assess how David Moyes is adjusting to life with the Premier League champions
"Look at Bayern Munich, they have it. Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past and Real Madrid, who have maybe got it now. That's the level you have to be at to win it. We've not got that yet but what we have got is experience."
The Red Devils began their Champions League campaign with a 4-2 home win over Bayer Leverkusen earlier this month and face a difficult assignment away to Shakhtar Donetsk on Wednesday.
They have not enjoyed great success in either of their previous two European campaigns under former boss Sir Alex Ferguson, going out at the group stage in 2012 and losing in the last 16 to Real Madrid last season.
Charlie Nicholas believes the evidence is worrying for Man Utd fans following a poor performance in the 2-1 defeat against West Brom.
Domestically, United's start to the campaign is their worst since the 1989-90 season - one which ended with Ferguson's first silverware as the club won the FA Cup.
The defeat to West Brom was their first home loss to the Baggies since 1978.
But a solid Baggies defensive display, along with some impressive counter-attacking football, proved too much for the Red Devils to handle, andMoyes felt his side got what they deserved.
"Disappointing performance, disappointing result. We never really got up to speed," Moyes said.
"We had a few chances, but West Brom held their shape and defended well.
"They always looked a threat on the break, in the first half especially and even more so in the second half.
Charlie Nicholas believes the evidence is worrying for Man Utd fans following a poor performance in the 2-1 defeat against West Brom.
"We missed that spark and West Brom deserved it no question. I can't argue with that."
The United manager introduced Adnan Januzaj at half-time in place of Shinji Kagawa, but the change had little effect on proceedings.
"I just tried to find another way, change things from the first half," Moyes explained.
"We want Shinji to feel he's getting an opportunity to show what he can do and his best position may be number 10.
"But even for Japan he plays off the left as well so it's not something which is strange to him or a position he's not used to.
"I thought young Adnan came on and did really well.
"I have a strong team here at United, some good players, so I am in no doubt we will put it right.
"We will just go out and try and win the next one."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...e-not-good-enough-to-win-the-champions-league
United have lost three of their opening six games in the Barclays Premier League under Moyes, with the latest setback coming in a 2-1 home defeat to West Brom at Old Trafford on Saturday.
The Premier League champions were unsuccessful in their pursuit of a number of summer transfer targets, with interest in Cesc Fabregas, Leighton Baines and, finally, Ander Herrera all coming to nothing, and Moyes is concerned that his squad may lack the quality to challenge for Europe's top club prize.
"To win the Champions League, you need five or six world-class players," he told several national newspapers.
Henry Winter, Shaun Custis and Andy Dunn assess how David Moyes is adjusting to life with the Premier League champions
"Look at Bayern Munich, they have it. Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past and Real Madrid, who have maybe got it now. That's the level you have to be at to win it. We've not got that yet but what we have got is experience."
The Red Devils began their Champions League campaign with a 4-2 home win over Bayer Leverkusen earlier this month and face a difficult assignment away to Shakhtar Donetsk on Wednesday.
They have not enjoyed great success in either of their previous two European campaigns under former boss Sir Alex Ferguson, going out at the group stage in 2012 and losing in the last 16 to Real Madrid last season.
Charlie Nicholas believes the evidence is worrying for Man Utd fans following a poor performance in the 2-1 defeat against West Brom.
Domestically, United's start to the campaign is their worst since the 1989-90 season - one which ended with Ferguson's first silverware as the club won the FA Cup.
The defeat to West Brom was their first home loss to the Baggies since 1978.
But a solid Baggies defensive display, along with some impressive counter-attacking football, proved too much for the Red Devils to handle, andMoyes felt his side got what they deserved.
"Disappointing performance, disappointing result. We never really got up to speed," Moyes said.
"We had a few chances, but West Brom held their shape and defended well.
"They always looked a threat on the break, in the first half especially and even more so in the second half.
Charlie Nicholas believes the evidence is worrying for Man Utd fans following a poor performance in the 2-1 defeat against West Brom.
"We missed that spark and West Brom deserved it no question. I can't argue with that."
The United manager introduced Adnan Januzaj at half-time in place of Shinji Kagawa, but the change had little effect on proceedings.
"I just tried to find another way, change things from the first half," Moyes explained.
"We want Shinji to feel he's getting an opportunity to show what he can do and his best position may be number 10.
"But even for Japan he plays off the left as well so it's not something which is strange to him or a position he's not used to.
"I thought young Adnan came on and did really well.
"I have a strong team here at United, some good players, so I am in no doubt we will put it right.
"We will just go out and try and win the next one."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...e-not-good-enough-to-win-the-champions-league
I hope they win a few here and there so he doesn't get sacked.
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Not until after the game today.
Why? We did for decades.
No I want to keep him in charge not get him sacked
So a deep run into the CL is what you wish for a club you hate?
Which, along with our failure to capitalize on our fan base for the merchandising and marketing front, was kind of 'criminal'.
Their next appointment will probably be someone proven.
Now we can laugh.
There's a certain ex-byern record breaking coach who may relish the chance man utd. Im not talking about van gaal
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