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The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg917539#msg917539 date=1249378716]
What in there is him going to the dark side? It's just a shitty article that says nothing.



The article basically seems to be:

A lot of idiots look to me for solid information, despite the fact that I've spent the last few weeks exploring every mealy mouthed way of being kindof wrong on a transfer.

I tell them quite earnestly, "look, I don't know any more than the blatantly obvious", but in many more words so it fills up copy.

Then I instruct them that anything could change, and I make no predictions on what will happen.
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Thanks for that exegetical response. He's turned from being a Rafaphile to a Rafaphobe. I forgot I should have added footnotes detailing the arc of this development for our more picky readers.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

He always begins his articles with something like 'My hoards of fans have been asking me.....' these days. It makes me cringe. I particularly liked this bit: 'This is the first time that the Liverpool boss has overseen a player negotiation and been responsible for agreeing the fee (the Glen Johnson fee was pretty much agreed by virtue of the sums owed to Liverpool by Portsmouth)'. Some superb reasoning from Guillem. He's a fucking moron.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg917541#msg917541 date=1249378872]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg917539#msg917539 date=1249378716]
What in there is him going to the dark side? It's just a shitty article that says nothing.



The article basically seems to be:

A lot of idiots look to me for solid information, despite the fact that I've spent the last few weeks exploring every mealy mouthed way of being kindof wrong on a transfer.

I tell them quite earnestly, "look, I don't know any more than the blatantly obvious", but in many more words so it fills up copy.

Then I instruct them that anything could change, and I make no predictions on what will happen.
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Thanks for that exegetical response. He's turned from being a Rafaphile to a Rafaphobe. I forgot I should have added footnotes detailing the arc of this development for our more picky readers.
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This has turned into an epic of the Star Wars genre, the trilogy and the 3 prequels.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

If you get to a stage where you "feel betrayed" because you are being accused of writing a transfer request when in actual fact you made it verbally, then I think its time to fuck off. Poor Xabi!

Financially there may be a difference, in reality theres none
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I hate that madrid are making a big deal about small sum they are away from our valuation, if the sum is so small then fucking pay it.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

If the teams are only a few million euro apart in terms of valuation surely if they throw in one of their lesser players, maybe the right back Arbeloa (we can use him as cover), then we have a deal.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg917550#msg917550 date=1249380063]
I hate that Liverpool are making a big deal about small sum they are away from our valuation, if the sum is so small then fucking sell him.
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Works both ways.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Not really. We're not putting him up for sale. They are trying to buy him. This is the difference they don't seem to appreciate.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

True.

But he is fairly keen to leave. I was playing devils advocate, we should wait for the asking price or not sell him.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Every day that passes without this drags on is making me more and more frustrated. If its going to happen, fucking do it already. If they won't say the fee, tell them to fuck off. We've a league title to win.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=33578.msg917536#msg917536 date=1249378552]
I'm surprised they're being so difficult given their spending this summer. Xabi's proven more in the game then Benzema and comes with much less risk.

And after Xabi's "for better or worse" comment, I'm not going to be upset to see him leave.
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Considering we usually spring for the lube when they fuck us over, it's not really that surprising.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I don't think they've "fucked us over" in the past.

The free-transfer of McManaman and the reduced fee of Owen was purely our own fault. You can't blame any club for taking advantage of that incompetence, but yeah, I get your point.

I'm glad we're standing firm in this, but I hope a deal is in place so the replacement can sign immediately.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=33578.msg917572#msg917572 date=1249383005]
I don't think they've "fucked us over" in the past.

The free-transfer of McManaman and the reduced fee of Owen was purely our own fault. You can't blame any club for taking advantage of that incompetence, but yeah, I get your point.

I'm glad we're standing firm in this, but I hope a deal is in place so the replacement can sign immediately.
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true, but you can blame them for giving us the horrible nunez, then again it was our fault for taking him.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Exactly, if we were in a similar position now we'd gladly throw Dossena in as a "sweetener".
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

It'll be quite interesting if we sign Aquilani thinking Xabi is going, then the Xabi deal falls through!
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg917582#msg917582 date=1249384374]
It'll be quite interesting if we sign Aquilani thinking Xabi is going, then the Xabi deal falls through!
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aquilani can move above lucas in packing order and lucas will still get games if the former's injury record is anything to go by.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg917582#msg917582 date=1249384374]
It'll be quite interesting if we sign Aquilani thinking Xabi is going, then the Xabi deal falls through!
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It seems strange that we've put ourselves in a position that we're seemingly on the verge of spending £15m on a player while still maintaining our stance over Xabi.

Surely this is good for Madrid? They know if the Aquilani deal is hinging on the Xabi deal, then we're under pressure to make sure the deal goes through.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

The definitive word on the whole saga (Ballague).....

Liverpool and Madrid take firm stance inches apart

Several readers have asked a similar question: "Hi Guillem, can you clear up what is going on with Alonso? Has his move to Real Madrid broken down. Some say it has, while other report say that he is as good as a Madrid player already. Haven`t deadlines been passed now. What`s going on?"

Following Sunday’s meeting between the two clubs at the Juan Carlos I hotel in Barcelona, the lack of any real developments on Monday led to the circulation of a host of conflicting rumours flooding in to fill the vacuum: with some media reports saying the deal had broken down for good, while others claimed a deal had been struck.


The truth is that very little had changed on Monday and, while no deal has yet been struck, the difference separating the two sides in the negotiations is minimal: around €5 million with add-ons. In other words, with Xabi Alonso as Real Madrid’s number one target, with the player in question wanting to leave and with Benitez aware that the best solution for all parties is some form of agreement – then we cannot draw a line under this saga for the time being. Yet, despite the fact that Rafa Benitez would desperately like this matter resolved as soon as possible – as has been the case all along; Real Madrid are working to their own timetable and as one source close to negotiations said last night: “the differences are small, but small enough to mean that we cannot say that a deal has been struck.â€


The word out of Liverpool is that “nothing has changed since Sunday,†but the fact that the lines of communication remain open and that the two sides are separated by such a relatively small amount means that the slightest showing of flexibility from Anfield or the application of a degree of imagination in Madrid to Real’s financial situation could see an agreement struck in a matter of minutes.


However, at this moment in time, Real Madrid (who could still do with selling a player or two) are insisting that their offer is final – although not for the first time – while Rafa Benitez remains firm in his stance. This is the first time that the Liverpool boss has overseen a player negotiation and been responsible for agreeing the fee (the Glen Johnson fee was pretty much agreed by virtue of the sums owed to Liverpool by Portsmouth) and he is setting out his stall as a tough negotiator. In fairness to Benitez, he wishes to set a precedent that he will not be bullied into a deal, and taking Liverpool’s relative lack of funds in the transfer market into account, it is his best from of defence for the future.


Unfortunately, caught somewhere in the middle of all this, is Xabi Alonso – and I think that the player feels betrayed by the reports that he handed in a formal transfer request. Liverpool insist that Alonso has handed in a written request, while from Alonso’s end, I am told it was only a verbal petition. I am concerned about Xabi’s state of mind following all of this, although the player has told a colleague of mine, before the player boarded his flight out of Barcelona last night, that he is not letting it affect him: “I am detached from it all,†said Xabi, “tomorrow I’ll be in Norway with the team and if something happens, someone will let me know.â€


I have wondered, since all of this began, how Xabi would respond to an offer from another club if he fails to get his move to the Bernabeu and the matter ends in acrimony. However, for the moment, the Real Madrid move is still a possibility and although there are financial differences between the two parties, the relationships between clubs are still intact.

The verbal sparring that took place throughout the respective media in both countries appears to have ceased and - where there was a friendship and respect before all this began – there remains a healthy relationship. At the moment, there are no further meetings between Real Madrid and Liverpool scheduled, but nor have bridges been burned and despite what has been suggested, Benitez is not averse to dealing with Madrid. As one Liverpool source said: “If Rafa had anything against Madrid, he would have held talks with Barcelona over the transfer of Mascherano €“ something that has not happened and nor is it going to.â€
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33578.msg917586#msg917586 date=1249384666]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg917582#msg917582 date=1249384374]
It'll be quite interesting if we sign Aquilani thinking Xabi is going, then the Xabi deal falls through!
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It seems strange that we've put ourselves in a position that we're seemingly on the verge of spending £15m on a player while still maintaining our stance over Xabi.

Surely this is good for Madrid? They know if the Aquilani deal is hinging on the Xabi deal, then we're under pressure to make sure the deal goes through.
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No, Madrid will also have a similar deal set up, and we'll know about it. The fact ours has been publicised is probably just another clumsy attempt by Marca to niggle us.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=33578.msg917592#msg917592 date=1249385120]
The definitive word on the whole saga (Ballague).....

Liverpool and Madrid take firm stance inches apart

Several readers have asked a similar question: "Hi Guillem, can you clear up what is going on with Alonso? Has his move to Real Madrid broken down. Some say it has, while other report say that he is as good as a Madrid player already. Haven`t deadlines been passed now. What`s going on?"

etc etc etc
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I only posted this a couple of pages ago!!
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Marca reports that the difference in valuation is 8 mill euros. We want 40, but have agreed to budge down to 38. Real are offering 28, and could raise it to 30.. So we're quite far from a solution it seems.

Alonsos agent is also causing some concern, he wants 5 million euros because he's negotiated Alonsos personal contract.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I guess we'll settle on £30M raising to £33Mish.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33578.msg917547#msg917547 date=1249379206]
If you get to a stage where you "feel betrayed" because you are being accused of writing a transfer request when in actual fact you made it verbally, then I think its time to fuck off. Poor Xabi!

Financially there may be a difference, in reality theres none
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I wonder if it's true (i.e.Xabi feeling "betrayed&quot😉 anyway.  IF it is, it sounds like the kind of thing an agent would try and whisper in his client's ear to stir up some artificial discontent in the player and make sure the deal (hence also the agent's cut) goes through.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33578.msg917600#msg917600 date=1249385744]
Marca reports that the difference in valuation is 8 mill euros. We want 40, but have agreed to budge down to 38. Real are offering 28, and could raise it to 30.. So we're quite far from a solution it seems.

Alonsos agent is also causing some concern, he wants 5 million euros because he's negotiated Alonsos personal contract.
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40 million euros? ha ha fucking hell, GO RAFA!!!
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

It must be an odd situation with player and manager having the same agent.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

if this isnt done by tomorrow Rafa should publicly state Alonso is a Liverpool player and is untransferable, enough is enough we can't let this drag on.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Just wondering, does anyone hope that Alonso leaves or is everyone hoping that the deals falls through? Its obvious where his heart lies so maybe we'd be better off with players who actually want to be here.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=33578.msg917639#msg917639 date=1249389884]
Just wondering, does anyone hope that Alonso leaves or is everyone hoping that the deals falls through? Its obvious where his heart lies so maybe we'd be better off with players who actually want to be here.
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he is a professional and will get over it. they can have him at this price next year

Rafa should publicly rule it out tomorrow if they dont come up with the cash because to have this going on this late into the window is not good.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg917581#msg917581 date=1249384343]
he'd be too heavy to throw
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Ha!
 
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