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The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=33578.msg917318#msg917318 date=1249320598]
It doesn't have a poem [size=40pt]UNTIL NOW[/size]:

Cheesewarblers of Mephistopheles
Incandecent, hunting her vapours
Touch it, it stirs for you, oobylooby,
Liky a shiny spoon
Overall....nay....
Underwhelmed and sleeping
Beside her rusting fondue set
That he'd found in Alaska,
In April of last year, not this year.
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That's fantastic.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=33578.msg917343#msg917343 date=1249324090]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=33578.msg917318#msg917318 date=1249320598]
It doesn't have a poem [size=40pt]UNTIL NOW[/size]:

Cheesewarblers of Mephistopheles
Incandecent, hunting her vapours
Touch it, it stirs for you, oobylooby,
Liky a shiny spoon
Overall....nay....
Underwhelmed and sleeping
Beside her rusting fondue set
That he'd found in Alaska,
In April of last year, not this year.
[/quote]

That's fantastic.
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Thanks Del, it's part of my new collection. I've been thinking about reading a few in The Harry before the Villa game next month.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

so what happened to this deadline. is it like i'll count to 3 and when i get to 2 it becomes 2 1/2?

this is bollocks, we're 12 days to the start of our season.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg917005#msg917005 date=1249288492]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg916942#msg916942 date=1249259900]
Contrast this with the legths that Ferguson's gone to oevr the years to keep his players. [/quote]

That's just being selective. Did Ginsoak go to great lengths to keep Tevez, Beckham, Ince, Staam, etc etc? He's gone to great lengths very rarely, and only when he's known there's a decent chance of hanging on to a key player.
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Which is exactly the point I was making. He made an effort to keep the ones he knew would make the difference. The players you've mentioned are all ones he's let go.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

yra he let them go after winning titles using them
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=reuque link=topic=33578.msg917221#msg917221 date=1249312286]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=33578.msg917219#msg917219 date=1249312196]
I am breaking my resolve not to post on this thread but I am just wondering how tis thread has not turned NSFW yet! Paddy has lost his touch.
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Paddy is concerned about your son Y1
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Paddy is never concerned about anyone. He might be younger than my son! heh heh
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

No compromise over Xabi Alonso asking price, Liverpool tell Real Madrid
• Roma's Alberto Aquilani lined up as Alonso replacement
• Riera tells Liverpool fans not to worry over poor pre-season

Andy Hunter The Guardian, Tuesday 4 August 2009 Article history


Liverpool have told Real Madrid there will be no compromise over their asking price for Xabi Alonso as the Spanish midfielder prepares to join Rafael Benítez's team in Norway tonight rather than seal a protracted move to the Bernabéu.

Alonso was allowed to remain in Spain following Liverpool's pre-season friendly against Espanyol on Sunday, along with several compatriots from Benítez's squad. The 27-year-old is expected to travel with Liverpool to Oslo this evening, however, ahead of a friendly against FC Lyn tomorrow night, as Real have yet to meet the Anfield club's £30m valuation of the influential playmaker.

The saga of Alonso's future appeared close to conclusion after a meeting between Liverpool's new managing director, Christian Purslow, and the executive director-general of Real, José Angel Sánchez, in Barcelona on Sunday. But the meeting merely impressed on Real that only an offer of £30m, plus additional bonus payments, would tempt Liverpool to sell at this late stage in the close season. Purslow has confirmed there was no agreement during his meeting with Sánchez. "This [meeting] has only served to put our positions on the table. We need to continue talking," he said.

Real had not returned with an improvement on their existing £25m bid by close of business yesterday, although sources in Madrid claim the club's president, Florentino Pérez, believes it remains a case of when and not if Alonso becomes his latest signing.

Benítez has lined up Roma's £18m-rated Alberto Aquilani as a replacement for Alonso should the deal go through, although the Liverpool manager remains reluctant to lose an established Premier League asset ahead of a season that carries expectations of the title. Alonso, who has submitted a transfer request in an effort to force through a move to Madrid, believes Sunday's meeting represents an important breakthrough in the exhaustive process.

"It's reassuring to know that Madrid and Liverpool are talking seriously now," he told the Spanish newspaper AS. "I decided a long time ago to stay on the margin of everything that was happening. My stance has been clear, as you all know. I'm a professional and I must wait for an agreement to be reached but I hope it is resolved soon, for better or for worse."

The Liverpool midfielder Albert Riera, meanwhile, has dismissed concerns over the team's pre-season form, with even Benítez criticising the work rate in the 3–0 loss to Espanyol on Sunday. "Some of us came back from our national teams a little bit later and have only had 10 or 12 days' training," said Riera. "We need a little bit more before the start of the season, but we will be ready. Of course we are disappointed because we lost. Even if it's a friendly match, you always want to win but, as I said, it is all about being ready for the very first game."

Keep Alonso, and buy Aquilani. Sound.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg917466#msg917466 date=1249348790]
No compromise over Xabi Alonso asking price, Liverpool tell Real Madrid
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If this is the case, then Benitez needs to start Alonso on Wednesday and play him more than six minutes at the end of the match. He needs to be match fit and ready to go in two weeks if they refuse to meet our asking price and we end up keeping him.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=33578.msg917346#msg917346 date=1249324299]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=33578.msg917343#msg917343 date=1249324090]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=33578.msg917318#msg917318 date=1249320598]
It doesn't have a poem [size=40pt]UNTIL NOW[/size]:

Cheesewarblers of Mephistopheles
Incandecent, hunting her vapours
Touch it, it stirs for you, oobylooby,
Liky a shiny spoon
Overall....nay....
Underwhelmed and sleeping
Beside her rusting fondue set
That he'd found in Alaska,
In April of last year, not this year.
[/quote]

That's fantastic.
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Thanks Del, it's part of my new collection. I've been thinking about reading a few in The Harry before the Villa game next month.
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That is er, so Gene-ious.

Now we need some videos clips of Monthy Python.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Regardless of the importance to the team you give Xabi a fee of 28 million has to be seen as good business.

He'll be difficult to replace but not impossible and we should be left with a good few quid to bolster the attack.

First choice for me, as an established playmaker, would be Pirlo. A bolder pick would be Huddlestone, I think he has the attributes to shine.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=33578.msg917490#msg917490 date=1249369370]
Regardless of the importance to the team you give Xabi a fee of 28 million has to be seen as good business.

He'll be difficult to replace but not impossible and we should be left with a good few quid to bolster the attack.

First choice for me, as an established playmaker, would be Pirlo. A bolder pick would be Huddlestone, I think he has the attributes to shine.
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huddlestone? oh dear me.
alonso is one of the best in the world and therefore should command a huge fee, if real don't think he is worth that fee they should shut the fuck up and move on, we aren't real's feeder club, we owe them no favours and alonso DOES have a long contract.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg917498#msg917498 date=1249372154]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=33578.msg917490#msg917490 date=1249369370]
Regardless of the importance to the team you give Xabi a fee of 28 million has to be seen as good business.

He'll be difficult to replace but not impossible and we should be left with a good few quid to bolster the attack.

First choice for me, as an established playmaker, would be Pirlo. A bolder pick would be Huddlestone, I think he has the attributes to shine.
[/quote]

huddlestone? oh dear me.
alonso is one of the best in the world and therefore should command a huge fee, if real don't think he is worth that fee they should shut the fuck up and move on, we aren't real's feeder club, we owe them no favours and alonso DOES have a long contract.
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We all know your stance Neil. Stating ad infinitum won't makes us necessarily agree with you.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=33578.msg917502#msg917502 date=1249373100]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg917498#msg917498 date=1249372154]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=33578.msg917490#msg917490 date=1249369370]
Regardless of the importance to the team you give Xabi a fee of 28 million has to be seen as good business.

He'll be difficult to replace but not impossible and we should be left with a good few quid to bolster the attack.

First choice for me, as an established playmaker, would be Pirlo. A bolder pick would be Huddlestone, I think he has the attributes to shine.
[/quote]

huddlestone? oh dear me.
alonso is one of the best in the world and therefore should command a huge fee, if real don't think he is worth that fee they should shut the fuck up and move on, we aren't real's feeder club, we owe them no favours and alonso DOES have a long contract.
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We all know your stance Neil. Stating ad infinitum won't makes us necessarily agree with you.
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I want the deal to fall through and until contracts are signed I wont give up hope
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg917436#msg917436 date=1249340277]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg917005#msg917005 date=1249288492]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg916942#msg916942 date=1249259900]
Contrast this with the legths that Ferguson's gone to oevr the years to keep his players. [/quote]

That's just being selective. Did Ginsoak go to great lengths to keep Tevez, Beckham, Ince, Staam, etc etc? He's gone to great lengths very rarely, and only when he's known there's a decent chance of hanging on to a key player.
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Which is exactly the point I was making. He made an effort to keep the ones he knew would make the difference. The players you've mentioned are all ones he's let go.
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That's reading things into his actions retrospectively to suit your argument: 'If they left he wanted them to, if they stayed it's because he achieved an incredible act of persuasion'. Really? Tevez was really surplus to requirements, and not just too expensive and mightily peed off with the boss? You're sounding almost Carragher-like in your eagerness to honour Ginsoak's God-like abilities.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Xabi Alonso D-Day: Real Madrid ready to give up on Liverpool star as Reds refuse to budge on £30m price-tag


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...dge-30m-price-tag.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0NCgKx2Ll




Real Madrid are threatening to walk away from negotiations to sign Xabi Alonso if Liverpool do not drop their £30million asking price today.

The Reds' managing director Christian Purslow entered talks in Barcelona on Sunday demanding £30m up front for their 27-year-old with a further £4m in performance-related add-ons.
But although preliminary contacts had suggested a compromise was close, the Madrid director conducting negotiations, Jose Angel Sanchez, has only been sanctioned to offer £23m, rising to £25.5m with add-ons.

Liverpool are said to have been only prepared to lower their demands by £2m, seen by insiders at the Spanish giants as ridiculous.
Bernabeu president Florentino Perez will not deal at this level and had expected the price to fall following Alonso's decision to hand in a transfer request.
The Spain midfielder is understood to have already agreed in principle a hefty after-tax salary of £80,000 a week on a four-year deal with Madrid.
Sources in Spain suggest Alonso's agent Inaki Ibanez is also seeking £4.25m from the deal, which provides another barrier to the deal.Madrid are ready to turn to Standard Liege's Steven Defour as an alternative. Coincidentally, Liverpool have also tracked the 21-year-old Belgium international as a potential replacement for Alonso.
Spanish newspaper Marca - seen as being close to Reak Madrid - revealed the club's interest in Defour on Monday and today picture the player holding a copy of the newspaper under the headline: 'I can be just as good as Xabi Alonso.'

With interest from Defour also coming from Everton, Aston Villa and Arsenal, Liege are trying to put the pressure on for an £18m deal to be done quickly.
That in turn increases the pressure on a resolution in Alonso talks and Madrid are believe it is time to walk away from the table if there is no progress today.


Agent heh! Got to love them.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I find it hard to believe that after the past 4 weeks, Madrid of all the clubs in the world would sack off a transfer for the sake of a few million.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Fuck you Real and Florentino Perez.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=the count link=topic=33578.msg917518#msg917518 date=1249376885]
Xabi Alonso D-Day: Real Madrid ready to give up on Liverpool star as Reds refuse to budge on £30m price-tag


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...dge-30m-price-tag.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0NCgKx2Ll




Real Madrid are threatening to walk away from negotiations to sign Xabi Alonso if Liverpool do not drop their £30million asking price today.

The Reds' managing director Christian Purslow entered talks in Barcelona on Sunday demanding £30m up front for their 27-year-old with a further £4m in performance-related add-ons.
But although preliminary contacts had suggested a compromise was close, the Madrid director conducting negotiations, Jose Angel Sanchez, has only been sanctioned to offer £23m, rising to £25.5m with add-ons.

Liverpool are said to have been only prepared to lower their demands by £2m, seen by insiders at the Spanish giants as ridiculous.
Bernabeu president Florentino Perez will not deal at this level and had expected the price to fall following Alonso's decision to hand in a transfer request.
The Spain midfielder is understood to have already agreed in principle a hefty after-tax salary of £80,000 a week on a four-year deal with Madrid.
Sources in Spain suggest Alonso's agent Inaki Ibanez is also seeking £4.25m from the deal, which provides another barrier to the deal.
Madrid are ready to turn to Standard Liege's Steven Defour as an alternative. Coincidentally, Liverpool have also tracked the 21-year-old Belgium international as a potential replacement for Alonso.
Spanish newspaper Marca - seen as being close to Reak Madrid - revealed the club's interest in Defour on Monday and today picture the player holding a copy of the newspaper under the headline: 'I can be just as good as Xabi Alonso.'

With interest from Defour also coming from Everton, Aston Villa and Arsenal, Liege are trying to put the pressure on for an £18m deal to be done quickly.
That in turn increases the pressure on a resolution in Alonso talks and Madrid are believe it is time to walk away from the table if there is no progress today.







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oh please please please please please please please please please please please please fall through
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

We must stick to whatever our internal deadline is. If we want 30 and they won't pay, it's over at that point if we won't budge.

That way we have enough time to finish what we need to, which had better include an additional attacking purchase. Real don't give a fuck if they get Alonso on the last day of the season. We will get raked over the coals making last minute purchases, because if we don't replace Alonso, we have 0 chance of winning the league. A million or two is irrelevant compared to making sure we control the deal.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Hope we don't budge, because if we do we are letting them rape us. About time we stood up to these cunts.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

What worries me is that the player obviously wants to go. What happens if they come up with the money in a week or 10 days time? We're left in an Owen situation.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=33578.msg917527#msg917527 date=1249377964]
What worries me is that the player obviously wants to go. What happens if they come up with the money in a week or 10 days time? We're left in an Owen situation.
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we really should issue a cut off time.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I guess that's what the deadline is there for.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

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Ballague

04/08/2009

Liverpool and Madrid take firm stance inches apart


Several readers have asked a similar question: "Hi Guillem, can you clear up what is going on with Alonso? Has his move to Real Madrid broken down. Some say it has, while other report say that he is as good as a Madrid player already. Haven`t deadlines been passed now. What`s going on?"

Following Sunday’s meeting between the two clubs at the Juan Carlos I hotel in Barcelona, the lack of any real developments on Monday led to the circulation of a host of conflicting rumours flooding in to fill the vacuum: with some media reports saying the deal had broken down for good, while others claimed a deal had been struck.


The truth is that very little had changed on Monday and, while no deal has yet been struck, the difference separating the two sides in the negotiations is minimal: around €5 million including add-ons. In other words, with Xabi Alonso as Real Madrid’s number one target, with the player in question wanting to leave and with Benitez aware that the best solution for all parties is some form of agreement – then we cannot draw a line under this saga for the time being. Yet, despite the fact that Rafa Benitez would desperately like this matter resolved as soon as possible – as has been the case all along; Real Madrid are working to their own timetable and as one source close to negotiations said last night: “the differences are small, but small enough to mean that we cannot say that a deal has been struck.â€


The word out of Liverpool is that “nothing has changed since Sunday,†but the fact that the lines of communication remain open and that the two sides are separated by such a relatively small amount means that the slightest showing of flexibility from Anfield or the application of a degree of imagination in Madrid to Real’s financial situation could see an agreement struck in a matter of minutes.


However, at this moment in time, Real Madrid (who could still do with selling a player or two) are insisting that their offer is final – although not for the first time – while Rafa Benitez remains firm in his stance. This is the first time that the Liverpool boss has overseen a player negotiation and been responsible for agreeing the fee (the Glen Johnson fee was pretty much agreed by virtue of the sums owed to Liverpool by Portsmouth) and he is setting out his stall as a tough negotiator. In fairness to Benitez, he wishes to set a precedent that he will not be bullied into a deal, and taking Liverpool’s relative lack of funds in the transfer market into account, it is his best from of defence for the future.


Unfortunately, caught somewhere in the middle of all this, is Xabi Alonso – and I think that the player feels betrayed by the reports that he handed in a formal transfer request. Liverpool insist that Alonso has handed in a written request, while from Alonso’s end, I am told it was only a verbal petition. I am concerned about Xabi’s state of mind following all of this, although the player has told a colleague of mine, before the player boarded his flight out of Barcelona last night, that he is not letting it affect him: “I am detached from it all,†said Xabi, “tomorrow I’ll be in Norway with the team and if something happens, someone will let me know.â€


I have wondered, since all of this began, how Xabi would respond to an offer from another club if he fails to get his move to the Bernabeu and the matter ends in acrimony. However, for the moment, the Real Madrid move is still a possibility and although there are financial differences between the two parties, the relationships between clubs are still intact.

The verbal sparring that took place throughout the respective media in both countries appears to have ceased and - where there was a friendship and respect before all this began – there remains a healthy relationship. At the moment, there are no further meetings between Real Madrid and Liverpool scheduled, but nor have bridges been burned and despite what has been suggested, Benitez is not averse to dealing with Madrid. As one Liverpool source said: “If Rafa had anything against Madrid, he would have held talks with Barcelona over the transfer of Mascherano – something that has not happened and nor is it going to.â€



http://www.guillembalague.com/rumores_desp.php?titulo=Liverpool%20and%20Madrid%20take%20firm%20stance%20but%20inches%20apart&id=227

(He's well and truly gone over to the dark side, old Ballague. I wonder what's upset the little twit?)
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=33578.msg917529#msg917529 date=1249378045]
I guess that's what the deadline is there for.
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I know that Paddy, but two deadlines have already come and gone
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

I'm surprised they're being so difficult given their spending this summer. Xabi's proven more in the game then Benzema and comes with much less risk.

And after Xabi's "for better or worse" comment, I'm not going to be upset to see him leave.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

Some of what he writes sounds like Alonso's PR:

Unfortunately, caught somewhere in the middle of all this, is Xabi Alonso – and I think that the player feels betrayed by the reports that he handed in a formal transfer request. Liverpool insist that Alonso has handed in a written request, while from Alonso’s end, I am told it was only a verbal petition.
Really? The writers at the Echo are extremely insistent about this - they are adamant he DID submit a transfer request.


Some of it sounds like Alonso's agent:

have wondered, since all of this began, how Xabi would respond to an offer from another club if he fails to get his move to the Bernabeu and the matter ends in acrimony.
Yes, I'm sure you have been awfully vexed over such a possibility. :🙂

And some of it just sounds incoherent:

The verbal sparring that took place throughout the respective media in both countries appears to have ceased and - where there was a friendship and respect before all this began – there remains a healthy relationship.
EH???

The bloke is playing so many of his own games now I hope Benitez completely blanks him from now on.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will PROBABLY NOT stay at Anfield, says Herr Onceared

What in there is him going to the dark side? It's just a shitty article that says nothing.



The article basically seems to be:

A lot of idiots look to me for solid information, despite the fact that I've spent the last few weeks exploring every mealy mouthed way of being kindof wrong on a transfer.

I tell them quite earnestly, "look, I don't know any more than the blatantly obvious", but in many more words so it fills up copy.

Then I instruct them that anything could change, and I make no predictions on what will happen.
 
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