Holgate's homophobic twitter remarks
Looks more like gay banter between a group of gay friends. He wants the D, the smiley face at the end gives it away
The Firmino Holgate incident.
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Looks more like gay banter between a group of gay friends. He wants the D, the smiley face at the end gives it away
If it was puto, what was Holgate mishearing it as ?
For consistencies sake yes, but Andre Gray should never have got banned, it was a farce, Holgate also shouldn't get banned for what he said in the past. I hope this allegation isn't going to make the FA forget about the push, which he 100% should be given a ban for.
Pluto. Obviously.
It's an insult among the kids these days. The next time some scamp is cheeky to you, call him a massive pluto.
Pluto is Mickey Mouses dog. So basically he tought he was called Coutinhos dog. Is there a worse insult today than being a rats dog? No wonder he was furious.
Of course the Gray decision was silly, but it would be all too predictable if Holgate gets off without any punishment for the same thing - and Gray's tweets were all five years old, Holgate's are pretty recent. And if you make an allegation about racism, then you should be punished if the claim turns out to be unfounded. Firminho will get flak from opposing fans even if he is exonerated.
I disagree holgate should be punished if the claim is false. There's no way to knowingly say he's lying. He may have thought he heard that, he may be lying; we'll never know
Punishing someone for reporting what they heard will set back the cause years.
I don't think it's that simple. Holgate should be asked to specify exactly what he thought he heard, and that should then be compared with what Firmino said. If there is no conceivable way in which the latter could have led to the former - as I strongly suspect there won't be, because I reckon the Doc has that bluenose guttersnipe bang to rights on this - the FA should throw the ******* book at Holgate for fabricating the allegation.
No it won't. We need to end this 'you will be believed' culture, where anyone can allege anything and be automatically addressed as 'the victim' while the accused has their reputation undermined, or worse, regardless of whether the allegation is proven or not. It's no good allowing someone to make rash accusations without ANY danger of censure. And it's not 'punishing them for what they heard' if they didn't actually hear it.
You never misheard anyone macca?
It being untrue didn't make it a lie to holgate; he may have legitimately thought he heard that
Sure @Woland told a story of shouting to his Mrs while his black mate was in earshot. Misunderstandings can happen
If there is a blatant disparity then I agree. If it however is similar (which is what I implied), it could be just a misunderstanding
I like the way we had Brewster coming out last week with a positive anti racism message where there is zero evidence to prosecute some of the people he accuses; yet here we are, on the other side of the coin with zero evidence, yet it's appalling holgate can make the claims and should be punished if firmino is cleared. Brewster should have been banned if we follow the same train of thought
This is not me saying Brewster was not racially abused. This is not me saying holgate was.
Funny ol' game
This is not me saying Brewster was not racially abused. This is not me saying holgate was.
Funny ol' game
Oh yes. But I've not gone on to make a public accusation based on that. That's called slander, and I'd expect there to be consequences.
Completely wrong. Other players and coaching staff have confirmed that they heard exactly what he claimed, and those matches for Liverpool are already the subject of club complaints. Keep trying, for whatever perverse reason.
'He called me n*****': Race row rocks football as Everton's Mason Holgate accuses Roberto Firmino of alleged slur
Lip-reader has analysed six clips of the clash during Friday's FA Cup tie at Anfield and revealed what was actually said
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Simon Mullock
Everton defender Mason Holgate has accused Liverpool striker Roberto Firmino of calling him a n***** during Friday night’s explosive Mersey derby.
Holgate’s claims are being investigated by the FA after the England Under-21 international voiced his disgust to referee Bobby Madley.
Sunday Mirror Sport has used a lip reader to look at TV footage of the first-half incident , which erupted when Holgate pushed Firmino over advertising hoardings in front of the Main Stand.
The two players then squared up to each other – and it is then that Holgate claims he was racially abused.
The flashpoint began when Holgate shoved Firmino on the touchline... (Image: Liverpool Echo)
...sending the Brazilian over the hoardings and into the crowd (Image: PA)
Our investigation has revealed that Holgate complained to referee Bobby Madley and team-mates that Firmino had called him the N-word.
But, while the six clips of the incident we used showed that the Brazilian had uttered a curse in his native Portuguese, according to the lip reader, no evidence of racial abuse was found.
The forward returned to the pitch and shouted angrily at the Blues starlet... (Image: Action Images via Reuters)
...who reacted with fury and complained to ref Madley (Image: Liverpool Echo)
Lip reader Tim Reedy said: “Firmino, in retaliation to the push, confronts Holgate, shouting some words at him, to which Holgate does not react.
“Holgate does not compute because Firmino is speaking in Portugese. My findings are that Firmino did not use racist language.
“Instead, he says the words, ‘Es maluco, filho da puta?’, which translates as ‘Are you crazy, you son of a b***h?’. Then Holgate, upon speaking to the referee, thinks that racist language was used and tells the referee, ‘He called me a n****r.’
“It also appears the referee has no idea what Firmino said. When pushed away by a team-mate, Holgate reiterates that he was called a n*****.”
Liverpool and Everton have promised to co-operate fully with the FA investigation, but both clubs are refusing to comment until the outcome of the investigation is known.
And Firmino is facing a huge ban and fine if he is found to have used racist language
Lip-reader has analysed six clips of the clash during Friday's FA Cup tie at Anfield and revealed what was actually said
By
Simon Mullock
Everton defender Mason Holgate has accused Liverpool striker Roberto Firmino of calling him a n***** during Friday night’s explosive Mersey derby.
Holgate’s claims are being investigated by the FA after the England Under-21 international voiced his disgust to referee Bobby Madley.
Sunday Mirror Sport has used a lip reader to look at TV footage of the first-half incident , which erupted when Holgate pushed Firmino over advertising hoardings in front of the Main Stand.
The two players then squared up to each other – and it is then that Holgate claims he was racially abused.
The flashpoint began when Holgate shoved Firmino on the touchline... (Image: Liverpool Echo)
...sending the Brazilian over the hoardings and into the crowd (Image: PA)
Our investigation has revealed that Holgate complained to referee Bobby Madley and team-mates that Firmino had called him the N-word.
But, while the six clips of the incident we used showed that the Brazilian had uttered a curse in his native Portuguese, according to the lip reader, no evidence of racial abuse was found.
The forward returned to the pitch and shouted angrily at the Blues starlet... (Image: Action Images via Reuters)
...who reacted with fury and complained to ref Madley (Image: Liverpool Echo)
Lip reader Tim Reedy said: “Firmino, in retaliation to the push, confronts Holgate, shouting some words at him, to which Holgate does not react.
“Holgate does not compute because Firmino is speaking in Portugese. My findings are that Firmino did not use racist language.
“Instead, he says the words, ‘Es maluco, filho da puta?’, which translates as ‘Are you crazy, you son of a b***h?’. Then Holgate, upon speaking to the referee, thinks that racist language was used and tells the referee, ‘He called me a n****r.’
“It also appears the referee has no idea what Firmino said. When pushed away by a team-mate, Holgate reiterates that he was called a n*****.”
Liverpool and Everton have promised to co-operate fully with the FA investigation, but both clubs are refusing to comment until the outcome of the investigation is known.
And Firmino is facing a huge ban and fine if he is found to have used racist language
You're not fooling anyone Sammy lad!
You seem to not be grasping what I'm saying for some myopic reason, or wilfully ignoring it.
Either way, whatevs
Yes, You'd think so given there wasnt given a yellow or red card.
Yes it can as no card was shown, although i guess it couldve still been in the match report given the afters...
Also welcome back dude.
The non-existent race thing will overshadow the actual shove in the FA's eyes. Actually, that already seems to be the case judging by a lot of the media reaction. I don't think Holgate will get charged.
Hopefully, but I'd imagine that whole thing would be in the match report
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