It was you who brought haaland up you fucking dickhead
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It was you who brought haaland up you fucking dickhead
He is also better than other 3 in that position. I read some stat that Haaland gets twice as many chances as Nunez but that doesn’t mean I’m going to say Nunez is better. Worth persisting with.
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In terms of goals per minute played in the Premier League, Nunez is currently behind :
Haaland, Salah, Son, Watkins, Bowen, Haang, Solanke, Isak, Wilson, Gordon, Jackson, Ferguson, Edouard, Nketiah, Pedro, Bailey, Palmer, Awonyi & Jota.
… and those are just the ones that have scored at least 4 goals in the league this season.
His 4 assists are pretty much masking an otherwise decidedly average goal return.
That’s not to say he’s shit or not playing reasonably well at times - but he’s on target to end up on 12-17 leagues goals which is fair to good.
We need him scoring more - he needs to be converting more of his chances - the more he plays, the worse his goals per minute gets, which is starting to add a bit of weight to the claim he’s better as an impact sub.
If he starts banging them in, we have a real chance of winning something major this season - but if he doesn’t, there’s a real case for playing Gakpo in the 9 position - his goals per games started is good - and given he’s played a fair few games in midfield his goals per minute played isn’t bad a (his goals per minute played across all comps is better than Nunez).
I think there’s a good case to give Gakpo a start against Sheffield Utd through the middle.
Haaland, Salah, Son, Watkins, Bowen, Haang, Solanke, Isak, Wilson, Gordon, Jackson, Ferguson, Edouard, Nketiah, Pedro, Bailey, Palmer, Awonyi & Jota.
… and those are just the ones that have scored at least 4 goals in the league this season.
His 4 assists are pretty much masking an otherwise decidedly average goal return.
That’s not to say he’s shit or not playing reasonably well at times - but he’s on target to end up on 12-17 leagues goals which is fair to good.
We need him scoring more - he needs to be converting more of his chances - the more he plays, the worse his goals per minute gets, which is starting to add a bit of weight to the claim he’s better as an impact sub.
If he starts banging them in, we have a real chance of winning something major this season - but if he doesn’t, there’s a real case for playing Gakpo in the 9 position - his goals per games started is good - and given he’s played a fair few games in midfield his goals per minute played isn’t bad a (his goals per minute played across all comps is better than Nunez).
I think there’s a good case to give Gakpo a start against Sheffield Utd through the middle.
I like Darwin. A lot. If he becomes even a half decent finisher he'll be among the most dangerous attackers in the world.
But he needs to start putting the ball in the net more regularly. And comparisons to Haaland are not, at this point anyway, going to flatter him.
But he needs to start putting the ball in the net more regularly. And comparisons to Haaland are not, at this point anyway, going to flatter him.
It was his endevour which led to us scoring 2 late goals today otherwise we come away with a point & Kelleher has cost us 2 points but thankfully he was there to nod down to Mo who then set up Endo and was there again to beat the defender to the ball to keep the danger alive which 6 seconds later Trent is scoring from.
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I keep forgetting, running about like an offside idiot with the touch of a bag of cement is amazingIt was his endevour which led to us scoring 2 late goals today otherwise we come away with a point & Kelleher has cost us 2 points but thankfully he was there to nod down to Mo who then set up Endo and was there again to beat the defender to the ball to keep the danger alive which 6 seconds later Trent is scoring from.
I think I'm gonna be a "Swede" and say that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
On one hand he's being useful by making runs and occupying their defence.
On the other hand he's a striker and should be scoring more goals, especially considering the chances he's getting.
So he's not at an Andy Carroll level, but he still needs to be better.
I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp starts Gakpo in the next game. Maybe Nunez plays on the left.
On one hand he's being useful by making runs and occupying their defence.
On the other hand he's a striker and should be scoring more goals, especially considering the chances he's getting.
So he's not at an Andy Carroll level, but he still needs to be better.
I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp starts Gakpo in the next game. Maybe Nunez plays on the left.
I think that’s fair Modo.
Binomial has a bit of an issue with Darwin - he might be his mother - he has zero perspective on the issue.
The way I’d look at it is, in the League ONLY, if he scores less than 10, then it’s a poor season, 10-15 goals is ok, 15-20 would be good and 20+ would be when it’s actually appropriate for Binomial to tear the head off it with furious fapping.
If he wants to score 20+ - he has 24 games left - so that’s not happening unless he really hits a rich scoring streak.
At his current rate he’ll score another 11 and land on 15 - which isn’t bad at all, shows definite progress, but is, for me very much at the lower end of what I’d want to see from Darwin.
The worry is, his goals per minute rate is getting worse - he needs some goals - I just compare those 2 goals against Newcastle where he stroked them home with no fuss and little though to him snatching at chances against Fulham and blasting them off target.
Like I said, his assists are pumping up his influence - but they can be deceiving - I think Nunez has an assist for the Harvey shot that went down as an OG earlier in the season - Harvey gets nothing for that, not even an assist. I’d note too that Salah got an assist yesterday for the Endo goal despite being average - make of that what you will.
Binomial has a bit of an issue with Darwin - he might be his mother - he has zero perspective on the issue.
The way I’d look at it is, in the League ONLY, if he scores less than 10, then it’s a poor season, 10-15 goals is ok, 15-20 would be good and 20+ would be when it’s actually appropriate for Binomial to tear the head off it with furious fapping.
If he wants to score 20+ - he has 24 games left - so that’s not happening unless he really hits a rich scoring streak.
At his current rate he’ll score another 11 and land on 15 - which isn’t bad at all, shows definite progress, but is, for me very much at the lower end of what I’d want to see from Darwin.
The worry is, his goals per minute rate is getting worse - he needs some goals - I just compare those 2 goals against Newcastle where he stroked them home with no fuss and little though to him snatching at chances against Fulham and blasting them off target.
Like I said, his assists are pumping up his influence - but they can be deceiving - I think Nunez has an assist for the Harvey shot that went down as an OG earlier in the season - Harvey gets nothing for that, not even an assist. I’d note too that Salah got an assist yesterday for the Endo goal despite being average - make of that what you will.
…and yet the record books will show that Mo had another assist for the umpteenth game in a row.
I suppose the pleasing thing about Mo is he’s the anti-Darwin - not playing well, but still scoring & assisting as opposed to playing reasonably well and delivering very little.
The thing is, I thought Darwin was a bit meh yesterday but he has the "second assist" for both the 3rd and 4th goal last night. So even if he plays a bit poorly and should have scored a goal. He now has improved his all round game to contribute regardless.
I agree that he should have more goals this season but I think they will come. He is the player that has hit the woodwork the most times in the league if I remember correctly, 5 times. The most important thing is to let him continue to play games as the 9 and develop.
Look at how he is playing for Uruguay i e.
Darwin has 7 goals and 6 assists in 20 games so far. He needs to hit 20 goals in all comps or its not a good season, imho.
Yeah l, I get all that and he’d definitely worth persisting with - to a point - and that point is where you start to wonder if Gakpo could deliver the same assists and score more.
“second assist” is stretching it a bit - he’s a forward, he plays in the area of the pitch where we score goals, so he should be getting touches in the lead up to goals.
The question is - when Salah does go - we’re missing a huge chunk of goals and Nunez, even though he has been generally good and certainly very much improved ion last year - doesn’t look like he’s going to suddenly provide the goals.
I’ll tell you what is also a worry - his goals per minutes overall and in the Premier League are actually worse than his first season.
That’s a concern.
That stops being true if we end up saying that every game.
Anyways, yeah, it's in our interests to continue playing him and hope he improves.
I like Gakpo but he's a bit one dimensional and players like that only really work if you have dynamic players / play around them.
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That stings
I'm still optimistic for Nunez. He just needs to sort his hair out and not fuck about with it weekly
Yeah this is fair. I'm seeing more positives than negatives for his role in our attack though.
The only hattricks Carroll was close to getting was post game shots in the bar.
My hope is he has a drogba moment of revelation, and he stops exactly this.
I mean - we all want the same thing - to win the league - and we need someone else along with Mo banging in 15+ goals a season.
Jota likely would, if he could stay fit long enough.
Diaz likely won’t but he should still be getting double figures.
I think Gakpo is underrated - and I disagree with @keniget about him being one dimensional - quite the opposite, I think he works hard and makes things happen for his teammates, has a lovely touch and can hit a ball.
He’s just a bit of a vanilla character that works hard and flies under the radar.
Nunez should be banging them in - and I truly hope he does - his work rate, pressing and link up play has really come on - but his finishing & inconsistency worry me at times - and we need him to score.
I still think Nunez on the left, Gakpo in the centre & Mo on the right could be a really really good - particularly with the likes of Gravy, Slobbers & Mac A in midfield.
Jota likely would, if he could stay fit long enough.
Diaz likely won’t but he should still be getting double figures.
I think Gakpo is underrated - and I disagree with @keniget about him being one dimensional - quite the opposite, I think he works hard and makes things happen for his teammates, has a lovely touch and can hit a ball.
He’s just a bit of a vanilla character that works hard and flies under the radar.
Nunez should be banging them in - and I truly hope he does - his work rate, pressing and link up play has really come on - but his finishing & inconsistency worry me at times - and we need him to score.
I still think Nunez on the left, Gakpo in the centre & Mo on the right could be a really really good - particularly with the likes of Gravy, Slobbers & Mac A in midfield.
Gakpo is a good player, silky, elegance, very smart and all that....but are we really thinking he's the man to get the goals/assists?
He goes missing for too large a spells to ever be that type of player, do people really want to go back to when Nunez was being benched or played out of position for this guy? With Nunez at least you can be sure he's going to make 3-4 chances a game for himself or others, with Gakpo.......
He goes missing for too large a spells to ever be that type of player, do people really want to go back to when Nunez was being benched or played out of position for this guy? With Nunez at least you can be sure he's going to make 3-4 chances a game for himself or others, with Gakpo.......
I’m not sure what you’d like me to say - I think he showed an urgency to drive at Fulham that was missing - he’s regularly scoring when he starts, he’s been our most flexible forward slotting in multiple positions including midfield - he looks like he’s hungry to succeed and has a point to prove.
There nothing more that can be said until he gets a run of games starting.
Was it you that wanted to talk about goals per minutes rather than per games - if it was - Gakpo’s rate is better than Nunez across all games (although not in the League).
I reckon Gakpo gets a start against Shef Utd - then it’s up to him - good performance and there’s a question about whether he gets a run ahead of Nunez for a while.
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