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The Donkey

I'm pretty sure you said the same thing about Gakpo and Diaz too. Yet here we are with one of the best goals scoring records and top of the PL.
Impossible to say if that would have been the case if he didn't start however it seems most want to change a winning team.

What is I’m supposed to have said about Diaz & Gakpo?

I’ve said Diaz has had a poor season so far - which I think is pretty uncontroversial.

I think Gakpo, had he been played through the middle as much as Darwin, would likely have scored more and assisted at least as much - he hasn’t found his form yet either, but I put that down to being played in differs positions.

I don’t know what to tell you - I’ve been an advocate of playing Gakpo through the centre and Darwin on the left for a while and rotating everything with Jota & Diaz in the mix as well.
 
Serious question, when in the last 18 months has he been 'in form'? I don't mean played well for 30 mins, but had a prolonged period where he was consistently performing well. I can't think of one.

Darwin?

Ask @binomial

I think there was a bit last season when Gakpo was playing as a false 9 when him, Nunez & Salah were pretty good for a good few games.
 
Lowlights:



He's clearly affected by those misses. Looks like he's afraid to miss and is just trying to get the shots on goal. Most of his shots are straight at the keeper. Could be a lack of confidence thing.


I definitely think it's a confidence thing, look at Trent going over to him after the Salah goal, they know it's a thing for him and they're all encouraging him telling him he's got it, the teams definitely behind him, and thought it was a good bit of captain material from Trent.
 
I’ve never rated Nunez but for some uncanny reason I’m willing to give him until the end of the season for him to eventually come good.

There’s something in there that’s waiting to be unlocked but he doesn’t seem to know how to.
 
He is wasteful, misses hatful chances but contributes. 16GAs. Man U paid €80m for a pepperoni pizza thats score something like 1 goal in 15 games and no assist
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Mohamed SalahSalah
{/td}

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{td}114{/td}
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Diogo JotaJota
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{td}9{/td}
{td}1{/td}
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{td}0.84{/td}
{td}107{/td}
{td}25{/td}
{td}36%{/td}
{td}60%{/td}
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{td}3{/td}
{td}
Darwin NúñezNúñez
{/td}

{td}8{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}28{/td}
{td}0.47{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}65{/td}
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{td}51%{/td}
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{td}3{/td}
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Cody GakpoGakpo
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{td}8{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}25{/td}
{td}0.54{/td}
{td}167{/td}
{td}33{/td}
{td}24%{/td}
{td}61%{/td}
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{td}5{/td}
{td}
Luis DíazDíaz
{/td}

{td}5{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}24{/td}
{td}0.31{/td}
{td}289{/td}
{td}28{/td}
{td}18%{/td}
{td}50%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6{/td}
{td}
Dominik SzoboszlaiSzoboszlai
{/td}

{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}26{/td}
{td}0.20{/td}
{td}460{/td}
{td}31{/td}
{td}13%{/td}
{td}39%{/td}
{/tr}
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{td}7{/td}
{td}
Curtis JonesJones
{/td}

{td}3{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{td}19{/td}
{td}0.25{/td}
{td}356{/td}
{td}12{/td}
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{td}58%{/td}
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Comparing him to the wank that manure panic bought isn't a great defence of his numbers.

If you're gonna win the league your number 9 would ideally score an average amount of goals per chance, instead of the less than half that this fucking dope manages.
 
On recent history we're just as likely to win the league with our no. 9 underperforming his xG than if he doesn't.
 
He is wasteful, misses hatful chances but contributes. 16GAs. Man U paid €80m for a pepperoni pizza thats score something like 1 goal in 15 games and no assist
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{th}Mins per GoalMPG{/th}
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{th}Goal Conversion{/th}
{th}Shot Accuracy{/th}
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Mohamed SalahSalah
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{td}114{/td}
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{td}2{/td}
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Diogo JotaJota
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{td}9{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}19{/td}
{td}0.84{/td}
{td}107{/td}
{td}25{/td}
{td}36%{/td}
{td}60%{/td}
{/tr}
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{td}3{/td}
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Darwin NúñezNúñez
{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}8{/td}
{td}28{/td}
{td}0.47{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}65{/td}
{td}12%{/td}
{td}51%{/td}
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{td}3{/td}
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Cody GakpoGakpo
{/td}
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{td}2{/td}
{td}25{/td}
{td}0.54{/td}
{td}167{/td}
{td}33{/td}
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{td}5{/td}
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Luis DíazDíaz
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{td}5{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}24{/td}
{td}0.31{/td}
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{td}28{/td}
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{td}50%{/td}
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{td}6{/td}
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Dominik SzoboszlaiSzoboszlai
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{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}26{/td}
{td}0.20{/td}
{td}460{/td}
{td}31{/td}
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{td}39%{/td}
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{td}7{/td}
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Curtis JonesJones
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{td}3{/td}
{td}19{/td}
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[/xtable]
28 goals per 90 is not that bad a return, to be fair
 
Agent of chaos is some seriously cringey teenager shit
That nickname still has me considering paying some Manc kid to provoke Carra into spitting in his face on camera again so Sky fuck him off the telly
 
Another four shots without a goal in Liverpool’s FA Cup win at Arsenal, Darwin Nunez continues to be everything but ruthless. But it is now 17 unbeaten with him in the team. Liverpool’s three defeats this season have come when he has been omitted.
It strikes at the heart of the Nunez conundrum. Conversations about the Uruguayan forward's finishing are unlikely to go away - because Nunez himself is not going away. He has become a hugely important figure for Jurgen Klopp in this new Liverpool side.

Arsenal could not cope with him once he drifted to the left. Newcastle had been overwhelmed by his rampaging runs through the middle. The only person capable of stopping Nunez doing what he wants on the football field remains Nunez himself.

Nunez does not just occupy defenders, he unsettles them. His first one-on-one against Newcastle highlighted that. "He gets the chance because he has got the pace and power," Jamie Carragher told Sky Sports. "If that were Gakpo, he does not even get the chance."

The statistics underline this point. Nunez averages 4.66 shots per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season. He shoots more often than Erling Haaland, more often than anybody else in the competition. It is usually a reliable indicator of who will score goals.
But that link between shots and goals breaks down with Nunez.

skysports-darwin-nunez-liverpool_6412030.jpg


It is not because he is shooting from outlandish locations. It is true that there have been a few too many attempts from outside the box. He even scored from there against Burnley. But the bulk of his efforts have come from close range, where a striker should be.
He has missed big chances, 18 of them. In fact, nobody has missed as many in the Premier League this season. But again, the fact that Haaland is right behind Nunez with 17 big chances missed of his own is an indication that this need not be a big problem.

Klopp understands instinctively that shots tend to bring goals.
He made this point after the Newcastle game.
"As long as Darwin has all these moments that he had today, then it is all fine. I do not know the amount of goals we have scored this season, but it is a lot, and Darwin will score, there is no doubt about it. It is all fine, no one has to worry about Darwin."

So, how much of this is bad luck? Will Nunez regress to the mean?
Some might be encouraged by the fact that his post-shot expected-goals total is better than his expected-goals total. That is to say, statistically, the models would expect him to score even more of his chances based on where the ball went after he kicked or headed it.
This contrasts, for example, with Chelsea's Nicolas Jackson, whose post-shot numbers are down - reflecting the fact that he has failed to hit the target with some of his clearest openings this season. Nunez is hitting the target. But he is hitting the goalkeeper.

Maybe confidence, as much as technique, will make the difference. Finishing is undoubtedly a skill - both Harry Kane and Heung-Min Son outperformed their expected-goals numbers for six consecutive seasons in the Premier League. But others vary considerably.
Liverpool fans will recall the transformation of Nunez's compatriot Luis Suarez at Anfield. His first full season yielded only 11 goals despite an expected-goals total of 17.04. In that memorable 2013/14 campaign, he parlayed 20.55 expected goals into 31.
Nunez need not replicate this to be useful. He has already proven that. But in a title race that could come down to small margins, while others focus on key men absent (Mohamed Salah) and returning (Kevin De Bruyne), an uptick in his finishing could yet be decisive.
 
It's just objectively difficult to score past Premier League goalkeepers, who are all good shot-stoppers, while being chased down by Premier League defenders. Only a few strikers on the planet at any given time have the skill and calmness to place shots in the corners consistently in that situation.

It seems like last season Nunez was missing a lot more, trying to hit a perfect shot into a corner; this season he is probably told just to shoot on target with power, but so far he had no luck with it; nothing got deflected past the goalkeeper or trickled in. He will keep trying and maybe, hopefully, eventually figure out what works for him.
 
It's just objectively difficult to score past Premier League goalkeepers, who are all good shot-stoppers, while being chased down by Premier League defenders. Only a few strikers on the planet at any given time have the skill and calmness to place shots in the corners consistently in that situation.

It seems like last season Nunez was missing a lot more, trying to hit a perfect shot into a corner; this season he is probably told just to shoot on target with power, but so far he had no luck with it; nothing got deflected past the goalkeeper or trickled in. He will keep trying and maybe, hopefully, eventually figure out what works for him.
Was going to start a thread on what Fowler said in that interview with Jordan.
He said it always pissed him off to be called a natural finisher by people he’d meet. He says it’s because he practiced more than anybody, whether it be near his house or after practice, with both his feet and his head. If he hadn’t have done the extra work he feels he’d never have been as good at scoring those goals.
While true, I also think it does his talent disservice. You can practice all you want but you also need that mental capacity to stay calm in those situations, and people like Fowler and Owen had that. The arrogance to do it, along with the hours of repetitive training.
Does Darwin have that in him? Hope so, but not too sure..
 
I don't expect him to be a lethal scorer. He's just involved in so much for us though.
Scored two today and helped set up another.
He's got my unconditional support.
 
Another four shots without a goal in Liverpool’s FA Cup win at Arsenal, Darwin Nunez continues to be everything but ruthless. But it is now 17 unbeaten with him in the team. Liverpool’s three defeats this season have come when he has been omitted.
It strikes at the heart of the Nunez conundrum. Conversations about the Uruguayan forward's finishing are unlikely to go away - because Nunez himself is not going away. He has become a hugely important figure for Jurgen Klopp in this new Liverpool side.

Arsenal could not cope with him once he drifted to the left. Newcastle had been overwhelmed by his rampaging runs through the middle. The only person capable of stopping Nunez doing what he wants on the football field remains Nunez himself.

Nunez does not just occupy defenders, he unsettles them. His first one-on-one against Newcastle highlighted that. "He gets the chance because he has got the pace and power," Jamie Carragher told Sky Sports. "If that were Gakpo, he does not even get the chance."

The statistics underline this point. Nunez averages 4.66 shots per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season. He shoots more often than Erling Haaland, more often than anybody else in the competition. It is usually a reliable indicator of who will score goals.
But that link between shots and goals breaks down with Nunez.

skysports-darwin-nunez-liverpool_6412030.jpg


It is not because he is shooting from outlandish locations. It is true that there have been a few too many attempts from outside the box. He even scored from there against Burnley. But the bulk of his efforts have come from close range, where a striker should be.
He has missed big chances, 18 of them. In fact, nobody has missed as many in the Premier League this season. But again, the fact that Haaland is right behind Nunez with 17 big chances missed of his own is an indication that this need not be a big problem.

Klopp understands instinctively that shots tend to bring goals.
He made this point after the Newcastle game.
"As long as Darwin has all these moments that he had today, then it is all fine. I do not know the amount of goals we have scored this season, but it is a lot, and Darwin will score, there is no doubt about it. It is all fine, no one has to worry about Darwin."

So, how much of this is bad luck? Will Nunez regress to the mean?
Some might be encouraged by the fact that his post-shot expected-goals total is better than his expected-goals total. That is to say, statistically, the models would expect him to score even more of his chances based on where the ball went after he kicked or headed it.
This contrasts, for example, with Chelsea's Nicolas Jackson, whose post-shot numbers are down - reflecting the fact that he has failed to hit the target with some of his clearest openings this season. Nunez is hitting the target. But he is hitting the goalkeeper.

Maybe confidence, as much as technique, will make the difference. Finishing is undoubtedly a skill - both Harry Kane and Heung-Min Son outperformed their expected-goals numbers for six consecutive seasons in the Premier League. But others vary considerably.
Liverpool fans will recall the transformation of Nunez's compatriot Luis Suarez at Anfield. His first full season yielded only 11 goals despite an expected-goals total of 17.04. In that memorable 2013/14 campaign, he parlayed 20.55 expected goals into 31.
Nunez need not replicate this to be useful. He has already proven that. But in a title race that could come down to small margins, while others focus on key men absent (Mohamed Salah) and returning (Kevin De Bruyne), an uptick in his finishing could yet be decisive.

I quite happy to let folks debate his goal record ad nauseum, but as highlighted above, all that matter is that when he plays, we play better.
 
That brace will do him so well, i think he’ll be much more relaxed next couple of league games which can only work in our favour.

It’s Chelsea & Arsenal i feel sorry for now.
 
At the start of the season I told @StevieM he would get 30 GAs if he was given game time. Can't believe someone saying we would make a loss if we sold him today
 
That finish for the 2nd goal was a bit strange - he let it bounce off a wrong part of his foot almost like he tried to miss it on purpose and it flew in off the post.

Maybe he’s taking lessons from Jota in shithouse goalscoring 🙂
 
That finish for the 2nd goal was a bit strange - he let it bounce off a wrong part of his foot almost like he tried to miss it on purpose and it flew in off the post.

Maybe he’s taking lessons from Jota in shithouse goalscoring 🙂

Whatever works for him - now he needs to go on a little run of scoring - it’ll do the world of good for his confidence and our season.
 
Whatever works for him - now he needs to go on a little run of scoring - it’ll do the world of good for his confidence and our season.
Darwin's never lacked confidence, I think the issue is when he plays with Mo, he don't know if he should take the shot or pass to Mo, and secondly half his misses are due to him being hot headed for most of games, sometimes his own intensity and aggression needs to be lowered so that he can have that 'moment' to take his shot clinically. He's like a Mig-25, so fast in its original designs that it would actually burn itself up, that is his problem. In yesterday's game if you looked at his expression, there was a sense of calm about his game, noticed it during the corner's he was not being aggressive and trying to get into the their defenders - rather more focused.
 
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