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THE ASHES... 2009

Two out of three, I'd give Bopara one more chance.

He has seemed a little overawed by proceedings thus far, I'd give him one more crack with the pressure off a little. He clearly has quality.

As I have said, I am a fan of Bell, Rafa4pm alludes to his record against the Aussies, lest we forget that Bell is used to a diet of McGrath and Warne, I think he is technically gifted and could be a valuable asset.
 
Bopara is a talented batsmen ... but no way in hell is he a no. 3 !!!

He is no where near the likes of Jacques Kallis, Ricky Ponting, and Rahul Dravid.

Bell - he has the temperament of a no. 3 - but I'm not sure how likely it is he will be called up?

Australia are now paying the price for not giving youth a chance during the glory years.

There is far too much pressure on Johnson and Hughes to step up and do the business in their first Ashes..... and the likes of Warner (an explosive batsmen, great talent) is no where near the Test squad after his brief stint.
 
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD



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Just highlights what a great performance it really was, I had no idea Freddie was also carrying a massive back injury.
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He's fucking nailed that laning to be fair
 
I might be really wrong here, but on the shitty stream I was watching it looked like Freddie and the batsman were having a few words you know the kind of friendly banters cricketers do, it may have helped in his over the top celebrations.

You might have been a bit irked by his celebrations but he bowled brilliantly today, and throughout the test, with a couple of injuries in his last test at Lords, he fully deserves his applause and can celebrate how the frick he wants.

I missed the last wicket, but when it went the commentator on radio4 longwave said 'this is the first time England have won in*whatever* years, back then the average house cost £515'
What a random bit of information that was.
 
I'm with Rafa4PM on Bell, who I think has the talent but whose international form is too streaky for my liking. Denley's a decent shout actually, but I'd give Bopara another go - he hasn't done himself justice so far, but I'd be more confident about him coming good for England than I would about Bell.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33622.msg909010#msg909010 date=1248094306]
Changes for the 3rd test?
Im going to go with-
Onions out for Harmison
Bopara out for Bell.

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I'd be happy with that, although if they're all fit I think the selectors will go with an unchanged side.

I'm glad there's a break between tests now. Hopefully the out of touch batters can sort themselves out. Edgbaston next isn't it?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33622.msg909010#msg909010 date=1248094306]
Changes for the 3rd test?
Im going to go with-
Onions out for Harmison
Bopara out for Bell.

Siddle out for Lee.

England may have a tendancy to stick with the team that just won at Lords but for me that would be a mistake. Australia MUST bring lee back hes a big time player. Hauritz and Hilf are safe and doing a good job and i really cant see johnson being canned just yet even tho the pressure of the Ashes seem to be affecting him and Bopara more than anyone. So siddle must be in trouble.

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I think if England had have lost that second test, then they'd definitely have made those changes. It's gonna be interesting to see if they replace a winning side, but yeah there's definitely merit in bringing in Harmison and Bell.

As for Australia; well a lot will depend on their scratch match against Northampton. I suspect Mitchell Johnson will be told to play in it, and find some form quickly otherwise his place is under serious threat. Siddle's performed well, and his numbers aren't bad, but Australia can't afford to let England's two openers get away to such an easy start next tiem, hence the probably inclusion of Lee to rough 'em up a bit.

Aside from that, Hughes is the only one to have two bad games in a row, but they only brought two openers as part of their party, so he'll play at Edgbaston.
 
Hughes has looked far too easy to intimidate thus far, which leaves big question marks over whether he has the temperament for such a heated clash.
 
Brett Lee's just been on the radio and claimed he's "highly unlikely" to be fit for the 3rd Test.
 
I don't think England will make any changes... why change a winning team?

The only change I could see is Harmison for Onions.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33622.msg909010#msg909010 date=1248094306]
Changes for the 3rd test?
Im going to go with-
Onions out for Harmison
Bopara out for Bell.

Siddle out for Lee.

England may have a tendancy to stick with the team that just won at Lords but for me that would be a mistake. Australia MUST bring lee back hes a big time player. Hauritz and Hilf are safe and doing a good job and i really cant see johnson being canned just yet even tho the pressure of the Ashes seem to be affecting him and Bopara more than anyone. So siddle must be in trouble.

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I think the aussies will bring clark and lee in if they can, maybe even Watson

We should not change our team. Harmy has not got the greatest record at edgbaston as it does favour the swinging ball.

Onions bowled better than broad who bowled too short. Onions is the form man on the county circuit and deserves another game after his great debut for England against windies

Harmy would obviously suit Headingley

Shame Sidebottom is not fit he is superb IMO
 
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Brett Lee's just been on the radio and claimed he's "highly unlikely" to be fit for the 3rd Test.
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Very good news.
 
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KP is out of the next 3 Ashes Tests.
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fuckkkkkkk.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33622.msg909426#msg909426 date=1248158879]
Brett Lee's just been on the radio and claimed he's "highly unlikely" to be fit for the 3rd Test.
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Very good news.

good.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33622.msg910328#msg910328 date=1248271006]
KP is out of the next 3 Ashes Tests.
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Bollocks.
 
Even more bad news - Bell is predicted to replace Pietersen.

Bell's had plenty of chances - I'd rather see someone else like Owais Shah given a go.

Even Mark Ramprakash - he was always a bundle of nerves playing for England, but he still scores loads of runs in the county matches.
 
Shah is woeful at test cricket, he's slower than Kaitich and Colly. Bell is hardly any better mind you. I'd rather Key was given a crack at the whip.
 
Bell plays elegant, textbook shots, but the problem is that when he does so, his stumps are usually cartwheeling behind him! :🙂
 
Keys' face doesn't fit with the powers that be. He'd be a much better pick than Bell who isn't capable at test level.
 
Apparently Key fell out with the powers-that-be when he was taken to the World Cup and didn't play a game.

Bell is the obvious choice, and will probably get the gig. He's technically brilliant, and has just about every shot in the game. That said, doesn't he have an average of something horrible like 15 against Australia?

Mind you, that was when he was facing Warne, McGrath et al. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Bopara away from Number 3 though, just to take a little pressure off him.
 
Bell has an overall average of just 25, with half a dozen 50s but no centuries, in 20 tests or so. If they fetch him in, he needs to bat down the order (his scores at no.5 or so are far better than those further up the order). If the selectors are going to maintain some kind of vendetta against Key, I'd sooner see someone like McGrath given a chance.
 
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Alot has been written about what the Australians must do if they are to claw their way back into the Ashes. Surprisingly, nobody has so far identified swearing as a key area. Clearly, people are forgetting what the former Australia Test batsman Dirk Wellham had to say on the topic. This being a family newspaper I can't offload Dirk's full and considered view in my first few paragraphs for fear that kiddies may read it, the prevailing feeling being that schoolchildren these days have such a short attention span that they won't get beyond the first half-dozen sentences unless they come across the words nipple, zombies or Bruno. So now we're stuck with them for a while yet.

To fill in then before the young ones peel off in search of Pamela Stephenson's sexual advice column and we can get back to Dirk in all his glory, let us consider Brett Lee whose absence through injury has preyed on the minds of the visitors. When the New South Wales paceman was a youngster Dennis Lillee coached him in the art of bowling. And the 32-year-old clearly attacked the task with the same exuberant relish that David Pleat brings to his thrilling improvisations on the theme of Jose Bosingwa. Because he does a more or less inch-perfect rendition of the old DKL war-dance appeal that sees the paceman whirling round, arms in the air and knees wide apart before sinking slowly into an unsteady crouch like a man perching above a toilet of dubious cleanliness.

Despite this excellent mimicry it is fair to say that Lee is no Lillee. He is quick, he is hostile, but the plain fact of the matter is that he is just not hairy enough. His mentor had a chest like a hotel doormat. You could have brushed barnacles off a tramp steamer's hull with his moustache. The man literally bristled. Lee by contrast is clean-shaven and clean-cut. When Lillee bared his teeth flocks of crows flew into the air cawing demonically and mothers hurried their children indoors. When Lee snarls he looks like the office junior from accounts reaching for the high notes during a karaoke rendition of I Want To Know What Love Is.

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Don't get me wrong, Lee seems a nice and amiable lad and is doubtless popular with mums, it's just I'm not sure if that's what you really want from a strike bowler. Fast bowlers need to be crazed and angry. Bob Willis steamed in with such a wild and psychotic look that the fact the embodiment of evil in Twin Peaks shared the same first name was surely no coincidence. I bet David Lynch saw the highlights from Headingley and yelled: "Screw Dennis Hopper! That's the madness I'm looking for!"

The hairiness is the main thing, though. And it's not just Lee. The whole Australian team are Beckhamesque. Before the series quite a few pundits claimed that Peter Siddle "reminds me a lot of Merv Hughes". Now you have to ask "In what sense?" because, unlike Merv, Siddle doesn't look anything like a Victorian strongman. Try picturing him in a leopardskin leotard, if you don't believe me.

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Hairiness has been a key component of Australian cricket success since the days of the Chappell brothers. Admittedly, Steve Waugh didn't have a moustache, but you felt that he could have grown a grizzled Zapata in a matter of minutes if he'd wanted to. He'd just have had to concentrate his mind and a bushy caterpillar of brush would have popped up on his top lip and thickened like one of those speeded-up nature films that show us how flowers work. You might wonder if facial hair can really make a difference. But didn't the great and wise Mike Brearley grow a beard before leading England to Australia in 1979 specifically for its psychological impact?

I'd have to say Ricky Ponting's gum chewing has hardly been of the highest calibre either. Previous Australian captains have really worked on that gum, either viciously chomping it as if it was Ian Botham's face, or giving it a big, thoughtful roll around the mouth to create the impression that a cunning plan was coming together. Ponting's chewing in the first two Tests has been very lacklustre and absent-minded, with the slight air of somebody who is just wondering how long they have to keep going after the taste of the sugary coating has worn off before they can surreptitiously tuck the stuff away under the nearest window ledge.

Anyway if this arcane waffle hasn't shaken the kids off by now, then I think they deserve a reward. So to Dirk Wellham, state captain, Test centurion (and moustache sporter), turned schoolteacher and thinker. Writing of Allan Border's captaincy technique a few years ago, Wellham described the central place the word "fucking" played in forging a formidable Aussie team, observing: "[The] reliance on strong, decisive, male, independent players is symbolic of 'fucking', and the absence of collective psychology. Paradoxically, fucking can also be a group, sharing arrangement, of mateship."

To be honest, I am not quite sure what Dirk is driving at here, but it seems to me his advice to Ponting would be: use more expletives and cut out the occasional net practice in favour of an orgy. Over to you, Punter.
 
"The same exuberant relish that David Pleat brings to his thrilling improvisations on the theme of Jose Bosingwa". Classic. ;D
 
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