'That Divok Banner'

[MaBigTip]

It's racist in so far as he is black and he lives his life like he has a massove cock. Just strolling in all happy go lucky believing in Jesus, continues to win game after game with late clutch goals, scores 2 against Barca in his only real start of note to become a legend and lif no. 6 with LFC at 24. TheCock is in Divock's name. Its vulgar but a bit funny, unecessary at a stadium or around kids.

The poster is a simple photoshop from the joke picture sent around pre world cup 2018, hot from girls in different countries were sent along with one of a big black dicked Senegalese man. Dirty English co-workers.

 

[StevieM]

He’s no Igor Biscan.

 

[Woland]

He seems bothered

 

[Insignificance]

It is first and foremost stupid. Ass/nudie humor at its worst as it puts the club in bad light.

However, imidiately jumping to a racist case is stretching it far. I know the racism has been terrible in football over the years and by that I mean real bad. This is not an example of that. Monkey chants, bananas etc is a real problem however. This has not a racial intentions so lower the shoulders, breath through the stomach and see it for what it is.

We should be careful to use a well deserved focus at racism within football to inteprete everything happening as racism. This can also be taken into the LS vs PE discussion. Neither Evra nor Divock should walk around acting victims of real racism. It is patethic if one of them took the role of racial abused victim for either a stupid banner or a not intentional remark in a heated exchange where yourself is pretty much involved with bad words. Both are overprivileged guys who is no victims for real racism. Fortunately one of them seem to carry his role with dignity where the other scream out the N word himself before scream victim as it suits him. The society has enough racistic problems if not these overprivilieged guys should take on the victim role. Fuck that. It is abysmal. PE is not a rolemodel to sit on his high stick and predict to people on how to behave. He is not a role modell for people being victims for racism. The world is not less racist place due to people like him, probably the contrary.

So we all have to fight racism in daily life. It is a deserved focus on it but let us not get hysterical. Normal polite behaviour is a good start. It is like climate discussion these days. We acknowledge we have to adjust and do something, but stop screaming loud for gods sake. We can't change everything in one day. Understand people's intention is a good start and stop interpreting whatever happen in worst meaning.

 

[Insignificance]

It's racist in so far as he is black and he lives his life like he has a massove cock. Just strolling in all happy go lucky believing in Jesus, continues to win game after game with late clutch goals, scores 2 against Barca in his only real start of note to become a legend and lif no. 6 with LFC at 24. TheCock is in Divock's name. Its vulgar but a bit funny, unecessary at a stadium or around kids.

The poster is a simple photoshop from the joke picture sent around pre world cup 2018, hot from girls in different countries were sent along with one of a big black dicked Senegalese man. Dirty English co-workers.

In worst meaning your nickname could be interpreted racistic.

 

[Silver Sean]

It's quite obviously racial stereotyping.

Some might wonder if perhaps it's accurate - there are certainly statistics that show ethnic and geographic differences in penis size (sorry Japan) - and I'm sure there will be some who say "well, it's a compliment isn't it?" but again, that's dangerous territory.

Because if you start accepting positive stereotypes - them Kenyans are good at running, eh? - which are demonstrably true, then you open the door to musings about the negative stereotypes, and that gets awkward and a bit "No! NOT THOSE STATISTICS" and possibly a bit KKK pointy hat, alt-right Master Race eugenics.

So all in all, best not, eh?

And yeah, it isn't appropriate anyway, kids where watching and also in the crowd, so it was fucking stupid and sarcastic "well done"'s to everyone involved.

I've seen enough porn to know that racial stereotypes about cock size do stand up (fnaar)

 

[Hyena]

I was going to say it's not racist, just a play on his name, because otherwise the poster would have been about our other black players like Matip....

 

[tombrown]

Does anyone honestly think that if Divock was white he would get the same nickname & banner?

 

[Woland]

The fact that he's posted a pic of himself as that dude, after the meme had been going round whatsapp for a month, means that at the very least he likes it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't offend other people. This is too complicated, I'm out

 

[MaBigTip]

I was going to say it's not racist, just a play on his name, because otherwise the poster would have been about our other black players like Matip....

its not really about Matip 😉

This humour has been ingrained into society.

 

[Woland]

Ngog had the tucked his cock into his sock song and I thought that was dead funny, but it was before social media and people kicking off, so maybe that was out of line too. I dunno.

 

[tombrown]

Tony Evans, in his column, said that even Barnes' nickname was problematic ... obviously it was after the Dallas character, but he maintains the obvious rhyme was implicit when it was used.

 

[Hyena]

At the risk of inviting all sorts of aspersions, I'm going to say he just looks like the sort who has a big cock.

You know the kind. Everyone has a mate like that.

 

[dantes]

The fact that he's posted a pic of himself as that dude, after the meme had been going round whatsapp for a month, means that at the very least he likes it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't offend other people. This is too complicated, I'm out

Let me simplify it for you. Divock is looking at anything up to an eight-match ban for posting that picture.

 

[manwithnoname]

At the risk of inviting all sorts of aspersions, I'm going to say he just looks like the sort who has a big cock.

You know the kind. Everyone has a mate like that.

What, black?

 

[Delinquent]

Yet it's okay for a load of fat unathletic people to talk about football

That's a mindblowingly daft comparison, Ross. And your suggestion earlier in the thread that people are simply 'overthinking' things was no better. You're basically giving yourself a free pass to be ignorant.

This is one of the main characteristics of modern racism, which I've mentioned before. That is, (usually white) people who are so confident in their own virtuousness and open-mindedness, that they couldn't possibly entertain the idea that something they've said (or condoned, in this case) could be offensive. It's far easier to dismiss offendees as overly sensitive or seeking out offence, than it is to try to empathise with them and understand their experience.

 

[Rosco]

That's a mindblowingly daft comparison, Ross. And your suggestion earlier in the thread that people are simply 'overthinking' things was no better. You're basically giving yourself a free pass to be ignorant.

This is one of the main characteristics of modern racism, which I've mentioned before. That is, (usually white) people who are so confident in their own virtuousness and open-mindedness, that they couldn't possibly entertain the idea that something they've said (or condoned, in this case) could be offensive. It's far easier to dismiss offendees as overly sensitive or seeking out offence, than it is to try to empathise with them and understand their experience.

Is Divock offended ?

Or is it load of white people trying to show how virtuous they are ?

 

[Skullflower]

What if divock doesn't mind but hyena's black mate does? Where do us whites then stand in the discussion?

 

[Farkmaster]

Can we at least agree it's a shit banner that has no wit of any kind? It's the banner equivalent of a shit post. It's shitty memes from reddit invading the terraces. What's next? A nauseating sense of overriding positivity? It's a slippery giant black cock.

 

[Hyena]

No . That mate that stands around smiling like an idiot all the time... Worst player ever.

Then, somehow, after the rest of you have tried all night but failed, he SCORES, winning the biggest catch there is.

And everyone around thinks "what a jammy flukey, bastardluck son of a bitch" but deep down you, and the rest off your mates k ow, it's because Divock has a big cock.

 

[Delinquent]

Is Divock offended ?

Or is it load of white people trying to show how virtuous they are ?

It isn't just the recipient of a comment (or banner in this case) who can be offended by something. This was a banner held aloft at a televised football match, which uses a racial stereotype. Are you honestly trying to argue that it can only be considered offensive if Divock deems it so?

It's like I said, Ross. It's preferable for you to dismiss things, as it means you don't have to engage with anything, or ask any difficult questions of yourself.

For what it's worth, I don't care whether you think I'm a sanctimonious twat. My wife happens to be brown (and was also a student of post-colonialism), so I've had my eyes opened to a few things, including my own unconscious biases. I've witnessed how racism operates, often very subtly, and understand the affect that a lifetime of that has on a person's psyche. And I think it's worthwhile trying to educate ourselves so that we can avoid perpetuating that, if at all possible.

But by all means carry on excusing racist behaviour if it makes your life easier.

 

[manwithnoname]

Imagine having to marry someone non-white in order to realise you're a racist

 

[Rosco]

It isn't just the recipient of a comment (or banner in this case) who can be offended by something. This was a banner held aloft at a televised football match, which uses a racial stereotype. Are you honestly trying to argue that it can only be considered offensive if Divock deems it so?

It's like I said, Ross. It's preferable for you to dismiss things, as it means you don't have to engage with anything, or ask any difficult questions of yourself.

For what it's worth, I don't care whether you think I'm a sanctimonious twat. My wife happens to be brown (and was also a student of post-colonialism), so I've had my eyes opened to a few things, including my own unconscious biases. I've witnessed how racism operates, often very subtly, and understand the affect that a lifetime of that has on a person's psyche. And I think it's worthwhile trying to educate ourselves so that we can avoid perpetuating that, if at all possible.

But by all means carry on excusing racist behaviour if it makes your life easier.

So you're offended by a big black cock then ?

How so ?

Is context not important ?

Have any of those who are alleged to be offended considered the context ?

Because to me this is top class virtue signalling. Oh look a mention of race = automatically racist, without actually considering the situation.

This while big cock Divock thing came about following his brilliant run of form last year and his game breaking goals. It was all clutch , to borrow the American phrase.

Someone who is clutch is often referred to as ballsy , having cojones etc etc ... in the NBA Sam Cassells used to do the big balls dance after making important shots.

Balls doesn't rhyme Divock Origi , so in light of his clutch performances he became big cock Divock.

It was never suggesting he was a primitive being or even suggesting he was inferior in any way (check the definition of racism at this point).

It was out of respect and admiration for ballsy performances that the nickname arose. For that reason to suggest it is racist you have to ignore the definition of racism.

But then having a brown wife seems to make you the expert, maybe the definition has changed and something doesn't even have to imply that someone is inferior for it to be racist. I haven't seen any change of that nature, but that's what the professionally offended seem to work off.

 

[Brizzle]

Imagine having to marry someone non-white in order to realise you're a racist

Del was on here the other month essentially suggesting that every white person who hasn't 'confessed' to having had racist thoughts or behaved in such a manner is lying to themselves and therefore can't talk on the matter... or something like that.

 

[Delinquent]

Imagine having to marry someone non-white in order to realise you're a racist

Most people never have to face up to their own prejudices, because they only associate with (and indeed marry) people who reinforce them.

 

[manwithnoname]

Del was on here the other month essentially suggesting that every white person who hasn't 'confessed' to having had racist thoughts or behaved in such a manner is lying to themselves and therefore can't talk on the matter... or something like that.

Oh yeah, he used the words "white fragility" unironically, which is quite funny

 

[manwithnoname]

Most people never have to face up to their own prejudices, because they only associate with (and indeed marry) people who reinforce them.

Right so....er, now my wife's a racist? Or is it Rosco's?

Or maybe just everyone white, who marries someone else white, is essentially propagating racism*

*overt, unconscious, or otherwise

Some Big Brain thinkin' going on here, Del!

 

[Delinquent]

Del was on here the other month essentially suggesting that every white person who hasn't 'confessed' to having had racist thoughts or behaved in such a manner is lying to themselves and therefore can't talk on the matter... or something like that.

Not quite. I simply called you out for a lapse in judgement, that's all. In fact, I was essentially making a similar point to the one Peatcheo made earlier in this thread:

Not sure it's up to a load of white fellas to decide whether it is racist or not to be honest with you, lads.

Congratulations on taking it in good spirit, though.

 

[SummerOnions]

That meme only worked when you clicked on what was supposed to be a normal image and turned out to have a massive dong innit when enlarged. Therefore the banner is irresponsibly shit because it ruins the surprise. They should have made the stewards pull it open or something

 

[manwithnoname]

My God, has Delinquent always been this much of a smug, insufferable, yet-not-actually-very clever or self-aware, cunt?

It's....it's fucking brilliant!

He should deffo post more. It's like someone who has just discovered Reddit.