Tevez - too depressed to return

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426419#msg1426419 date=1321374774]
If he is depressed, then no amount of money actually solves it.

Speaking as someone who suffers from depression, if he genuinely is suffering from depression, and some of his behaviours are symptomatic of it, then he deserves an element of sympathy. If he is using it as an excuse, then he has my complete contempt.

But we should do well to remember that depression does not discriminate based on someone's intelligence, status or wage packet.
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you suffer from depression, spion? sorry to hear that, supporting liverpool can't be helpful in this regard.

 

[FoxForceFive]

If Tevez were playing in Carroll's place for us so far this season, I reckon we'd be in second place a couple of points behind myself.

That'd make up for his cuntishness. Unsure whether Kenny would see it like that though.

 

[bkwitche2]

Tevez - too depressed to return

Funny he's so depressed. Wasn't it just last week his agent was saying how settled he was in England now and would welcome a move to another English club?

 

[Squiggles]

If I looked like him, I'd be depressed too.

If I was as much as a bellend as him, I'd be depressed too.

I hope he's depressed. The ugly bellend.

 

[5Times]

As much as I'd love him on a 6month loaner, it's never going to happen, for several obvious reasons.

To sum this thread up, he's a childish, talented twat.

 

[Wizardry]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47530.msg1426481#msg1426481 date=1321385094]
If Tevez were playing in Carroll's place for us so far this season, I reckon we'd be in second place a couple of points behind myself.

That'd make up for his cuntishness. Unsure whether Kenny would see it like that though.
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I like people who are confident in their own abilities. 🙂

 

[Rosco]

Carlos Tevez could have his £198,000-a-week contract suspended by Manchester City if he remains in Argentina and fails to explain his unauthorised absence from the club.

The 27-year-old, who was photographed playing golf at the weekend with leading Argentinian golfer Andres Romero, has been absent without leave for more than a week after flying to Buenos Aires on November 7.

And although talks between senior figures at City and Tevez's representatives are continuing, Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has admitted that the club would be within their rights to suspend his contract until the player offers a full explanation.

"If he is not coming back, the club can suspend his contract while there is a proper inquiry," said Taylor.

"There are all sorts of options and I hope it doesn't end up in the courts, but he is high-profile. We will have to abide by the rules. But he needs to get back to his club to get himself fit, make up with the manager and then, if he does leave in January, depart not leaving a bitter taste among supporters."

Reports in Argentina of Tevez sending a medical certificate to City stating his inability to return remain unconfirmed by the club and by his representatives.

But Taylor admits that he is becoming concerned. "He needs to be playing," Taylor said. "I think it's time now to try to get his mindset changed to a better place. I'm worrying about him now because it's a self-destruct pattern."

 

[Spionkop69]

The total lack of understanding of depression in this thread, its causes and also its consequences are to be frank, quite shocking.

Wonderfully glib comments that help maintain the stigma of mental illness, when in fact hundreds of millions of people are suffering from this around the world. It might be too simplistic for some of you to understand but in the hope that some of you get it - just because he earns hundreds of thousands of pounds a month to play a game we all love, does not leave him immune from depression.

He may well be a cunt, but if he is suffering from depression, then its not something I'd wish on anyone. But carry on and mock away.

 

[the count]

I know Spion that you have someone who has suffered with depression and so it is understandable that you would be sensitive to this issue.
I think that most people in the thread are in fact doubting Tevez rather than the illness that is depression, as it just seems like another in a long line of excuses used by Carlos.
In fact is if is another feeble excuse, with out having any basis in reality, then he is the worst culprit in the whole matter,with his denigration of the seriousness of depression.

If he is truly depressed then of course he deserves understanding and sympathy, though as with any other illness, he will have any levels of sympathy for him watered down by the fact that he is an appears to be a bona fide cunt.

I am sure that these boards pretty much reflect the general ignorance towards depression, and I include myself in the largely ignorant group, though I wouldn't necessarily assume that posters being insensitive to Tevev's current plight reflects a general lack of sympathy, empathy and desire to learn more about the illness.

 

[themn]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426672#msg1426672 date=1321435162]
The total lack of understanding of depression in this thread, its causes and also its consequences are to be frank, quite shocking.

Wonderfully glib comments that help maintain the stigma of mental illness, when in fact hundreds of millions of people are suffering from this around the world. It might be too simplistic for some of you to understand but in the hope that some of you get it - just because he earns hundreds of thousands of pounds a month to play a game we all love, does not leave him immune from depression.

He may well be a cunt, but if he is suffering from depression, then its not something I'd wish on anyone. But carry on and mock away.
[/quote]

Very well said, sir.

 

[Woland]

Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426419#msg1426419 date=1321374774]
If he is depressed, then no amount of money actually solves it.

Speaking as someone who suffers from depression, if he genuinely is suffering from depression, and some of his behaviours are symptomatic of it, then he deserves an element of sympathy. If he is using it as an excuse, then he has my complete contempt.

But we should do well to remember that depression does not discriminate based on someone's intelligence, status or wage packet.
[/quote]

Just seen this and would like to offer my sympathy and admiration for your reference to it. Having helped (along with others) a good friend through a bout of depression when the girl he thought he was going to marry ditched him, I've seen what damage it can do.

It occurs to me that Tevez' mental state may be fuzzy enough for him to think he's depressed when actually he's more confused than anything. A number of people have said that they used to like Tevez before all this started, not least because they wouldn't have seen him as someone who they'd have expected to behave like this. I'd agree with that, and the whole thing makes me wonder how much is down to Joorabchian messing with Tevez' (probably not overstocked) head. I think back to Stevie G's turmoil when Chavski (and ? his own agent) were trying to push him in the direction of Stamford Bridge, and more recently to Torres' own evident confusion and regret at having actually made that move.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=the count link=topic=47530.msg1426685#msg1426685 date=1321436959]
I know Spion that you have someone who has suffered with depression and so it is understandable that you would be sensitive to this issue.
I think that most people in the thread are in fact doubting Tevez rather than the illness that is depression, as it just seems like another in a long line of excuses used by Carlos.
In fact is if is another feeble excuse, with out having any basis in reality, then he is the worst culprit in the whole matter,with his denigration of the seriousness of depression.

If he is truly depressed then of course he deserves understanding and sympathy, though as with any other illness, he will have any levels of sympathy for him watered down by the fact that he is an appears to be a bona fide cunt.

I am sure that these boards pretty much reflect the general ignorance towards depression, and I include myself in the largely ignorant group, though I wouldn't necessarily assume that posters being insensitive to Tevev's current plight reflects a general lack of sympathy, empathy and desire to learn more about the illness.
[/quote]

I am no expert on the subject myself. My father has suffered from depression for years and whilst it does not excuse his behaviours it actually starts to explain them. I was recently diagnosed as suffering from depression. I think I've know for some years but have never faced up to it. Those of you who have met me will (hopefully!!) think I am a normal individual and not someone who walks around with a sour look on his face and bangs his head on his padded cell.

His long list of excuses could be due to depression and his lack of awareness of this.

I agree with much of what you above and yes I am sensitive, but that's what happens when its close to you 🙂

Wish cancer on someone and you're vilified (rightly so) but hey a bit of mental illness is ok to mock. The lack of understanding of depression is crazy, and yet it is believed to affect 1 in 4 of us during our lifetime. Its also the currently the biggest reason for work absence in the UK at the moment - Carlos is now part of that statistic!

I'll get off my soapbox now!

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426690#msg1426690 date=1321437359]
Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud!

 

[themn]

Krump- please be "Krump" again.

Please !

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426697#msg1426697 date=1321437788]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426690#msg1426690 date=1321437359]
Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud!
[/quote]

spion, this is a serious question, how can you tell you're suffering from depression rather than just being stuck in rut? this isn't me belittling you, I want to know if it's possible I'm suffering from depression as well.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47530.msg1426707#msg1426707 date=1321439074]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426697#msg1426697 date=1321437788]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426690#msg1426690 date=1321437359]
Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud!
[/quote]

spion, this is a serious question, how can you tell you're suffering from depression rather than just being stuck in rut? this isn't me belittling you, I want to know if it's possible I'm suffering from depression as well.
[/quote]

If think clever use of capital letters would cheer you up no end Neil and get you right out of that rut.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47530.msg1426710#msg1426710 date=1321439196]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47530.msg1426707#msg1426707 date=1321439074]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426697#msg1426697 date=1321437788]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426690#msg1426690 date=1321437359]
Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud!
[/quote]

spion, this is a serious question, how can you tell you're suffering from depression rather than just being stuck in rut? this isn't me belittling you, I want to know if it's possible I'm suffering from depression as well.
[/quote]

If think clever use of capital letters would cheer you up no end Neil and get you right out of that rut.
[/quote]

or push me deeper into it 😉

 

[Woland]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47530.msg1426707#msg1426707 date=1321439074]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426697#msg1426697 date=1321437788]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426690#msg1426690 date=1321437359]
Can I just say that I have suffered from / still do suffer with depression (though not nearly as deeply or in such swathes of time as in earlier years), but I'd like to laugh at him and call him silly names anyways.
[/quote]

Hahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud!
[/quote]

spion, this is a serious question, how can you tell you're suffering from depression rather than just being stuck in rut? this isn't me belittling you, I want to know if it's possible I'm suffering from depression as well.
[/quote]

This is the thing with diagnosis innit. It's not asking 'well if my arm is hurting, is it possibly broke?' because you'd go and x-ray that and get a definite answer. And with psychiatry being more art than science, different docs will tell you different things depending on their own bias.

My experience is that you can get out of a rut by changing the environment, changing what you do, maybe exercise a bit more, take a night class, go on holiday, etc. When the black dog of depression is upon you, none of those things will cure you. You need to change the way you think, and that takes a lot of effort. The things for getting out of a rut may help, but they won't sort out the fundamental rewire that you need to take on when you're depressed.

 

[Woland]

[quote author=themn link=topic=47530.msg1426700#msg1426700 date=1321438000]
Krump- please be "Krump" again.

Please !
[/quote]

But what if I seek high office? What then, Reeves?

 

[vantage]

This is all about context. Suffering from depression clearly isn't a laughing matter, but this guy is playing football for a living, has a loving family & more money than most of us could dream of. His career will last maybe another 6 years and then he can do what the fuck he wants, where he wants, when he wants.

I however, having grafted for 20 years, will probably have to work another 25 years just to be able to afford to retire on a half sensible pension, assuming the politicians & bankers haven't lost it all again.

And he's depresssed? About what exactly?

 

[Woland]

The point Spion was making and that I was alluding to is that you aren't depressed 'about' anything. You're head ain't right. The chemicals are all bongoed. The thunks needs repointing.

For the record, I very much doubt Tevez is depressed. I think you need to be slightly more sentient than a casio calculator watch to become complexly maligned.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426737#msg1426737 date=1321444045]
The point Spion was making and that I was alluding to is that you aren't depressed 'about' anything. You're head ain't right. The chemicals are all bongoed. The thunks needs repointing.

For the record, I very much doubt Tevez is depressed. I think you need to be slightly more sentient than a casio calculator watch to become complexly maligned.
[/quote]

Exactly. Its not one thing that makes someone depressed, its an ongoing thing which is both biological and psychological

 

[themn]

[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426727#msg1426727 date=1321441789]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47530.msg1426700#msg1426700 date=1321438000]
Krump- please be "Krump" again.

Please !
[/quote]

But what if I seek high office? What then, Reeves?
[/quote]

Drat !

*foiled*

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47530.msg1426744#msg1426744 date=1321445223]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426737#msg1426737 date=1321444045]
The point Spion was making and that I was alluding to is that you aren't depressed 'about' anything. You're head ain't right. The chemicals are all bongoed. The thunks needs repointing.

For the record, I very much doubt Tevez is depressed. I think you need to be slightly more sentient than a casio calculator watch to become complexly maligned.
[/quote]

Exactly. Its not one thing that makes someone depressed, its an ongoing thing which is both biological and psychological
[/quote]

I don't think that always applies. My pal was, and thankfully is again now, a happy and well-adjusted individual who enjoys life and shows zero sign of chemical or any other imbalance. For a while he was low enough for one or two of us to be quite worried about him, but it was most definitely a temporary reaction to his personal circumstances.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47530.msg1426748#msg1426748 date=1321445923]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47530.msg1426744#msg1426744 date=1321445223]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426737#msg1426737 date=1321444045]
The point Spion was making and that I was alluding to is that you aren't depressed 'about' anything. You're head ain't right. The chemicals are all bongoed. The thunks needs repointing.

For the record, I very much doubt Tevez is depressed. I think you need to be slightly more sentient than a casio calculator watch to become complexly maligned.
[/quote]

Exactly. Its not one thing that makes someone depressed, its an ongoing thing which is both biological and psychological
[/quote]

I don't think that always applies. My pal was, and thankfully is again now, a happy and well-adjusted individual who enjoys life and shows zero sign of chemical or any other imbalance. For a while he was low enough for one or two of us to be quite worried about him, but it was most definitely a temporary reaction to his personal circumstances.
[/quote]

Its the ongoing feeling of worthlessness that causes the biological change, and then its hard to pull yourself out.
Obviously certain situations can arise that provoke it, but the thing with depression is that tere isn't a hard and fast rule.

 

[Buddha]

I'm at work so will comment more at length later, but just to say good on yer Spion for speaking up...

Depression is a state of mind quite often unrelated to external success or trappings.

 

[Wizardry]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=47530.msg1426748#msg1426748 date=1321445923]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47530.msg1426744#msg1426744 date=1321445223]
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47530.msg1426737#msg1426737 date=1321444045]
The point Spion was making and that I was alluding to is that you aren't depressed 'about' anything. You're head ain't right. The chemicals are all bongoed. The thunks needs repointing.

For the record, I very much doubt Tevez is depressed. I think you need to be slightly more sentient than a casio calculator watch to become complexly maligned.
[/quote]

Exactly. Its not one thing that makes someone depressed, its an ongoing thing which is both biological and psychological
[/quote]

I don't think that always applies. My pal was, and thankfully is again now, a happy and well-adjusted individual who enjoys life and shows zero sign of chemical or any other imbalance. For a while he was low enough for one or two of us to be quite worried about him, but it was most definitely a temporary reaction to his personal circumstances.
[/quote]

I think that's a different type of depression, Jules. As others say, I'm no expert on the matter but have family who suffer from depression for nearly 15 years. Maybe there is something buried deeply in her childhood but, largely speaking, there's no "event" or "point" which has caused the depression. Some who have become close friends over the years and suffer from manic depression have never pin-pointed a "reason". It's a disease in every sense of the word which, due to it's nature of being hard to measure or identify, endures many skeptics.

I think Woland, amongst his humour, comes close to describing it. There's no rut or disappointment etc - it requires a complete change in mindset and approach to life. Earlier on I always suspected that it was somewhat dependant upon an individual being too consumed with their own issues and own problems - the blunt diagnosis being "get over yourself". Unfortunately it's a far deeper issue than this simplistic concept and, in some ways, reminds me of anorexia; the victim can recognize theirs a problem, the solution seems evident and yet, despite a desperate desire to heal, they're unable to recover.


Like Woland I genuinely doubt that Tevez is suffering from depression. He just seems to have no particular purpose or sense of direction.

 

[LarryHagman]

Tevez isn't depressed, he's just a cocksucking whore who can't get his own way. I hope I never see him play football again. Reading that people would still contemplate talking him for us makes me hate footy even more than I do already.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47530.msg1426672#msg1426672 date=1321435162]
The total lack of understanding of depression in this thread, its causes and also its consequences are to be frank, quite shocking.

Wonderfully glib comments that help maintain the stigma of mental illness, when in fact hundreds of millions of people are suffering from this around the world. It might be too simplistic for some of you to understand but in the hope that some of you get it - just because he earns hundreds of thousands of pounds a month to play a game we all love, does not leave him immune from depression.

He may well be a cunt, but if he is suffering from depression, then its not something I'd wish on anyone. But carry on and mock away.
[/quote]

I don't think there is genuinely a lack of understanding or empathy. Not on this forum anyway, which to me is made up of a pretty well rounded bunch of people.

It's very easy to take a topic and tread the moral high ground simply because something like depression has surfaced very visibly. I don't know how much value that has though. It's a football forum and the reaction to someone like Tevez claiming he has depression was a fairly predictable one and in mind makes no statement about the wider issue at hand.

I didn't see many, if any, rush to Rooney's defence when he got his hair transplants. For all we know he may have been suffering from genuine anxieties about his hair, which was impacting his life in some significant way as depression might.