Tevez (this years Barry thread?)

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=33378.msg866745#msg866745 date=1242301998]
For all his slimey credentials, Kia looks to be as sharp as a tack.
He's not going to be sloppy enough to leave a loop hole that would have him miss out 30 million great British pounds.

I wonder how much he bought Tevez and Mascherano for??
He'll turn nearly £50 million if the Tevez deal goes through with United.
Not too Xabi at all.
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Specially for Anita. 😉

 

[LadyRed]

Haha

 

[Vlads Quiff]

It is starting to smack of more than a bit of desperation by United.
They have been so conceited that they have not been arsed addressing the Tevez situation, possibly in the belief that Tevez would just roll over and agree to whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted.
A rift is now developing between Tevez's owner / adviser (and I think friend and confident) and United.
Now that things are coming to a head, Ronny could be off, Tevez has scored a couple of crucial gaols (off the bench note), and the fans are starting to revolt, and not least of all City , but mainly Us are linked with him, they all of a sudden want to talk turkey.
One side says they have had talks, the other says bollocks we have.
As has been said Kia might be a twat, but he is not stupid and will not like being taken for a fool. He would no doubt sell his own Granny for a fast buck, but United could have mis-judged how he sees this business.
Make no mistake Tevez will do what Joorabchian suggest he does.


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[keniget]

I really don't get all the knee-slapping going on with this Tevez situation.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

In what way?

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[Vlads Quiff]

Exclusive: No Real deal as Tevez snubs £40million offer from Madrid

By Ian Ladyman and Lee Clayton
Last updated at 7:43 AM on 15th May 2009


A formal offer for Carlos Tevez of £40million from Real Madrid has been rejected by the player. It proves how determined he is to stay in the Barclays Premier League.

Last night, his owner Kia Joorabchian told Sportsmail: ‘Carlos will decide on his future. Carlos Tevez will decide where Carlos Tevez will play.’
Carlos Tevez

Not to Madrid: Tevez has turned down a £40million offer from Real Madrid

The astonishing offer from Madrid — it came direct from the club and is not linked to the presidential elections — would also have included a massive financial package for the Argentina international, who scored for Manchester United at Wigan on Wednesday.


Joorabchian added: ‘This is not about money, it’s about where Carlos wants to play and his family. To turn down the chance of progressing talks of this nature shows this.’

The Champions League final against Barcelona in Rome is likely to be Tevez’s Manchester United swansong. The club are eager to continue talks on signing him but agreed a contract for his price back in 2007.

It is understood that United have broached the idea of lowering the fee but that has been rejected by the Tevez camp and Joorabchian refuses to enter talks on the price.

United signed former West Ham striker Tevez, 25, in a £9m loan deal. The contract included clauses which stated his final transfer price would rise by £25m, a combined fee of £34m.

Joorabchian, who was heading for Manchester last night, held talks with United deal-maker David Gill on Tuesday. Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea are interested in Tevez.

If true he really does have his mind set on staying in the Prem. If I were Carlos I know where I would be looking at heading. We do tick all the boxes.

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[TheBunnyman]

He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

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That was the point of the article though, it does not seem like money is the issue. If it was and the article is true, he would be off to Real Madrid. It seems more like a matter of principle now as far as United are concerned, and where Carlos would feel happiest playing.
If we could get him for £25m I think it would be a good great buy


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[DHSC]

Any way we can take him on loan for 2 seasons like what the Mancs did? What would we think of that? 10m for 2 seasons on loan.

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg867340#msg867340 date=1242380929]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

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That was the point of the article though, it does not seem like money is the issue. If it was and the article is true, he would be off to Real Madrid. It seems more like a matter of principle now as far as United are concerned, and where Carlos would feel happiest playing.
If we could get him for £25m I think it would be a good great buy


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Just out of interest Vlad where do you think he will fit into our team?

I think he's a great player but I really dont know how he'll fit in with our 4-2-3-1. I wouldnt want another Keane scenario next season.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg867340#msg867340 date=1242380929]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

[/quote]

That was the point of the article though, it does not seem like money is the issue. If it was and the article is true, he would be off to Real Madrid. It seems more like a matter of principle now as far as United are concerned, and where Carlos would feel happiest playing.
If we could get him for £25m I think it would be a good great buy


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I think that's too much money for what he is Vlad. For £25mill I'd want 25+goals a season. I'm not opposed to him coming here, but not for that much of our summer budget. We need to prioritise pace and creativity out wide before looking at these sort of players I think.

David Villa or Eto'o I'd have no qualms for this sort of money.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

[/quote]

I agree with you about him not being worth £30mill, but I do worry about Silva. He's very lightweight, and someone who like that extra time on the ball, I'm not sure how he'll cope with the Premier League. And even if he does take to it, it won't be immediate, he'll need a while to settle. At least Tevez would be able to slot right in.

 

[keniget]

Slot right into where though?

He has filled that left attacking role in the past, but would he want to come here in the knowledge that he's always going to be shifted about the attacking lineup with no real position to make his own?

 

[LadyRed]

I think he would tbh, I think he's the kind of player that just wants to play regularly at the top level. I think he'd be willing to work to make the position his own, like Kuyt has done on the right.

And he'd come knowing he would get some opportunities to play up top, probably as many, if not more so, than he does at Utd.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33378.msg867345#msg867345 date=1242381121]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg867340#msg867340 date=1242380929]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

[/quote]

That was the point of the article though, it does not seem like money is the issue. If it was and the article is true, he would be off to Real Madrid. It seems more like a matter of principle now as far as United are concerned, and where Carlos would feel happiest playing.
If we could get him for £25m I think it would be a good great buy


regards
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Just out of interest Vlad where do you think he will fit into our team?

I think he's a great player but I really dont know how he'll fit in with our 4-2-3-1. I wouldnt want another Keane scenario next season.
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Funnily enough Jan Molby was talking on Radio City this morning.
He said something along the lines of, Liverpool really need another top forward as a matter of priority. The problem that we have in signing someone of the right calibre is the Gerrard Torres formation. No one will come if the believe that is Rafa's preferred option, as it means sitting on the bench while those two are fit.

It has worked, but I think we need to drop it, and use it on occasions. It came about by accident in the first place. It will only work well with those two particular players, and I think it limits us.
I see Tevez playing up front with Torres, buzzing around just off him.


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[Hansern]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33378.msg867387#msg867387 date=1242383623]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

[/quote]

I agree with you about him not being worth £30mill, but I do worry about Silva. He's very lightweight, and someone who like that extra time on the ball, I'm not sure how he'll cope with the Premier League. And even if he does take to it, it won't be immediate, he'll need a while to settle. At least Tevez would be able to slot right in.
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Aren't we passed the lightweight thing though? There are so many players we "think" will struggle that don't. It's not that tough it seems. Modric, Arshavin have both taken the Premiership with storm.

 

[DHSC]

Funnily enough Jan Molby was talking on Radio City this morning.
He said something along the lines of, Liverpool really need another top forward as a matter of priority. The problem that we have in signing someone of the right calibre is the Gerrard Torres formation. No one will come if the believe that is Rafa's preferred option, as it means sitting on the bench while those two are fit.

It has worked, but I think we need to drop it, and use it on occasions. It came about by accident in the first place. It will only work well with those two particular players, and I think it limits us.
I see Tevez playing up front with Torres, buzzing around just off him.


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Point taken Vlad, but the thing is Gerrard and Torres are our 2 most influential players and I see the logic in Benitez's building the formation around him. This formation brings out the best in the two players and I dont know if a change in formation to accomodate Tevez will affect their form.

I really don't want next season's Tevez to be this season's Keane. Having said that, I do feel that Tevez is a better player than Keane, and has a better capacity to adapt.

 

[spider-Neil]

the partnership of torres and gerrard looks fearsome any striker who is thinking about joining but a striker with supreme confidence in themselves wouldn't let that put them off, for instance villa or eto'o would definately think they would be first choice regardless of the presense of torres.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33378.msg867387#msg867387 date=1242383623]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33378.msg867334#msg867334 date=1242380622]
He's not worth anything like the money being quoted in these articles, and we can't afford it. If we can get Silva for under £20m it would be insane to pay £30m for Tevez.

He'll go to City IMO. Or stay at United.

[/quote]

I agree with you about him not being worth £30mill, but I do worry about Silva. He's very lightweight, and someone who like that extra time on the ball, I'm not sure how he'll cope with the Premier League. And even if he does take to it, it won't be immediate, he'll need a while to settle. At least Tevez would be able to slot right in.
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I agree Silva is lightweight, and that carries its own risks. I don't agree he needs time on the ball. He's very very quick-thinking, and would help speed up our attacking play, especially in and around the box. Riera's biggest flaw for me is his slowness of thought, which is even more crippling than the slowness of his legs.

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg867407#msg867407 date=1242385167]
the partnership of torres and gerrard looks fearsome any striker who is thinking about joining but a striker with supreme confidence in themselves wouldn't let that put them off, for instance villa or eto'o would definately think they would be first choice regardless of the presense of torres.
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But what if he doesn't get in ahead of Gerrard and Torres? Then what?

We'll have an unhappy, expensive striker on the bench.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I suppose that if we did spend £25m on another striker even Rafa would know what he wanted him for

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[spider-Neil]

[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33378.msg867410#msg867410 date=1242385306]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg867407#msg867407 date=1242385167]
the partnership of torres and gerrard looks fearsome any striker who is thinking about joining but a striker with supreme confidence in themselves wouldn't let that put them off, for instance villa or eto'o would definately think they would be first choice regardless of the presense of torres.
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But what if he doesn't get in ahead of Gerrard and Torres? Then what?


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if they are good they will.

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg867413#msg867413 date=1242385441]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=33378.msg867410#msg867410 date=1242385306]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg867407#msg867407 date=1242385167]
the partnership of torres and gerrard looks fearsome any striker who is thinking about joining but a striker with supreme confidence in themselves wouldn't let that put them off, for instance villa or eto'o would definately think they would be first choice regardless of the presense of torres.
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But what if he doesn't get in ahead of Gerrard and Torres? Then what?


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if they are good they will.
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What if they're not Neil? Or if they dont have the mental fortitude? Another waste of money on the bench which could have been put to better use.

Better the devil than you know, actually.

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg867411#msg867411 date=1242385349]
I suppose that if we did spend £25m on another striker even Rafa would know what he wanted him for

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I don't know Vlads. Rafa was quite clueless with Keane.

Tevez would be a terrific signing IF Rafa has a plan on how to integrate him into the team. If not, it would be Keane MKII.

 

[cochyn]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33378.msg865317#msg865317 date=1242162742]
Every time I mentioned how Rafa has outspent everyone bar Chelsea in his time here I was referring to net spend. (And I've mentioned that a lot)

I don't really see what you're getting at though ?

Is it that you're saying if he gross spends 45 on shite, it's okay because it's only a 25m net spend on shite ? Cos that's teh sort of arguments I remember having.
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Sorry Ross but that's not the impression youu posts give, you gave the impression that you were referring only to the gross spend

 

[Hansern]

Ross, you know that we are quite low in this years net spend league table. Even Stoke spent more than us. After we sold Keane, we probably fell close to bottom.

 

[cochyn]

SIGN TEVEZ!!

 

[St.Benitez]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg867411#msg867411 date=1242385349]
I suppose that if we did spend £25m on another striker even Rafa would know what he wanted him for

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You'd hope so.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=cochyn link=topic=33378.msg867511#msg867511 date=1242398288]
SIGN TEVEZ!!
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*nods*

True that.

 

[gkmacca]

Just saw on one of the press reviews: The S*n has kindly enclosed a 'please stay' cut-out of Tevez (wearing a S*n hat) for manc fans to wear today. Pathetic rag.