Tevez (this years Barry thread?)

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg870967#msg870967 date=1242804965]
Benitez not being quoted as wanting Tevez is not an indication that he doesn't.

Perhaps he's learned from last year's Keane/ Barry debacles that sometimes public declarations of interest in other clubs' players is not always wise
[/quote]
and not showing he is eager to offload any top players, in fact playing a bluff game that he wants to keep one in particular.

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870992#msg870992 date=1242807468]
btw vlad, those contract details can't be true at all - he's not going to get a contract that will see him earning more than stevie g or torres.
[/quote]

the same thought did occur to me, that is why I qualified it with "if true" Wizz.
Though I would have thought Gerrard would be getting up to £140k a week by now, and if Torres is renegotiated he would be on around the same as Gerrard.
If we want the best we are going to have to compete in the wages department for whoever we sign.


regards

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg870993#msg870993 date=1242807498]
Bloody hell, if we got that much money to spend on a single player ... go out and get Benzema or Villa instead.


[/quote]

Villa perhaps (if we could find a place for him in the system which won't disrupt the good thing we have going up front). I would not pay that kind of money for Benzema.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg871015#msg871015 date=1242808107]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870992#msg870992 date=1242807468]
btw vlad, those contract details can't be true at all - he's not going to get a contract that will see him earning more than stevie g or torres.
[/quote]

the same thought did occur to me, that is why I qualified it with "if true" Wizz.
Though I would have thought Gerrard would be getting up to £140k a week by now, and if Torres is renegotiated he would be on around the same as Gerrard.
If we want the best we are going to have to compete in the wages department for whoever we sign.

regards
[/quote]

I remember that just recently Torres was offered a new contract extension and if my little grey cells are not failing me it was at just a little below Stevie's. Tevez would not be offered more than Torres never mind Stevie.

However if we are going to lash 25M on Tevez I would much rather we go for Ribery. IMO Tevez isn't worth 25M. Maybe 20M tops.

 

[Roopy]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33378.msg871022#msg871022 date=1242808338]
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg870993#msg870993 date=1242807498]
Bloody hell, if we got that much money to spend on a single player ... go out and get Benzema or Villa instead.


[/quote]

Villa perhaps (if we could find a place for him in the system which won't disrupt the good thing we have going up front). I would not pay that kind of money for Benzema.
[/quote]

I'd pay that much for Benzema... he has all the attributes to succeed in England.

Stick him in the Lyon side from a few seasons ago, and he'd be THE PLAYER everyone would want ... he is doing well in a Lyon team that is not as good as before.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33378.msg871029#msg871029 date=1242808645]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg871015#msg871015 date=1242808107]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870992#msg870992 date=1242807468]
btw vlad, those contract details can't be true at all - he's not going to get a contract that will see him earning more than stevie g or torres.
[/quote]

the same thought did occur to me, that is why I qualified it with "if true" Wizz.
Though I would have thought Gerrard would be getting up to £140k a week by now, and if Torres is renegotiated he would be on around the same as Gerrard.
If we want the best we are going to have to compete in the wages department for whoever we sign.

regards
[/quote]

I remember that just recently Torres was offered a new contract extension and if my little grey cells are not failing me it was at just a little below Stevie's. Tevez would not be offered more than Torres never mind Stevie.

However if we are going to lash 25M on Tevez I would much rather we go for Ribery. IMO Tevez isn't worth 25M. Maybe 20M tops.
[/quote]

Ribery will go for a lot more than that, and if anyone picked Tevez up for £20m that would be a bargain. It's not what you or me think players may or may not be worth depending on how much you like them , it's what the market says. The market will be affected this year by City desparately trying to persuade top players to sign and give them some credibility. Ribery it will be yet another bidding war, and as I said in reply to Glock, a bird (virtually) in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Also we need a wide man and a forward, it's not a matter of either or.

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg871034#msg871034 date=1242808828]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33378.msg871022#msg871022 date=1242808338]
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg870993#msg870993 date=1242807498]
Bloody hell, if we got that much money to spend on a single player ... go out and get Benzema or Villa instead.


[/quote]

Villa perhaps (if we could find a place for him in the system which won't disrupt the good thing we have going up front). I would not pay that kind of money for Benzema.
[/quote]

I'd pay that much for Benzema... he has all the attributes to succeed in England.

Stick him in the Lyon side from a few seasons ago, and he'd be THE PLAYER everyone would want ... he is doing well in a Lyon team that is not as good as before.


[/quote]

It only seemed like yesterday we were all saying that about Cisse.


regards

 

[Hansern]

Ribery and Benzema won't go for 25 mill. Both play for extremely rich clubs that doesn't have to sell. I think you'll be looking at 35 tbg. Ribery was bought for 20, and has improved greatly. Lyon has Aulas, he won't sell on the cheap.

Im with Vlad on this one. Let's get this deal wrapped up. Excellent player that will fit into our system. Good goal record, ability to change games and will only improve.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg871041#msg871041 date=1242809131]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33378.msg871029#msg871029 date=1242808645]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg871015#msg871015 date=1242808107]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870992#msg870992 date=1242807468]
btw vlad, those contract details can't be true at all - he's not going to get a contract that will see him earning more than stevie g or torres.
[/quote]

the same thought did occur to me, that is why I qualified it with "if true" Wizz.
Though I would have thought Gerrard would be getting up to £140k a week by now, and if Torres is renegotiated he would be on around the same as Gerrard.
If we want the best we are going to have to compete in the wages department for whoever we sign.

regards
[/quote]

I remember that just recently Torres was offered a new contract extension and if my little grey cells are not failing me it was at just a little below Stevie's. Tevez would not be offered more than Torres never mind Stevie.

However if we are going to lash 25M on Tevez I would much rather we go for Ribery. IMO Tevez isn't worth 25M. Maybe 20M tops.
[/quote]

Ribery will go for a lot more than that, and if anyone picked Tevez up for £20m that would be a bargain. It's not what you or me think players may or may not be worth depending on how much you like them , it's what the market says. The market will be affected this year by City desparately trying to persuade top players to sign and give them some credibility. Ribery it will be yet another bidding war, and as I said in reply to Glock, a bird (virtually) in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Also we need a wide man and a forward, it's not a matter of either or.

regards
[/quote]

Citeh are, to a certain extent, an irrelevance because I don't think most top players would go there. hence any bid they make would not necessarily be considered. I don't think they will be affecting the market too much at all, as everyone knows that although they can afford to pay silly money the rest of clubs can't (unless maybe United or RM are in for the same top top player and even then they won't be paying the silly money Citeh HAVE to offer).

Ribery - if we can't stretch then I would prefer Silva & someone like Zarate to Tevez. That wouldn't come to much more.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg871043#msg871043 date=1242809205]
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg871034#msg871034 date=1242808828]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33378.msg871022#msg871022 date=1242808338]
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg870993#msg870993 date=1242807498]
Bloody hell, if we got that much money to spend on a single player ... go out and get Benzema or Villa instead.

[/quote]

Villa perhaps (if we could find a place for him in the system which won't disrupt the good thing we have going up front). I would not pay that kind of money for Benzema.
[/quote]

I'd pay that much for Benzema... he has all the attributes to succeed in England.

Stick him in the Lyon side from a few seasons ago, and he'd be THE PLAYER everyone would want ... he is doing well in a Lyon team that is not as good as before.

[/quote]

It only seemed like yesterday we were all saying that about Cisse.

regards
[/quote]

Also a diamond he may be but we are looking for an emerald and a ruby.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

All this shit about signing another striker to play with Torres will lessen Gerrard's influence etc etc is kind of rubbish son. Lets get rid of those shit in your brain. Gerrard knows he can play anywhere and he can play behind two strikers if Rafael want him to. He played on the right and score goals too.

So we just have to gamble a bit and sign Eto'o. Play him where he suppose to play and stick Gerrard behind either of them(Eto'o and Torres). We'll be stronger up front as i'm sure we don't have to worry about scoring goals when Torres or Gerrard out.

 

[Roopy]

It only seemed like yesterday we were all saying that about Cisse.

Cisse wasn't too bad ... it was his attitude that let him down the most.

 

[Y1]

I dont think for one moment that Tevez will come because

1) The Mancs will not allow it. They will rather spit out the cash and not play him (which they can afford) than to have us buy him.
2) We cannot afford a 20+ million player.

 

[rage]

gerrard easily has it in him to play in the the front of a diamond midfield of 442 or in a 352. it all depends on the opposition.

we can easily accommodate another world class striker into our team without anyone suffering

 

[spider-Neil]

so one question, because torres is argubly (definately?) the best striker in the world we shouldn't approach another striker no matter how good?

 

[spider-Neil]

let's be clear on this, injuries are part and parcel of the game and next season if torres' hammies go that for me is no longer a valid excuse for a lack of a title challenge.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.
Also, Gerrard has openly admitted that his favourite/best position is centre midfield. He's never claimed to be a support striker regardless of how good he's done at it this season. He also never claimed to be a right winger and was excellent out there too.

Get us back in a 442 with two excellent strikers, Gerrard, and a class left wide player.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.
Also, Gerrard has openly admitted that his favourite/best position is centre midfield. He's never claimed to be a support striker regardless of how good he's done at it this season. He also never claimed to be a right winger and was excellent out there too.

Get us back in a 442 with two excellent strikers, Gerrard, and a class left wide player.
[/quote]

we'll be mad if we don't go for a proven striker this summer, mad.
'oh, gerrard and torres have only played (insert number of games'
'if only torres was fit all season'

the sky is blue
bees bee
players have injuries

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Roopy link=topic=33378.msg871067#msg871067 date=1242810505]

It only seemed like yesterday we were all saying that about Cisse.

Cisse wasn't too bad ... it was his attitude that let him down the most.
[/quote]

No, it was his ball control and lack of brain that let him down the most

regards

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg871081#msg871081 date=1242811387]
let's be clear on this, injuries are part and parcel of the game and next season if torres' hammies go that for me is no longer a valid excuse for a lack of a title challenge.
[/quote]

Spot on there. We have to be prepared. Its a gamble. Keane was a gamble and we blew it. Every player we sign is a gamble. So signing Eto'o is a must and without seeing him play for us we won't fucking know. He could be the difference he could be a flop. We just don't fucking know.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg871089#msg871089 date=1242811771]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.
Also, Gerrard has openly admitted that his favourite/best position is centre midfield. He's never claimed to be a support striker regardless of how good he's done at it this season. He also never claimed to be a right winger and was excellent out there too.

Get us back in a 442 with two excellent strikers, Gerrard, and a class left wide player.
[/quote]

we'll be mad if we don't go for a proven striker this summer, mad.
'oh, gerrard and torres have only played (insert number of games'
'if only torres was fit all season'

the sky is blue
bees bee
players have injuries
[/quote]
I agree

We would be as Mad as .....................

fill in the missing name/names

regards

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.
Also, Gerrard has openly admitted that his favourite/best position is centre midfield. He's never claimed to be a support striker regardless of how good he's done at it this season. He also never claimed to be a right winger and was excellent out there too.

Get us back in a 442 with two excellent strikers, Gerrard, and a class left wide player.
[/quote]

I don't see why ANYONE would want to change a winning formula (which it was if Gerrard + Torres had stayed fit) based on supposition !

What we need is a class wide player plus back up for Torres (in particular) and Gerrard (although Benayoun has done OK when called upon). Silva covers LW, RW and AM and is the type of player we need plus a back up striker.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.[/quote]

I didn't seay he won't be a 'danger'. Look at the sentence again, "Lessen Gerrard's influence".

What I mean by that is that if we play with two strikers, some of the responsibility of Xabi in the 4-2-3-1 will undoubtedly fall on ... Stevie's shoulders. Gerrard won't be as free to bomb forward if he has to worry about the middle with Mascherano, who as good as he is - is still not superman. Maybe if we play with two 'tracking' wingers like Kuyt and Riera it will be ok - but Gerrard has been devastating the last two years in a 'free central role'.

And you want us to buy Eto'o AND class left wide player? Fat chance.

 

[St.Benitez]

Prem proven: Check
Class: Check
Gives us options: Check
Fucks off Fergie: Double Check
Fits in our formation: Check
Best years ahead of him: Check

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg871089#msg871089 date=1242811771]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.
Also, Gerrard has openly admitted that his favourite/best position is centre midfield. He's never claimed to be a support striker regardless of how good he's done at it this season. He also never claimed to be a right winger and was excellent out there too.

Get us back in a 442 with two excellent strikers, Gerrard, and a class left wide player.
[/quote]

we'll be mad if we don't go for a proven striker this summer, mad.
'oh, gerrard and torres have only played (insert number of games'
'if only torres was fit all season'

the sky is blue
bees bee
players have injuries
[/quote]

Actually the sky is not blue - that's just how we perceive it to be 😉

Does that fact affect your claim re. injuries ? ;D

 

[Y1]

Is Saint Ben Rafa4PM? Where is Rafa4PM?

 

[spider-Neil]

I want rafa to go for a striker with the ability to carry the ball upfield, singlehandidly in needs be. someone who can play on the left of a front three and someone who can lead the line if torres gets injuried.
I'd sooner that player than a left winger because I am currently stuggling to think of a left winger of any quality (well, the quality that we need) we can land who would cost less than 30 mil. silva? not convinved by him and he isn't a goal threat.

 

[gkmacca]

It's the biggest challenge because if someone's good enough to sub for Torres he isn't going to WANT to sub for Torres. That's why I find much of the speculation on various names implausible. Unless there's an up and coming prospect or a short term 'just past his best' player, I can't see who'll not only fit the bill but do so.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871128#msg871128 date=1242813802]
It's the biggest challenge because if someone's good enough to sub for Torres he isn't going to WANT to sub for Torres. That's why I find much of the speculation on various names implausible. Unless there's an up and coming prospect or a short term 'just past his best' player, I can't see who'll not only fit the bill but do so.
[/quote]

in (insert top quality striker) mind they will feel they will be able to force there way into the first team, torres or no torres, gerrard or no gerrard and if they don't think this I don't want them and they shouldn't be approached.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg871112#msg871112 date=1242812972]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871085#msg871085 date=1242811572]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33378.msg870973#msg870973 date=1242805895]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg870971#msg870971 date=1242805441]
Stop wasting the fucking time signing Tevez for 28mil. We can get Eto'o for less than that amount.
[/quote]

So you want to change our formation to a 4-4-2 and lessen Gerrard's influence as he's even more dangerous in the 4-2-3-1?
[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Gerrard wont be a danger in a 442 charging forward is off their rocker. The team will be far more dangerous with two good strikers AND Gerrard bombing forward.[/quote]

I didn't seay he won't be a 'danger'. Look at the sentence again, "Lessen Gerrard's influence".

What I mean by that is that if we play with two strikers, some of the responsibility of Xabi in the 4-2-3-1 will undoubtedly fall on ... Stevie's shoulders. Gerrard won't be as free to bomb forward if he has to worry about the middle with Mascherano, who as good as he is - is still not superman. Maybe if we play with two 'tracking' wingers like Kuyt and Riera it will be ok - but Gerrard has been devastating the last two years in a 'free central role'.

And you want us to buy Eto'o AND class left wide player? Fat chance.
[/quote]

Gerrard is fantastic in any position he plays. Apart from on the left obv. So him playing anywhere and having a reduced effect is very much an unproven unknown, which I would question. If Stevie has to do a bit of tackling then like I give two fucks, he's one of our best tacklers anyway. And regards to playing him and Xabi in the middle? Fuck that apart from against cannon fodder.

Torres (gets broke a lot) + Gerrard is far less effective than Torres+Good Stiker+Gerrard+Good wide player.

I don't remember mentioning Eto'o LTW? Are you getting confused? I'd love him but seeing as he's scored a goal a game this season then he'd be well out of our budget, we might aswell be talking about Messi.