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I'd take Ribery over any other player just now, but since that is unlikely, Tevez would fit the bill rightly. We know he is less of a risk than Silva (who I just don't rate as a Liverpool player), and he can play in any of the three positions behind Torres, or spearhead the attack if Torres is missing.
Gill was on 5-live this morning saying they wanted to keep him, but he didn't sound convinced it would happen. Mascher could be the key factor in swinging this deal.
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I think Tevez would be rubbish at leading the line. What qualities does he possess IYO that make him any kind of replacement for an injured Torres?
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He's fantastic at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, and quick enough to play off the shoulder of the last defender. Didn't he lead the line with West Ham to great effect? Of course we would miss Torres, he doesn't do what Torres does, but he has the qualities to do a competent job.
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I don't think we could play 4231 with Tevez up front. He's struggle there in the same way Keane struggled. We'd have to use Tevez and Kuyt as a forward pairing, the same way United used Tevez and Rooney last season. Unfortunately Kuyt's not as good as Rooney, and neither of those players are clinical finishers.
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Maybe, maybe not. He'd be much better than Keane in a 4-2-3-1. He's much stronger. Even if we did have to mix up the formation without Torres, at least he would provide an effective threat up front.
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Keane is a better finisher than Tevez, and IMO is a more creative second striker. I see no reason why Tevez would be a success here when Keane wasn't - unless he's prepared to play LW. But there are other LWs I'd rather have for £25m.
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Keane wasn't a better finisher than Carra when he played for us- and wasn't too creative either. I disagree- and as I say, I think he could lead the line when Torres is missing- something Keane couldn't manage.
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Keane's goals-to-games record is better than Tevez's, despite generally playing in lesser teams. I think he struggled because he effectively got in the way of the Gerrard-Torres partnership. But so would Tevez if he played anywhere other than LW.
For £25m we could probably bid for Benzema, who would be a better fit for that line-leading role, and who is also a clinical finisher and a hugely creative passer.
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Now if we could get Benzema, Tevez can fuck off.
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To play where Doc? Please don't suggest LW - what a waste of Benzema's talent that would be.
Any other plans to link Benzema with Torres up front would mean moving Gerrard from the position that apparently suits him (and Torres best), evidenced by his improvement under Rafa of late.
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Is LW or RW a waste of Ronaldo's/Rooney's talents? In theory, the three behind Torres should all be support strikers, interchanging position with one another, and sometimes playing wide, sometimes picking the ball up centrally.
If Hiddink can ask Anelka to do that job, and Rooney and Ronaldo can do that sort of job for Utd, I'd have no qualms about asking Benzema to do it.
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Granted I probably haven't seen as much of Benzema as you by the sounds of it, but the comparison with Ronaldo (in particular) and Rooney seems a duff one to me. They've both got serious pace and directness - Benzema strikes me as more of a target-man, only suited to playing as a striker (sole or paired). Ronaldo started out as a winger and Rooney has always looked better off the front man as creativity, and not finishing, is his stronger asset.
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I haven't seen as much of him as Bunny, obv., but he's got "serious pace and directness", and creativity too. I see you decided not to mention Anelka's role with the Chavs.
Football is changing, and having versatile attacking players behind a striker is the way to go in our system- naturally he would also be able to cover for Torres, and potentially allow us to rest him- something we just can't do at the minute.
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If he's all that and more I'm all for signing him, but that's not the player I saw last season on a couple of occasions. He'd obviously be an excellent alternative/backup for Torres in the striking role as you say.
As for not mentioning Anelka, I don't think he strengthens your argument. More often than not he looks, to me, like a striker having to play wing forward and not enjoying it. Most of his goals this season came from being the striker in Drogba's absence at the start of the season (when Chelsea were flying under Scolari). Granted, he's had some good games of late, but on balance I'd hate to see him in our side in the LWF/RWF role.
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I'd take Ribery over any other player just now, but since that is unlikely, Tevez would fit the bill rightly. We know he is less of a risk than Silva (who I just don't rate as a Liverpool player), and he can play in any of the three positions behind Torres, or spearhead the attack if Torres is missing.
Gill was on 5-live this morning saying they wanted to keep him, but he didn't sound convinced it would happen. Mascher could be the key factor in swinging this deal.
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I think Tevez would be rubbish at leading the line. What qualities does he possess IYO that make him any kind of replacement for an injured Torres?
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He's fantastic at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, and quick enough to play off the shoulder of the last defender. Didn't he lead the line with West Ham to great effect? Of course we would miss Torres, he doesn't do what Torres does, but he has the qualities to do a competent job.
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I don't think we could play 4231 with Tevez up front. He's struggle there in the same way Keane struggled. We'd have to use Tevez and Kuyt as a forward pairing, the same way United used Tevez and Rooney last season. Unfortunately Kuyt's not as good as Rooney, and neither of those players are clinical finishers.
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Maybe, maybe not. He'd be much better than Keane in a 4-2-3-1. He's much stronger. Even if we did have to mix up the formation without Torres, at least he would provide an effective threat up front.
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Keane is a better finisher than Tevez, and IMO is a more creative second striker. I see no reason why Tevez would be a success here when Keane wasn't - unless he's prepared to play LW. But there are other LWs I'd rather have for £25m.
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Keane wasn't a better finisher than Carra when he played for us- and wasn't too creative either. I disagree- and as I say, I think he could lead the line when Torres is missing- something Keane couldn't manage.
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Keane's goals-to-games record is better than Tevez's, despite generally playing in lesser teams. I think he struggled because he effectively got in the way of the Gerrard-Torres partnership. But so would Tevez if he played anywhere other than LW.
For £25m we could probably bid for Benzema, who would be a better fit for that line-leading role, and who is also a clinical finisher and a hugely creative passer.
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Now if we could get Benzema, Tevez can fuck off.
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To play where Doc? Please don't suggest LW - what a waste of Benzema's talent that would be.
Any other plans to link Benzema with Torres up front would mean moving Gerrard from the position that apparently suits him (and Torres best), evidenced by his improvement under Rafa of late.
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Is LW or RW a waste of Ronaldo's/Rooney's talents? In theory, the three behind Torres should all be support strikers, interchanging position with one another, and sometimes playing wide, sometimes picking the ball up centrally.
If Hiddink can ask Anelka to do that job, and Rooney and Ronaldo can do that sort of job for Utd, I'd have no qualms about asking Benzema to do it.
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Granted I probably haven't seen as much of Benzema as you by the sounds of it, but the comparison with Ronaldo (in particular) and Rooney seems a duff one to me. They've both got serious pace and directness - Benzema strikes me as more of a target-man, only suited to playing as a striker (sole or paired). Ronaldo started out as a winger and Rooney has always looked better off the front man as creativity, and not finishing, is his stronger asset.
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I haven't seen as much of him as Bunny, obv., but he's got "serious pace and directness", and creativity too. I see you decided not to mention Anelka's role with the Chavs.
Football is changing, and having versatile attacking players behind a striker is the way to go in our system- naturally he would also be able to cover for Torres, and potentially allow us to rest him- something we just can't do at the minute.
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If he's all that and more I'm all for signing him, but that's not the player I saw last season on a couple of occasions. He'd obviously be an excellent alternative/backup for Torres in the striking role as you say.
As for not mentioning Anelka, I don't think he strengthens your argument. More often than not he looks, to me, like a striker having to play wing forward and not enjoying it. Most of his goals this season came from being the striker in Drogba's absence at the start of the season (when Chelsea were flying under Scolari). Granted, he's had some good games of late, but on balance I'd hate to see him in our side in the LWF/RWF role.
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I'd take Ribery over any other player just now, but since that is unlikely, Tevez would fit the bill rightly. We know he is less of a risk than Silva (who I just don't rate as a Liverpool player), and he can play in any of the three positions behind Torres, or spearhead the attack if Torres is missing.
Gill was on 5-live this morning saying they wanted to keep him, but he didn't sound convinced it would happen. Mascher could be the key factor in swinging this deal.
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I think Tevez would be rubbish at leading the line. What qualities does he possess IYO that make him any kind of replacement for an injured Torres?
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He's fantastic at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, and quick enough to play off the shoulder of the last defender. Didn't he lead the line with West Ham to great effect? Of course we would miss Torres, he doesn't do what Torres does, but he has the qualities to do a competent job.
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I don't think we could play 4231 with Tevez up front. He's struggle there in the same way Keane struggled. We'd have to use Tevez and Kuyt as a forward pairing, the same way United used Tevez and Rooney last season. Unfortunately Kuyt's not as good as Rooney, and neither of those players are clinical finishers.
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Maybe, maybe not. He'd be much better than Keane in a 4-2-3-1. He's much stronger. Even if we did have to mix up the formation without Torres, at least he would provide an effective threat up front.
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Keane is a better finisher than Tevez, and IMO is a more creative second striker. I see no reason why Tevez would be a success here when Keane wasn't - unless he's prepared to play LW. But there are other LWs I'd rather have for £25m.
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Keane wasn't a better finisher than Carra when he played for us- and wasn't too creative either. I disagree- and as I say, I think he could lead the line when Torres is missing- something Keane couldn't manage.
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Keane's goals-to-games record is better than Tevez's, despite generally playing in lesser teams. I think he struggled because he effectively got in the way of the Gerrard-Torres partnership. But so would Tevez if he played anywhere other than LW.
For £25m we could probably bid for Benzema, who would be a better fit for that line-leading role, and who is also a clinical finisher and a hugely creative passer.
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Now if we could get Benzema, Tevez can fuck off.
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To play where Doc? Please don't suggest LW - what a waste of Benzema's talent that would be.
Any other plans to link Benzema with Torres up front would mean moving Gerrard from the position that apparently suits him (and Torres best), evidenced by his improvement under Rafa of late.
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Is LW or RW a waste of Ronaldo's/Rooney's talents? In theory, the three behind Torres should all be support strikers, interchanging position with one another, and sometimes playing wide, sometimes picking the ball up centrally.
If Hiddink can ask Anelka to do that job, and Rooney and Ronaldo can do that sort of job for Utd, I'd have no qualms about asking Benzema to do it.
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Granted I probably haven't seen as much of Benzema as you by the sounds of it, but the comparison with Ronaldo (in particular) and Rooney seems a duff one to me. They've both got serious pace and directness - Benzema strikes me as more of a target-man, only suited to playing as a striker (sole or paired). Ronaldo started out as a winger and Rooney has always looked better off the front man as creativity, and not finishing, is his stronger asset.
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I haven't seen as much of him as Bunny, obv., but he's got "serious pace and directness", and creativity too. I see you decided not to mention Anelka's role with the Chavs.
Football is changing, and having versatile attacking players behind a striker is the way to go in our system- naturally he would also be able to cover for Torres, and potentially allow us to rest him- something we just can't do at the minute.
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If he's all that and more I'm all for signing him, but that's not the player I saw last season on a couple of occasions. He'd obviously be an excellent alternative/backup for Torres in the striking role as you say.
As for not mentioning Anelka, I don't think he strengthens your argument. More often than not he looks, to me, like a striker having to play wing forward and not enjoying it. Most of his goals this season came from being the striker in Drogba's absence at the start of the season (when Chelsea were flying under Scolari). Granted, he's had some good games of late, but on balance I'd hate to see him in our side in the LWF/RWF role.
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