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It would be fair to say I'm not his biggest fan on here. It's not that I dislike him, he'd puts his body on the line for us and is always up for the task. I just don't like how he has a habit of making a challenge when he doesn't need too and he can be a bit rash at times. Ya see, hardly scathing in my hate. I also appreciate the good work he does for us, i.e. the dirty work. He makes wonderful blocks, interceptions and battles for the entire 90 mins.

Now to my point, I used to think he was a bit clueless (prob too harsh a word) and Carragher used to hold his hand for the 90mins telling him where to stand etc. Pepe is also very vocal in his direction of his defenders. Does anyone think Skrtel is benefiting from Carragher being out of the side at the mo? He can play his own game and listen to one voice. Now, I'm not saying Carragher was directing him incorrectly or that Carragher and Pepe sang from different hymn sheets but perhaps Martin was bogged down by it all. Did he need his hand held after all?

Does anyone think this is a fair assessment or a just a wild assumption.
 
He's definately improved without Carra there.

I still don't rate him though as he makes to many mistakes doesn't win enough headers and can't pass for shit.

I rather we give Coates a sustained run in the team.
 
I thought he was brilliant today. Any criticism Skrtel has is wildly overblown on this site. He's a very good CB.

It's certainly not Carragher + 1 any more, IMO.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47602.msg1429629#msg1429629 date=1321850460]
He's definately improved without Carra there. Without Carra holding his hand and talking him through matches for the last 3 years he'd have been sold back to the Soviet Bloc years ago.

I still don't rate him though as he makes to many mistakes doesn't win enough headers and can't pass for shit. Please detail some of these "too many mistakes".

I rather we give Coates a sustained run in the team. Based on absolutely what?
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On what, Skrtel?

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. Not everyone performs like an Owen or Rooney from their debut; it takes some players time to mature, grow into their role, and become accustomed and comfortable playing with the players around them. Scott Parker, Lucas, Skrtel - all great examples.

It's why I like Glenjo. It's clear he is a really good footballer. Technically sound, athletic, good technique, comfortable on the ball. If he's got that to begin with, then why not work with him and improve his other areas? I've said it before but Ashley Cole was a horrendous full back when he first started at Arsenal, and Wenger had to resist the fans and media crying for him to be played at left wing for a long time. Cole had the fortune to grow into the role alongside Sol Campbell, Adams and other greats around him. Glenjo hasn't had that luxury - our back four has changed remarkably, and he's been unfortunate with injury. He is undoubtedly worth sticking with.

And Skrtel's the same. Look at him - he's a fucking monster. He's quick, he can win the ball on the ground nd in the air, and he's good on the ball. Why wouldn't you work with someone like that?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429637#msg1429637 date=1321852505]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47602.msg1429629#msg1429629 date=1321850460]
He's definately improved without Carra there. Without Carra holding his hand and talking him through matches for the last 3 years he'd have been sold back to the Soviet Bloc years ago.

I still don't rate him though as he makes to many mistakes doesn't win enough headers and can't pass for shit. Please detail some of these "too many mistakes".

I rather we give Coates a sustained run in the team. Based on absolutely what?
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In the majority of games I've watched him you can pick at least one spot where he dives in needlessly. He does it time after time and never seems to learn.

Everytime I watch him I'm just waiting for the next mistake.

Based on the fact that Skrtel has had 3 years and hasn't gotten to the level we need. We are still very soft when he comes to aerial threats and with his height I would give him a chance to bed in.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]
On what, Skrtel?

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. Not everyone performs like an Owen or Rooney from their debut; it takes some players time to mature, grow into their role, and become accustomed and comfortable playing with the players around them. Scott Parker, Lucas, Skrtel - all great examples.

It's why I like Glenjo. It's clear he is a really good footballer. Technically sound, athletic, good technique, comfortable on the ball. If he's got that to begin with, then why not work with him and improve his other areas? I've said it before but Ashley Cole was a horrendous full back when he first started at Arsenal, and Wenger had to resist the fans and media crying for him to be played at left wing for a long time. Cole had the fortune to grow into the role alongside Sol Campbell, Adams and other greats around him. Glenjo hasn't had that luxury - our back four has changed remarkably, and he's been unfortunate with injury. He is undoubtedly worth sticking with.

And Skrtel's the same. Look at him - he's a fucking monster. He's quick, he can win the ball on the ground nd in the air, and he's good on the ball. Why wouldn't you work with someone like that?
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Good post.

What's everyone's take on the assumption that Carragher held Skrtel's hand when they played together? Many said Carra had the play to organise the defense. I do think Carra was vital at times organizing us from the back but did he hold Srktels hand as much as was made out?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
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I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47602.msg1429647#msg1429647 date=1321854902]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
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I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
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And Carroll too. I know you think he's a good player but not suited to our playing style but like you said, I would give him time to become accustomed to the players in our team.
 
Re Skrtel, I think he's a good player but everytime I watch a match when he's playing I have a sense of dread that he will fuck things up.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47602.msg1429647#msg1429647 date=1321854902]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
[/quote]

I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
[/quote]

Downing's 28, has played in the premier league for 10 years, and never done anything of note. That's the difference.

And DHSC - I'm not completely writing Carroll off, but we're working off a different base when it comes to him. For a start, he's not a great footballer.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47602.msg1429647#msg1429647 date=1321854902]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
[/quote]

I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
[/quote]

Ha nice segway.

I think Ryan will claim that he has patience for the players he 'rates'.

Edit; oops quiffed my own thread.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=47602.msg1429652#msg1429652 date=1321855591]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47602.msg1429647#msg1429647 date=1321854902]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]
I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
[/quote]
I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
[/quote]
Ha nice segway.
I think Ryan will claim that he has patience for the players he 'rates'.
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Johnson, Skrtel, Lucas, - all young, good players with gret potential.

Stewart Downing - 28 (i think), average, and not going to get any better.
 
Why not Carroll?

I like Carroll and want him to succeed. I have a feeling he will too, provided he works hard.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429653#msg1429653 date=1321855816]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=47602.msg1429652#msg1429652 date=1321855591]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47602.msg1429647#msg1429647 date=1321854902]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]
I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. \
[/quote]
I hope you follow this with Downing ... Let's give him a few more games before we (not you, just in general due to fee and lack of product) list him as one of our worst buys ever.
[/quote]
Ha nice segway.
I think Ryan will claim that he has patience for the players he 'rates'.
[/quote]

Johnson, Skrtel, Lucas, - all young, good players with gret potential.

Stewart Downing - 28 (i think), average, and not going to get any better.
[/quote]

Glen McLeod Cooper Johnson (born 23 August 1984)
Stewart Downing (born 22 July 1984)

Just saying...
 
Seems to me that Skrtel has trouble playing on the left hand side alongside Carra who has lost a yard or twelve of pace. Alongside Agger he is a much better CB and the variety those two give us at the back helps immensely. Both are capable of strolling out of defence with it and the opposition know it.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47602.msg1429641#msg1429641 date=1321853019]
On what, Skrtel?

I've rated and defended him on here since day one David. He's a good player. There is an unbelievable lack of patience when it comes to fans judgement on players these days. Not everyone performs like an Owen or Rooney from their debut; it takes some players time to mature, grow into their role, and become accustomed and comfortable playing with the players around them. Scott Parker, Lucas, Skrtel - all great examples.

It's why I like Glenjo. It's clear he is a really good footballer. Technically sound, athletic, good technique, comfortable on the ball. If he's got that to begin with, then why not work with him and improve his other areas? I've said it before but Ashley Cole was a horrendous full back when he first started at Arsenal, and Wenger had to resist the fans and media crying for him to be played at left wing for a long time. Cole had the fortune to grow into the role alongside Sol Campbell, Adams and other greats around him. Glenjo hasn't had that luxury - our back four has changed remarkably, and he's been unfortunate with injury. He is undoubtedly worth sticking with.

And Skrtel's the same. Look at him - he's a fucking monster. He's quick, he can win the ball on the ground nd in the air, and he's good on the ball. Why wouldn't you work with someone like that?
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Perfectly put. I was actually impressed with his aerial presence yesterday, he launched himself at everything and generally won it and cleared it.
 
Im with Ryan.
I think Skrtel is a beast and has out Agger'd Agger this season.

Ditto Johnson. I know there is mad calls for Kelly to start but im quite happy to stick with Johnson.
 
He's had a good season so far. Our goals against column isn't bad at all considering the fuck up away at Spurs.
 
I said something like this a few weeks ago Dave when skrtel was getting a bit of bashing, and agger is better blah blah blah

I think skrtel is destined to be underrated by people who like all action carra or elegant agger
 
As Squiggles said earlier there's probably been a bit to much criticism of Skrtel at times but on the other hand there's often over-the-top-praise of him as well.

*looks at Oncy's post again*
 
I'm very much in the ILD booth when it comes to Skrtel.

I've failed to see the talent many other has claimed he's possessed all along. I've failed to address the one area where he's great in. He's got a lot of decent qualities - his passing actually beeing one - but none has ever really stood out. Combined with the fact that he's often very rash and often finding himself out of position has made me want us to get rid. He has costed us a few goals this Season already due to his questionable positioning and lack of reading of the game.

That said however he has impressed me over the past few games and I'm willing to admit I've been wrong all along if he maintains that level of performance.

Poster who claims he's a great talent however certainly rates footballers in a different way than me. Not saying who's right or wrong just saying we see things differently is all.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=47602.msg1429770#msg1429770 date=1321874459]
As Squiggles said earlier there's probably been a bit to much criticism of Skrtel at times but on the other hand there's often over-the-top-praise of him as well.

*looks at Oncy's post again*
[/quote]There is NEVER over the top praise of Skrtel. He is one of the least regarded players in our team.
And im not getting into this shit with you (a dane) about the merits of Skrtel vs Agger (a dane)
It makes me HATE you. I dont have time for hatred.
So like whatever you say man.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47602.msg1429777#msg1429777 date=1321874788]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=47602.msg1429770#msg1429770 date=1321874459]
As Squiggles said earlier there's probably been a bit to much criticism of Skrtel at times but on the other hand there's often over-the-top-praise of him as well.

*looks at Oncy's post again*
[/quote]There is NEVER over the top praise of Skrtel. He is one of the least regarded players in our team.
And im not getting into this shit with you (a dane) about the merits of Skrtel vs Agger (a dane)
It makes me HATE you. I dont have time for hatred.
So like whatever you say man.
[/quote]
Hate is a rather strong word don't you think?

You are a strange charachter Oncy. You seem nice and mellow most days but somehow I really get to you? I doesn't mean to btw but hey you can't please them all.

You are going way over the top with your praise of Skrtel. In my opinion. It's only an opinion mind so don't let it wear you down.
 
Skrtel has looked dodgy cos he and Carra just don't seem to gel now. Maybe Carra's pace (lack of now) has caused this, I dunno. He's no world beater but not as bad as a lot of people would have you believe.....
 
It's frustration KHL, you are ridiculously tainted when it comes to this subject. Skrtel has cost us a few goals this season? When? Agger fell over and injured himself for Spurs' goal, he gave away the freekick that everyone thought Drogba had scored yesterday, Skrtel gave away the freekick for the header. It happens, they're defenders, they have to make challenges and by and large win more than they lose, but they're not supermen. No defender is infallible, even 'Super' Daniel Agger.
 
[quote author=vantage link=topic=47602.msg1429786#msg1429786 date=1321875194]
Skrtel has looked dodgy cos he and Carra just don't seem to gel now. Maybe Carra's pace (lack of now) has caused this, I dunno. He's no world beater but not as bad as a lot of people would have you believe.....
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They're too similar and I've said it for years. Generally you have a robust tackler at the back who gets stuck in, and you have a defender that plays as a stopper and reads the play. Both Agger and Skrtel have qualities on both sides of the coin, one is probably stronger than the other at each and that's why they seem (so far) to compliment one another. They're both good and still relatively young defenders, which is why they've both still got things that need ironing out. Carragher didn't become an accomplished, settled centre back until he was about 27.

It's when people start bashing Skrtel, as a means to cream over Agger, that I get fucked off. It's pointless, stupid and baseless.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=47602.msg1429780#msg1429780 date=1321874927]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47602.msg1429777#msg1429777 date=1321874788]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=47602.msg1429770#msg1429770 date=1321874459]
As Squiggles said earlier there's probably been a bit to much criticism of Skrtel at times but on the other hand there's often over-the-top-praise of him as well.

*looks at Oncy's post again*
[/quote]There is NEVER over the top praise of Skrtel. He is one of the least regarded players in our team.
And im not getting into this shit with you (a dane) about the merits of Skrtel vs Agger (a dane)
It makes me HATE you. I dont have time for hatred.
So like whatever you say man.
[/quote]
Hate is a rather strong word don't you think?

You are a strange charachter Oncy. You seem nice and mellow most days but somehow I really get to you? I doesn't mean to btw but hey you can't please them all.

You are going way over the top with your praise of Skrtel. In my opinion. It's only an opinion mind so don't let it wear you down.
[/quote]You dont get to me!
I think youre a nice boy.
 
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