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Mr Moominpoops
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I had a dream last night that a woman was licking my neck in a monastery and we were attacked by ninjas in orange jumpsuits.
Swingers & swinging...
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[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588805#msg588805 date=1212666499]
I had a dream last night that a woman was licking my neck in a monastery and we were attacked by ninjas in orange jumpsuits.
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Racist!
I had a dream last night that a woman was licking my neck in a monastery and we were attacked by ninjas in orange jumpsuits.
[/quote]
Racist!
Thrushy sweetheart, you said it yourself a while ago in one of your posts. You were getting torn apart as usual and you said you would stay away for a while. You later mentioned that it was due to depression. I genuinely felt sorry for you. But you bring it on yourself.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588449#msg588449 date=1212622734]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588447#msg588447 date=1212622360]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?
Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?
I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.
As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?
I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.
I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.
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Absofukinlutely.
And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.
So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
[/quote]
So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?
Are you taking the piss or what ?
Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.
Oncy:
With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
Nobody is arguing against that.
My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.
I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.
[/quote]
That's your definition. We don't all have to follow your rules.
Your definition of racial harassment differs from mine and the chaps over in Ontario on the link I posted. It's there in black and white. It's clear. I find it offensive and it's regarding my race. End of.
What you're doing is telling me i'm not allowed to be offended by it. I am. It's regarding my race. It's racist. Maybe I should move to Ontario.
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So you can't mention the fact that your Indian when making a joke?
Wtf?
Thats just nuts.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588447#msg588447 date=1212622360]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588440#msg588440 date=1212621758]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg588436#msg588436 date=1212621305]
Onion bahji throwing is a racial slur ?
Isn't that taking things to the absolute extreme ?
I genuinely believe that it's laughable to suggest it.
As for the quote you put there, don't you think the element of subjectivity that's introduced in it makes the defintion completely unworkable ?
I prefer to stick with the UNHCR definition, because it's quite rigid and is easily applied. Much like their definition of what a refugee is. Their interpretation is excellent. While they do everything in their power for refugees they implicitly acknowledge what a refugee isn't. I think it's the same here with their definition of racism.
I still don't see how suggesting you might throw an onion bhaji puts you down.
[/quote]
Absofukinlutely.
And that's the bottom line. If I say something to someone of another race and they find it offensive i'd accept that and apologise. But purely because you're not happy with my justification of why it's offensive, it's not good enough to be classed as racist? Says who? Who's to judge? I gave you my explanation, one which my friends and colleagues can associate with yet because it doesn't match your criteria it's not racist. I'll say it again that all my work colleagues found it offensive. I'm sorry mate. But we're not all wrong.
So in future if I make a wise crack about the Irish that you or someone takes offence to, maybe I should just carry on if i'm not happy with their explanation as to why it's offensive. On second thoughts, i'd rather not.
[/quote]
So if someone suggested I'd throw a potato in self defence I should get offended ?
Are you taking the piss or what ?
Look, at no stage tonight have you showed me how Roger is treating you differently from anybody else, how onion bahji throwing is a put down and in some way infers you're inferior to any other group of people. It's a crude reference to the fact that you're of Indian origin. That's all. Referring to somebody as being Indian isn't racist. Inferring that because they're Indian they're inferior is.
Oncy:
With regard to this :
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
Nobody is arguing against that.
My initial point was that the leap from something being offensive to it being racist is one that hasn't been shown here.
I hate seeing people level accusations of racism when they are completely unfounded.
[/quote]
That's your definition. We don't all have to follow your rules.
Your definition of racial harassment differs from mine and the chaps over in Ontario on the link I posted. It's there in black and white. It's clear. I find it offensive and it's regarding my race. End of.
What you're doing is telling me i'm not allowed to be offended by it. I am. It's regarding my race. It's racist. Maybe I should move to Ontario.
[/quote]
So you can't mention the fact that your Indian when making a joke?
Wtf?
Thats just nuts.
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Mr Moominpoops
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Noooooo... the dinner!!!
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=24077.msg588808#msg588808 date=1212666607]
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
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RACIST!
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
[/quote]
RACIST!
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg588470#msg588470 date=1212637282]
Gents,
With all due respect, I don't think that it's for any of us to tell anybody what is or is not racist to them.
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Yes you can as it is defined by law.
What you cannot tell someone is what they find offensive.
Gents,
With all due respect, I don't think that it's for any of us to tell anybody what is or is not racist to them.
[/quote]
Yes you can as it is defined by law.
What you cannot tell someone is what they find offensive.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588526#msg588526 date=1212651114]
Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.
[/quote]
He apologised.
What more do you want?
Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.
[/quote]
He apologised.
What more do you want?
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Mr Moominpoops
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extra sachets of soy sauce?
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588818#msg588818 date=1212667345]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588526#msg588526 date=1212651114]
Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.
[/quote]
He apologised.
What more do you want?
[/quote]
fuk me. Yes he apologised and thats cool. But read his posts before you go wading in mate. Look at the shit he spouts at me and you think i wont respond? Read his last few posts and come back to me please.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588526#msg588526 date=1212651114]
Thrushy, get a life. You really are the forum clown.
[/quote]
He apologised.
What more do you want?
[/quote]
fuk me. Yes he apologised and thats cool. But read his posts before you go wading in mate. Look at the shit he spouts at me and you think i wont respond? Read his last few posts and come back to me please.
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=24077.msg588808#msg588808 date=1212666607]
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
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Only with permission from the person officiating the ceremony and as long as it doesn't encourage rodents.
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
[/quote]
Only with permission from the person officiating the ceremony and as long as it doesn't encourage rodents.
Can we get back to swinging?
I'd love to try it but want to leave my wife at home when I do.
I'd love to try it but want to leave my wife at home when I do.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588799#msg588799 date=1212666326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]
Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]
Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg588780#msg588780 date=1212665538]
Is this the thread where I can abuse the Irish? ;D
[/quote]
Be my guest you English cnut! ;D
Is this the thread where I can abuse the Irish? ;D
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Be my guest you English cnut! ;D
[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=24077.msg588785#msg588785 date=1212665707]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg588780#msg588780 date=1212665538]
Is this the thread where I can abuse the Irish? ;D
[/quote]
Yes Spion.
Or we could even get regional.
You could call Ross a Jackeen or Paddy a shitkicker or DB a bogger.
[/quote]
There are three bogs on my road at home!
I love the bog best place for a tan.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg588780#msg588780 date=1212665538]
Is this the thread where I can abuse the Irish? ;D
[/quote]
Yes Spion.
Or we could even get regional.
You could call Ross a Jackeen or Paddy a shitkicker or DB a bogger.
[/quote]
There are three bogs on my road at home!
I love the bog best place for a tan.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=24077.msg588851#msg588851 date=1212669282]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
[/quote]
what if he came from the UK?
[/quote]
he was kidding my friend.
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
[/quote]
what if he came from the UK?
[/quote]
he was kidding my friend.
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Mr Moominpoops
Guest
No Foureyes is ok, he should stay.
Roger too, although he's a mattoid.
Roger too, although he's a mattoid.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
I take it that was directed at me? My "Applause" wasn't a part in any crusade to prove foureyes wrong. The applause was directed to Rosco, what he wrote was an articulate, eloquent, perfectly argued piece of material. I agreed with many of his points but I was applauding his ability to debate in a fluid coherent fashion. Many others commented on Ross's well written post.
I do think Foureyes has every right to his opinion and if he was offended, well then that’s fair enough. I do agree with what Ross said about the “onion bahji†comment not being racist. If someone called me a Spud thrower, I wouldn’t take offence, that’s just me I suppose. Roger can be a tactless, abrupt fool at times, Foureyes should just move on forget about the whole debacle.
Who knew swinging could cause such a stir. I’m scarred for life now at thought of it. Ha!
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
I take it that was directed at me? My "Applause" wasn't a part in any crusade to prove foureyes wrong. The applause was directed to Rosco, what he wrote was an articulate, eloquent, perfectly argued piece of material. I agreed with many of his points but I was applauding his ability to debate in a fluid coherent fashion. Many others commented on Ross's well written post.
I do think Foureyes has every right to his opinion and if he was offended, well then that’s fair enough. I do agree with what Ross said about the “onion bahji†comment not being racist. If someone called me a Spud thrower, I wouldn’t take offence, that’s just me I suppose. Roger can be a tactless, abrupt fool at times, Foureyes should just move on forget about the whole debacle.
Who knew swinging could cause such a stir. I’m scarred for life now at thought of it. Ha!
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588857#msg588857 date=1212669619]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=24077.msg588851#msg588851 date=1212669282]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
[/quote]
what if he came from the UK?
[/quote]
he was kidding my friend.
[/quote]
if u say so
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=24077.msg588851#msg588851 date=1212669282]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
[/quote]
what if he came from the UK?
[/quote]
he was kidding my friend.
[/quote]
if u say so
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588834#msg588834 date=1212668267]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588799#msg588799 date=1212666326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]
Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
[/quote]
*Want's to applause Oncy's post*
Haha.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588799#msg588799 date=1212666326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]
Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
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*Want's to applause Oncy's post*
Haha.
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[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=24077.msg588808#msg588808 date=1212666607]
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
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its a lot better than throwing pie and mash at an english one 😱
as for those onion bargees, make a right mess of your suit
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definitely not cooked rice mate, fried rice or congee rice. messy.
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=24077.msg588808#msg588808 date=1212666607]
Is it ok to throw rice at a chinese wedding?
[/quote]
its a lot better than throwing pie and mash at an english one 😱
as for those onion bargees, make a right mess of your suit
[/quote]
definitely not cooked rice mate, fried rice or congee rice. messy.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588834#msg588834 date=1212668267]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588799#msg588799 date=1212666326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
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Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
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Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
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very very good post. Have a cigar young man.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg588799#msg588799 date=1212666326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=24077.msg588439#msg588439 date=1212621726]
To be fair it doesnt matter wether or not anyone finds it offensive.
If the person it was aimed at does, is that not enough?
Lots of people get offended by different things, and the decent thing to do is respect that regardless of how ill it sits isnt it?
I can understand both viewpoints, what i dont understand is posters viewing this as a crusade to prove the lad wrong (applause etc).
It offended him, and that should be enough for Rog to have apologised. Thats what a civilized person would do.
[/quote]
Ha ha come on Andy,
there are lots of posters on here that offend others on a regular basis and its let slide because either the poster is funny or nobody else finds offense or cares......
You can't have it both ways.
[/quote]
Fuck you Patrick.
From time to time i have offended a poster or two and when that has been made apparant to me i have apologised.
In addition, i have often told a poster to pack it in if they are winding another poster up. I try to be fair and even handed in all my dealings on here, and would only ask that other posters do the same and treat their fellow posters with a smidge of respect.
Yes people get offended by the funniest things, and i think people by now know me well enough to know that i dont get offended by anything at all, i never have, it just doesnt bother me. But that isnt to suggest for one minute that i would stand by and let someone feel persecuted on here or in life.
I dont find the original statement very condescending (incidentally the arguement that is raging between Rosco and Foureyes has nothing to do with the original statement, but more to do with the definitions of Racism) and i am quite suprised that a poster as laid back as foureyes took offence to it (especially given the source) but.. as has been said by him a million times with no one seemingly listening, he doesnt really care about it all that much anymore, he wanted to tell Rog that he knew what he was up to (or felt he was) and would have left it at that, but a myriad of people have rounded on him without ANY justification in my opinion.
I'll give you an example of what i am talking about here:
Peter (and probably Michael) is offended STRONGLY by the word Mong. Now to me that seems fucking daft, or at least it did untill i got to know him and understand why he feels so strongly about it.
I'm not going to lie and say that it now holds that brevity with me, as it doesnt, but i have on more than one occasion asked a poster to remove a post with that word in it, you know why? Cos its the right fucking thing to do.
Now this is basically the same situation, Foureyes is offended by something innoffensive in my/your eyes, but that doesnt or at least shouldnt lessen the way he feels about it, or be swept under the carpet by all insundry. I havnt lived Peters life, i dont know how it must feel, and the same applies to Foureyes here.
Now Rosco to his credit is trying to explain to foureyes that although he may feel hurt and abused by this slur, it isnt racist, and he's right it isnt. But that isnt the issue. The issue is that someone felt offended and not only was no quick apology forthcoming, worse and nastier Jibes followed.
And what has happened since is one of the saddest things i think i have ever witnessed on this site.
Ultimately i can see both sides, and i think Roger is right in that Foureyes should let it go, but lets say that it was Peter in the same situation, would posters such as yourself and Paddy be whoopin and a hollerin everytime Rosco makes a point counter to the original argument that the word Mong is offensive? No you fucking would not.
Like it or not something said on this forum that i feel i have an obligation towards has upset a poster, and i will always.....would always hope that the moral good in us all would come to the fore in such times. Rog would have said 'Im sorry it was a dumb thing to say' and Rosco and Foureyes would have continued their debate about what is racist and what isnt.
And i wouldnt be left with such an unsavoury taste in my mouth.
PS-Bless Moom and Spion for at least trying to lighten the fucking mood.
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very very good post. Have a cigar young man.
