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this thread should be locked and binned to save any more hassle and dischord. Followed by Rog being removed!!!!!
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actually, i have found the whole thread guite interesting an insightful with regards to people's attitudes towards not only racism but the swinging thing too. I going to play devil's advocate here and suggest there is a certain degree of lack of understanding with the whole racism issue. Its fascinating.
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Sorry mate I'm not having that.
If 99% of well educated people disagree with you it should tell you something.
F8ck me your making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Don't have it then DB, that's entirely up to you. All i'm saying is that as Rosco said, maybe it's hard to appreciate unless your on the receiving end of it.
And as for the comment about 99% of people, that's just silly. I said only yesterday that every one of the black and asian guys I work with yesterday found it out of order.
I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill. I just find it interesting.
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We've agreed with you that it was out of order, what it wasn't was racism.
And as for not being on the end of it, have a read through the comments made on this thread about the Irish.
Now to bring issues of nationalism into the sphere of racism you have to construe racism as being a lot wider than the term itself suggests. But that's what you've done, and it's what I would have to do if I was to declare any of the anti-Irish comments on here as racist.
So using the broad definition of racism as laid out in Article 1 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination :
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm
"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."
So can you tell me where your human rights and fundamental freedoms have been infringed ?
Because even if I was to get upset about being called a "spudmuncher", which incidentally has a lot more history behind it than an "onion bahji thrower"., I don't think I could ever argue my human rights or fundamental freedoms have been infringed. (While we were ruled by them cunts across the water they made us grow nothing but potatoes, and when the potato blight set in a famine hit Ireland resulting in the death of an estimated one million people.)
You mentioned the monkey chants in another post too, do you not think given the long history behind it (Apartheid, US Civil Rights movement, slavery etc. etc.) it means there's a whole lot more meaning loaded into a monkey chant towards a black footballer ?
"Onion bahji thrower" doesn't carry any such connotations does it ?
Arguably "Spudmuncher" does because of the history behind it and how the Irish were treated by the English. But I wouldn't ever consider somebody calling me it as a form of racism. It's a crude stereotype, no more no less. It's nowhere near on a par with a monkey chant.
I've been working in the area of human rights for the best part of the last two years Foureyes, mainly immigration and asylum. I've dealt with cases involving non-arab Darfurians, now if you want to talk about racism that's a good place to start. The problem for people like those who have genuinely suffered is the hoops they have to jump through to be granted refugee status. The reason why they have to jump through the hoops is because there are a huge amount of completely false claims. Nothing is more frustrating than dealing with a case when you know legally the person simply can't be a refugee or because they are stretching the bounds of credibility with their story (which is being generous).
So I'm rambling. But the point is that crying wolf in situations like this just makes it harder for genuine cases of racism to get recognised.
DB made the point that it's another example of a politically correct world gone mad, and I agree with him.
So to recap, what was said was you throwing a well known national dish in self defence. You've called Roger a racist because of it.
I think that's a complete overreaction and a bit silly to be honest.
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**passes out in shock**
Great post by the way.
